Survivors forces me to spirit
I'm tired and I can't do it anymore. I want to play one game where I have a chance to win and not get genrushed like hell. I'm learning spirit now, because I need a killer who has short chases.
But I know when I play her that 80% of all matches I will get toxic survivors ######### talking me.
This game is so fun .-.
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Maybe you are playing on a rank to high for your skill and when you keep playing you will derank to a skill level where you can be happy?
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Once your very experienced with a certain killer you can end chases very fast as any killer using effective mind games
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You aren't getting gen rushed every game, yes gens go too fast but 99 percent of players don't gen rush. Survivors have nothing else to do if you aren't pressuring them. Watch some good killers streamers to learn what to do, playing training wheels isn't the answer, you'll get more kills but it won't make you a better killer and you'll only get salt for it. Noone likes spirits.
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So, what will you do when they nerf her? Drop dbd?
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Dbd has a very steep learning curve. Once you get the hang of how to run certain tiles, mind games, breaking chases and predicting survivors you will soon be on your way to doing well and ranking up.
Then you get to higher ranks and the true gamers come out but again practice, practice, practice and you'll get there man and soon you'll be competition for even them.
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I really don’t want Spirit to be S tier anymore, people like you ruin my killer’s reputation.
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Not to be that guy but get good
No one is forcing you to play spirit, you're just out of your league, quite simply
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*Dbd for killer, has a very steep learning curve
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It's not your fault, it's the fault of the game that matches you with people who have more than 1000 hours of play while you can have 100 ...
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Yh but only bc then he will be the one with a skill advantage. With spirit he can win against survivor with the same skill level.
That said i would still recommend to learn the basics with a 115% killer.
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If you're being gen-rushed, like someone else said, you aren't applying pressure or a lot of it. Survivors have 1-2 things to do if not being pressured and that is primarily generators/bones. Unless they have to go for unhooks/heals, you can expect them to be on a gen somewhere.
Also what are your perks you run?
I'm going to assume either you are not spreading pressure properly or you are at a higher rank than you should be and being matched with people who know how to run a killer and are focused on the objective.
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I was mainly talking about killer in my response.
However survivor does still have a decent learning curve to though to be fair. After all there wouldn't be nearly as many potatoes out there if there wasn't. You still need to learn about mind games and how to run different tiles and what works against which killers.
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sounds like you focus on too many chases and too little on map pressure. try hit n run strats and stop over-committing on the same survivor for 30 seconds+
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I didn't find survivor difficult to learn at all I'll never understand how some people have difficulty with it
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I wish you best of luck, but killers have this mentality that they’re supposed to win every game. It’s not always going to be in your favor.
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Exactly.
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The basics of survivor are easy. Learning how to loop efficiently, be efficient with pallets and be able to read and counter mind games take time and practice for any player coming into the game.
Unless you're in a 3-4 stack SWF obviously, then all these things become less important so long as you split up on gens you can be bad at them all and still have a good chance of surviving.
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No, No, I tried this myself. At rank twelve I was fairly consistently still going against red ranks who ran toolboxes/Prove Thyself/Streetwise/map offering, finished gens in six minutes or less, and the obligatory "gg ez kill yrslf," at the end from the worst of them.
Classy.
So, uh when does the OP and I get survivors at our skill level, exactly?
Never?
Seems like never. S'why I liked the MMR test, personally.
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Stop caring about gens. Spirit still requires knowing how to run a loop and you can learn that as any killer.
You are too worried about winning when you still need to learn how to chase properly; the most fun part of the game. You honestly are in the best spot, you can just ignore gens and that entirely and literally just practice running chases with people, and learning when to drop them and change targets and when to commit.
Once you know those things, you can play literally any killer in the game that has average move speed; and learn the others that are power oriented fairly quick.
It's like learning the fundamentals of any skill first.
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I dont want to hurt your feelings but you and many people here are allergic to losing. Losing a game or 100 games does only one thing it teaches you your mistakes which makes you better in return. By winning games you will not get as many skill as by losing them and recognizing your mistakes. If you are not red rank it means you have room to grow. Just accept it and grow and dont try to secure kills on the hook but try to hunt as much as possible. That is what every good killer main did. If you cant handle the post game chat then turn it off. If someone is toxic to you in the match just hook them when you can and dont hit their body or face camp them just leave them be, show them that you are a bigger person then them.
