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Is wraith in a stronger spot than ghostface now?
I play them both and it feels like wraith has more in his basekit and add on potential compared to ghostface at this point. Ghostface doesn't have mobility or many add ons that do anything. And I play ghostface more but am noticing that his gameplay style hasn't been as strong as maybe a year ago.
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I really doubt Ghostface is weaker than wraith. Honestly it could be the case where there has been an indirect buff/nerf to them (primarily perks used with either of them for you that has been changed enough to make one weaker or stronger).
Wraith is stronger than he was a year ago though
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Hear me out;
Wraith with a purple/green add on vs.
Ghostface with a purple/green add on
against solo queues. I think wraith definitely gets more add on value and has a better chance of 4king.
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Potentially, yeah. High mobility combined with no cooldown and full invisibility at the range, giving Wraith a serious edge on outdoor maps, is really good, though I have a feeling people are still going to call him trash/low-tier.
Hit and run with his current power seems pretty damn good, but I also haven't seen hit and run used against good players and haven't seen its true counterplay, so I don't entirely know how strong it actually is. However, you can use reliable one-shot down perks like MYC, devour + undying, HG, dragons grip (meh), etc, to get super fast downs.
It honestly depends on how good hit and run actually is against good players. If hit and run is actually a good strat, then yeah, Wraith is 100% better than Ghostface. Having on-command high speed, stealth, and invisibility without any cooldown gives him quite the edge over a lot of killers, honestly.
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I think after the windstorm base wraith will be better. Ghostface can get looped easily and can’t traverse the map as fast
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With his new buff coming making him 150% while cloaked. He will be a million times better than ghostface
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Not yet. After his windstorm basekit? Absolutely.
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Nah, I think Ghostface's instadowns (however situational they may be) and instant undetectable on command give him the edge over Wraith. Of course, only with 1-2 cooldown add-ons. But the distance between the two has definitely shrunk a lot - I think Wraith is at Demo's level or maybe a bit higher now. Then again, I'd put Demo in C tier so maybe that isn't the highest compliment - but he's certainly not bad anymore.
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After the ptb i say yes.
both of their strongest play styles is hit and run but wraith now has really good mobility.
He can also use his uncloak speed boost at small to medium loops and most of the time get a hit.
Really the only 2 things ghostface has over wraith is attacking faster from stealth and being able to expose survivors but i think wraith is still better since his power is always available and as said can be used in a chase. Also most of the time unless they are at a pallet you can just uncloak behind something and hit them before they reach anything with your speed.
edit: also wraith can now pretty much do well on any map unlike Ghost face who suffers in open maps.
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I think Wraith will be better on maps that Ghostface really suffers on due to lack of LoS blockers, like Blood Lodge.
But Ghostface has an instadown and can immediately attack out of undetectable so on maps like Hawkins Ghostface will still be better.
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An interesting interaction otz showed on the ptb would be to use the purple addon that allows you to break pallets quickly and the one that auto takes you out of stealth. The devs bugfixed it so when wraith breaks a pallet with the common he still gets the speedboost from the uncloak so he can be right on your ass in like seconds.
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Actually, when the changes on the ptb notes first came out i made a post talking about good addons now that windstorm is no longer needed every game and that is the first one i talked about.
Im already using it on current wraith it is just so fun to use, with mobility on top of it im sure it will become strong and more common.
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Im also interested in how fast new wraith could get since the devs said he will still have the windstorms they just wont give as quick of a boost.
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Huh seems like I'm wrong. I havent played much Ghostface but thought I read a number of places people argued he was the best stealth killer. I havent tried the ptb either but I do like wraith a lot. I hope he is really good with the ptb
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He was but mobility has a lethality of its own, combine it with stealth and that's kinda strong. Current wraith doesn't get that much mobility in cloak without addons like the speed is just barely faster than 4.6m/s.
wraith with purple windstorm was similar if not slightly stronger than ghostface but now that it's basekit he will have more addon options available to him which makes him stronger than Ghostface with good addons or at least the same as him base kit.
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Wraith potentially may finally be at least a B Tier killer
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Wraith has to ring bell which gives survivors time to run away, so he's not very good as ambusher, while Ghostface attacks immediately once he's close enough.
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Ghostface needs an add-on pass, he really only has 2 useful add-ons at this point.
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After his buff - probably
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Wraith has mobility and map control. Ghostface has high snowball potential. It just depends which you prefer - I prefer Wraith.