But again too many people on both sides have egos to big to fit even into Red Forest.
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I say play Spirit and to hell with the survivor's opinions. They pushed you to this so they deserve it :P
The only reason I learned Nurse is I was tired of SWF bullying my Trapper.
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You're misunderstanding something fundamental.
I don't want to be in red ranks, because I don't want to play against red rank players.
The way that people play at red ranks is entirely unappealing--I prefer games where people actually engage with the content, rather than rush past it. It's why I don't give a [BAD WORD] about ranking up besides the achievement.
So why am I still going against players who are above my rank-rated "level in skill"? I don't mind losing, I allowed myself to de-rank to green with no loss of sleep or pride, I just didn't realize that "killer" means "spectator" in five matches of seven regardless of rank.
I notice you ignored the comment about the matchmaking test. You need to validate your opinion, I understand--in return I'll validate mine: Playing against survivors who want fair, challenging games is a beautiful experience. There's nothing wrong with not wanting to drown my chair in sweat for every single win.
By the by, it's not an irrational expectation to think the winning party shouldn't tell the losing party to kill themselves. Closing the chat isn't addressing the problem, it's actively enabling it, and I enjoy talking with the better people of this game far too much to let someone who is clearly in the wrong dictate what I do. That's quitter talk.
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Survivors didn't force you to Spirit.
You forced you to Spirit.
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You have a very ignorant opinion, you want the game to adapt to your taste without adapting yourself.
don't want to be in red ranks, because I don't want to play against red rank players.
That means you dont want challanging games you want just games that makes fun for you. Every single person playing this game wants to have fun, unfortunatly there are toxic survivors whos fun is to make you not have fun. If every killer can choose noone would want to play against those extremly good survivors, but someone has to.
I don't mind losing, I allowed myself to de-rank to green with no loss of sleep or pride
If I understand correctly you are abusing the current ranking system be deranking on purpose to play in lower ranks where people are less skillful. Did you ever thought about people in lower ranks also dont want a smurfing killer as opponent? You are just focusing what is good for you and you dont think that those "fun" games are very frustrating for the people you are playing against.
I notice you ignored the comment about the matchmaking test.
I did not ignore anything you just did not say anything of value.
By the by, it's not an irrational expectation to think the winning party shouldn't tell the losing party to kill themselves. Closing the chat isn't addressing the problem, it's actively enabling it, and I enjoy talking with the better people of this game far too much to let someone who is clearly in the wrong dictate what I do. That's quitter talk.
I dont know who you think I am, but I am a killer main Rank 1 and I just play any swf team. I have seen more toxic comments, insults, death threats, cheating-accusations and harassment with friend invites and profil spam. What made you think that I think beeing toxic is ok? If you cant handle it just close the chat! The only reason you are not doing it is because of your pride. Just close it for a week and after 1 week think about reopening it or not. The answer will be shocking.
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I don't know how to clip specific pieces of a post to reply to them piecemeal, so I'll just do it sequentially:
Correct. If it's ignorant to play the game as it's intended while being kind to others, then call me the Amazing Ignorant.
True and false, in that order. True, I do want games that are fun for me. In return, I make them fun for others. Reciprocity. False, there are killers who want to play against tryhard teams like that. Granted, they also tend to be those who like to play this game to hurt people, but they exist regardless.
Incorrect. I played killers I was less skilled with repeatedly (probably never going to adept Plague at this rate, smh), without playing killers I was very good with. Unless you count that as "abusing the system," in which case, correct. I also note the fact that you assumed the enjoyable MMR matches were my deranked matches, when I clearly state the deranked matches were against tryhards, and thus deranking did nothing about the level of skill in opponents.
As above, I did, and you misconstrued it somehow, which is hilarious.
I take you, morally, as a quitter. That's why I take you as the kind of person who thinks that abuse that's "out of sight, out of mind" is somehow still okay. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm taking what you're saying the wrong way. I'd still re-open the chat. What you're calling "pride" is having values and standing up for them. I'm allowed to scorn idiots, I fail to see your problem.
Technically this is the only correct answer, tbh. Have an upvote.
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I love how half the people here are screaming "get good" but in reality Spirit is one of three killers that can effectively punish predrop-W-genrush. AKA, the meta.
Yes. Get good. You are just outclassed. Outclassed by people playing in the most brain-dead way possible.
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You're assuming a hell of a lot here.
It's incredibly easy to rank up as killer, without actually being that skilled with most of them if any of them. Spirit, Freddy and Hag for example. As a result, you are propelled into matches with red ranks, and people far, far above your skill level. Then you can't avoid them, and you become unable to play any other killer without getting "bullied" for it.
I'm not a red rank killer, I can't contend with the elite commando SWFs, but I face them 90% of the time because I've just hit purple.
Tell me; is de-ranking abusing the system, or is it fixing it?
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But not fast enough. Gen rush trumps quick chases.
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That’s where effective use of slugging and regression perks come into play
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I don't know how to clip specific pieces of a post to reply to them piecemeal, so I'll just do it sequentially:
You press on the black symbol on the left side of the window you are typing and then on Quotation mark and then " "Quote ".
You are truly ignorant because you just ignored everything I sayed and exaggerated argument to your favour. Talking to you feels like talking to people in the postgame chat who are just focused on their own point of view and can't accept other opinions. But ok I will try to reply to the mess you wrote. BTW I am a none english speaker, so I dont understand your fancy wording often and dont understand if you called me an idiot, I will slide it for now because I might have missunderstood it, try to write a more simplfied english for people who dont speak it on daily bases.
Correct. If it's ignorant to play the game as it's intended while being kind to others, then call me the Amazing Ignorant.
True and false, in that order. True, I do want games that are fun for me. In return, I make them fun for others. Reciprocity. False, there are killers who want to play against tryhard teams like that. Granted, they also tend to be those who like to play this game to hurt people, but they exist regardless.
First, you are just assuming that you know what is fun for others but also want them to make the game fun for you in return. You are very wrong if you think that survivor would ever do anything that harms them and benefits you out of good heart. The correct answer is even: They are not able to do this! Because they cant hold M1 less hard on a gen, they cant just not unhook someone, they cant just not defend themselfs against you. The only thing they can do is not being toxic ingame, thats it.
Second, you are saying that there are killers that want to play against tryhards and that is wrong. I dont say that there are realy ZERO, but take any killer main streamer or me for example, we want to play with skilled survivors with people on our level, but none of us wants to play against sweaty tryhards that would finish the game in 4 min and leaving every teammate on the hook just to escape and make the killer loose. There are 100% not enough crazy-masochistic killers for all those teams that want to ruin the killer.
Incorrect. I played killers I was less skilled with repeatedly (probably never going to adept Plague at this rate, smh), without playing killers I was very good with. Unless you count that as "abusing the system," in which case, correct. I also note the fact that you assumed the enjoyable MMR matches were my deranked matches, when I clearly state the deranked matches were against tryhards, and thus deranking did nothing about the level of skill in opponents.
See! That is your kind of passive aggressive talking, you are like a cobra that twists everything and then tries to poison you. You are speaking so arrogant it pains me to read it. I said originaly:
If I understand correctly you are abusing the current ranking system be deranking on purpose
Like you see I say I am not sure if I understand you correctly, because your style of writing is very strange and difficult to understand. But you go full passiv-aggressive mode and twist it like I am attacking you. All I said: IF you are deranking on purpose just to get easier opponents you are stealing every other killer in the big killer pool the oportunity to play an easier game once in a while. You are not red rank, you think you get often red rank survivor or swf teams, but you dont know how the air smells when you are rank 1! We on rank 1 dont get swfs or tryhards sometimes, we get them all the time! And maybe 1 in 20 games is a game against less skillful survivors and you as experienced killer can tell the rank by seeing the survivor in the chase for 10sec. Thats why red killer dont respect anyone who abuses the derank system just to avoid the tryhard survivors, because if all killers climb down the killer who stay will be forced to catch all those tryhards by them own. Do you know how long queue time for Red Killer is? Its between 5-10sec and I am pretty sure it would be quicker if not the hidden countdown. Do you know how long my queue time on rank 1 survivor is (solo)? 5min before 17o'Clock and 10-20min after 19o'clock. There are not enough killer in red ranks!