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I may be biased but Wraith is better imo
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Kinda hard for me to say, Ghost Face's reveal mechanic is so finicky.
Maybe you could say because it is finicky, that's why Wraith will be better now cause it's more reliable, but i myself can't say.
Absolutely gonna prefer Wraith still, i've never been the kind of Killer to just stare at Survivors, i like to go in and WHACK!
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No, I think Ghost Face is still stronger. His mechanics are a little buggy sure, but at the end of the day he has no bad maps and wraith will suffer on many maps like Haddonfield, where Ghostface can still excel.
However Wraith has strong addons, and Ghostface is reliant on his; but even still Ghostface has the ability to instant down survivors and Wraith does not, that is a huge deal in a game where after that first hit you can gain so much distance.
Meanwhile, Trapper still getting ######### all as Clown and Wraith get buffed more and more......
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While the reveal mechanic is finicky, that's not really Ghostface's biggest issue.
Ghostface is just map dependent. He struggles on open maps as being undetectable doesn't do much if survivors still see him coming a mile away.
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Shadowdance/Serpent with Brutal is a free hit at every pallet if you zone the survivor correctly. Wraith isn't too shabby.
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Wraith even with windstorm add on wasn't better so why would having it as base suddenly make him better?
Ghostface has a busted reveal mechanic which gives him a lot of free insta downs. The Wraith cannot compete with that.
Both of them can still be looped into oblivion.
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With coxcomb clapper, Wraith's bell becomes silent. With another add-on for wall hacks at 6 m/s, I think his speed buff will make him pretty good.
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Wraith will be way better than Ghostface.
Ghostface honestly kind of sucks.
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GF is more flexible as far as perk builds go, but Wraith's power is a lot more customizeable with addons. I think they're both fine to play.
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True, but Ghostface can still be faster at getting in a surprise hit because there’s no delay in getting an attack in.
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Yes. Mobility counts for far more than a basekit instadown, or else Bubba would be stronger than Blight.
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I'd say so, but then my opinion on Ghostface has always had him in bottom 5-bottom 3 which is not common atall
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Depends on how the bugs play in every trial, if you get "unbreakable stealth Ghostface" its way better than Wraith, if you get "the Survivors from the trial 4 realms away broke my stealth Ghostface" Wraith is much better.
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well yea its a hot take but i think GF needs some buffs he does feel pretty weak right now imo
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I love when i look right into ghostface lucious eyes and he exposes me anyway~ nothing makes me want to die more. Lol besides like being revealed behind walls and around corners as ghostface.
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Ghost face can hide his red light by using his power to mind game in a loop while wraith can not, and this makes ghost face better than DingDong
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"no bad maps"
Blood Lodge, wide open bright field with good LOS.
All of Coldwind, can't stalk through corn.
Haddonfield, bad for everyone.
Red Forest, extremely huge, bright, and good LOS.
Half of the maps in the game are not good for Ghostie...
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Wraith is the strongest stealth killer after these buffs, because he's ACTUALLY a stealth killer and hard to detect, unlike Ghostface who you can see coming from the other end of the map.
The only thing Ghostface has over Wraith is his one-shot powers, which can be interrupted and are very situational IMO.
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His reveal mechanic need to be fixed for BOTH sides and he needs a lower cooldown on his night shroud (something like 20 seconds instead of 30 and nerf the recovery addons accordingly)
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Imo wraith is already slightly better than GF. I really like them both, but they are indeed not very strong at all. GF's reveal mechanic is completely a** and has to be fixed asap. I remember matches I could reveal him in an open field without actually seeing him O.o Also most of his add ons are useless. It is also hard to stalk smart survivors and get use of his one shot ability.
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I maintain what I said, he can make all those maps work better than almost every other killer.
Though when I say "No bad maps" I don't mean haddonfield still isn't BS I only mean he can make the most out of maps compared to most killers. Most of the very experienced streamers and ghostface mains will tell you the same thing.
More people are less experienced and don't realize this however, or they assume that means that he is somehow a much stronger killer than he is or something like that - naw, he is just really versatile. He's still got plenty of weaknesses just maps isn't really one of them.
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Wraith might be stronger than gf with the recent buffs. But the only thing ghostface has that wraith doesn't is that ghostface can immediately hit a survivor while wraith has to uncloak.
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How exactly does a 115% killer with no mobility power "make the most" of bad maps? I play a ton of Ghostie, and I hard disagree.
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