As above, I did, and you misconstrued it somehow, which is hilarious.
You are the only person who is misconstructing here! I dont know why you are so aggressive, noone is attacking you, its not the post game chat! But hilarious is how people would project their flawes on other people without seeing them.
I take you, morally, as a quitter. That's why I take you as the kind of person who thinks that abuse that's "out of sight, out of mind" is somehow still okay. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm taking what you're saying the wrong way. I'd still re-open the chat. What you're calling "pride" is having values and standing up for them. I'm allowed to scorn idiots, I fail to see your problem.
Sorry, I dont understand what you are writting at all! Are you calling me a quitter? Like I am DCing? Because from all I told its the most wrong assumption one could ever make about me, and when you watch my post history you would see it very quick. You seem like the guy who would DC the as soon as someone breaks his ruin 30sec into the match.
That's why I take you as the kind of person who thinks that abuse that's "out of sight, out of mind" is somehow still okay. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm taking what you're saying the wrong way.
Also completly wrong. Judging people is not you strong side, I would suggest that you stop doing it in the future, because you are hurting feelings with this. But hey, someone who experienced so much toxicity in the post game chat as you should be better then that? I guess not. From the way you are talking to me you yourself are acting like a bully with no manners.
I'd still re-open the chat. What you're calling "pride" is having values and standing up for them. I'm allowed to scorn idiots, I fail to see your problem.
First: You did not try it. You are just saying stuff with no weight to it. I tell you to try it, then you can return and tell me that you still reopned it. But saying that you still would do it without trying is just showing that you are focused on your own point of view and refuse to broaden your horizon. And the last part, I dont understand if you insulted me or not, but I am bigger then this anyway. If you feel like insulting me go ahead, you are not the first one and for sure not the last one.
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Sorry dude but I doubt Spirit will fix much for you if you’re having that much trouble. I play with a group that averages 100 days of playtime so I think I can give you some insight here. What killer you choose can give you a better shot of winning, there are tons of red rank potatoes that will fall for simple spirit mind games all the time. A lot of people here mentioned rank, I don’t think rank matters at all. In fact, I’ll usually find in “red rank only” squads that 3/4 of them are FAR from the survivor skill cap at this game. But there are gods on this community who will still run you round and round even as a fairly skilled spirit. This year I’ve been rank 15, rank 1 and everywhere in between, it just depends on how much I’m playing. Like others have mentioned, if you want to win more then get better at the fundamentals.
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Legit only took me about 300 hours to get this down (sounds like a lot but that took me all of a month) in the grand scheme of things ain't much.
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Not really, if he switches to Spirit and discovers he still needs to actually try to win against good teams with the Spirit, then surely he's earned the right to play spirit just as much as you?
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You press on the black symbol on the left side of the window you are typing and then on Quotation mark and then " "Quote ".
Very neat! Haven't seen this function on many forums--usually it's built into the highlight or left-click, I really feel that this really works better!
The "TL;DR" is at the beginning here because this all boils down to one point:
Most of the disagreement we seem to be having is coming from the fact that you don't exactly understand what I'm saying and we both proceed to take offence to each other.
I'll start off properly by saying I appreciate that you gave advice to the OP.
My counter-point was full of flowery language, so I can see why it'd be hard to understand. I'll clarify: I was absolutely being passive-aggressive at the end, because I fully took in a hostile tone from you. If you say that wasn't your intention I'll choose to believe you, and do my best to back down a little.
You are very wrong if you think that survivor would ever do anything that harms them and benefits you out of good heart. The correct answer is even: They are not able to do this!
Problem: more assumptions. You assume I only want what's best for me, which is a fair thought to have. It is an incorrect assumption. I want survivors to play the game, if they don't then there is no game. On the other hand, I also want matches to be balanced.
If both sides aren't of comparable skill, then it isn't really a game.
Like you see I say I am not sure if I understand you correctly, because your style of writing is very strange and difficult to understand. But you go full passiv-aggressive mode and twist it like I am attacking you.
For future reference: Your choice in words when translated to English was aggressive, and I responded accordingly. It's interesting to know that apparently you didn't mean it that way. And you don't understand most of what I'm saying, which pains me.
One day when you're better at the language you can look back and understand it a bit more, if you'd care to do so.
There are not enough killer in red ranks!
I'm aware. I've been getting their run-off, leftovers, extras, whatever way I can phrase it that translates correctly.
I know there aren't enough. I'm not deranking with the intention of getting easier opponents, but I am assuming that when I do derank I will face easier opponents and go back up, as the game intends.
That doesn't happen.
Instead, I end up with more red ranks and hover around rank eight.
Sorry, I dont understand what you are writting at all! Are you calling me a quitter?
I'll do my best to be extremely clear for this specific portion, for the one and only insult that I gave you in the entire back-and-forth:
I said you came across as the kind of person who has no values that they will stand by.
It had nothing to do with in-match behavior, but it's neat how you took it that way and tried to turn it around. Very chic, but ultimately irrelevant and inapplicable.
If that description of you isn't true, than all the better. I'd prefer if you were an upstanding person who stands by their principles rather than backing down from the slightest provocation with a huff and a "I'm better than this," without actually internalizing anything from the clash of ideals.
I'll judge by the angered reply that you are morally upright and willing to stay with it. You're better for it.
First: You did not try it. You are just saying stuff with no weight to it.
I am telling you that I would not change my mind. I enjoy talking with people--it's one of my favorite things to do.
If someone's going to be a [BAD WORD], then I'm not going to close the chat because that would mean accepting what they said as "fine."
I'm not taking what they have to say against me personally, but that doesn't mean that I'm not allowed to scorn them for being fools. My very first comment on the matter made that clear: I had no respect for the survivors who felt so insecure in their win that they had to try to devalue their opponents.
And the last part, I dont understand if you insulted me or not, but I am bigger then this anyway.
I'm asking (apparently poorly) why you'd close the chat. Maybe you don't personally, the way you worded it made it seem so, but by closing the chat you implicitly state that what the scumbags said can hurt you, all the while ignoring everyone else who just wants to be friendly, or gain advice, or any number of other innocuous things. Maybe you don't value that. Something to think on, I suppose.
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You are speaking so arrogant it pains me to read it.
"You keep saying that word. I'm fairly certain it does not mean what you think it does."
(I'm thinking the translation has some subtleties that aren't coming across when the word changes to English, because you aren't using it correctly half the time. Feel free to look into that, I guess? Find an additional word to use or something, whatever makes you happy, I guess--this isn't the figurative hill I die on, just thought you'd like to improve your grasp of the language..)
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Same for me. Some people pick killer up straight away and do well, some people struggle and it takes them a while.
Everyone doesn't learn at the same pace as eachother. That's just a fact of life.
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The problem is that slugging isn't fun for either side, and spamming gen defense perks should not be a prerequisite for winning matches.
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Never siad slugging was fun but if they made slugging a non necessary mechanic what happens to the slugging nurses who still abuse it
Problem with regression perks is if you make them not necessary what happens when you stack 4 with the new built in slowdown?
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Derank? XD ... Good one.
There is no de-rank. You rank up quickly to where you should be, but then you don't stop. You eventually rank up beyond your skill. Natural gameplay will not let you derank back to where you should be. Only idling for the entire match will derank you
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How so? It’s well known that only Nurse and spirit stand any kind of chance against the top teams.
A lot of the other killers are underpowered and dont have what it takes to win against strong teams. Maybe if you play every single day and have 7000 hours you can overcome that handicap with some killers but again a number of these killers will only take you so far no matter how good you are. A good swf will pummel Clown into the ground no matter how good you are because he literally does not have the power or ability to beat these teams.
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Unlike most survivors, I don't consider Spirit particularly bad to play against, but it really just depends on how far you go. I won't use moris, but I'll periodically stack her best movement addons, or tunnel into slugging.
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