remove bloodlust? K remove red stain.
Survivors want bloodlust removed because it's a "crutch" for killers.
K.
Remove the red stain then because it's a crutch for survivors.
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If you know how to moonwalk effectively the red stain can be a huge help to you
Guess you don’t know how to then?
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don't have to moonwalk when playing ghostface and it works just fine.
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Fair enough
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That’s fair.
Anyway the red stain is a game mechanic to make chases more fair for survivors and add a new layer of mindgames to make them more interactive
Bloodlust is a band aid fix for bad map design
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But the red stain can give you an advantage.
Also, removing it would make mind games unnecessary, and I don't know about you but learning how to mindgame loops and pulling them off is one of the things that makes this game fun.
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Sure. But in order to take an advantage from the killer, they have to take one from survivors as well. It's only fair.
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They are two distinct sides that need different balance philosophies
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Thats not how balancing works.
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I dont get why Killers want the red stain to be removed. They can mindgame with it. Like, they want to keep things like J-Flicks, because they "add depths to Killers", but hiding the Red Stain is not "depth" at all apparently.
Obviously Bloodlust should go, it is an outdated mechanic. As Killer, I would like the Red Stain to stay, since it is a tool for mindgames. As Survivor, I dont mind if it is there or not.
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Remove bloodlust, period?
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Banaid for bad map design which still exists cough cough groaning cough cough
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This patch literally just had a huge survivor nerf, and two killer buffs.
Does that mean they need to compensate by having a huge killer nerf and two survivor buffs then...
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Btw, if bloodlust gets removed, there should be something done with shift+w gaming.
If somebody doesn't think it's a problem, try to chase survivor on maps like midwich where you just follow their scratchmarks, but can't trigger a chase.
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well you seen the reworked maps and it would be absolutely dreadful without bloodlust
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I think Red Stain is
A) A great band name
B) A good trade off considering that Killers get scratch marks. Killers can track movement from a distance so long as they are keen enough to see it, and narrow down location from there. Survivors only get to know where the Killer is when they are close by, letting them know what the Killer currently sees. It's basically an inverted version of the scratch marks. Killers can play around with their Red Stain to mindgame Survivors, and Survivors CAN use their scratch marks to throw off the Killer. It's a great balance, each with their trade offs. I see no issue in it.
As for Bloodlust, I wouldn't mind seeing ranks 2 and 3 go, but I think rank 1 should stick around. I don't think we will see some of the weaker Killers ever really get buffed the way many people would like, and they benefit greatly from Bloodlust 1. Many lower tier Killers would basically fall off entirely without Bloodlust, because their powers don't really make up for the loss in speed they would suffer during chase. Yes, they could be reworked to the point where Bloodlust doesn't need to be a thing anymore, but I just don't see that kind of thing happening.
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I would love to get Bloodlust removed.
Only thing it does is freezing my game for a solid second everytime i get it :)
It srewed me over so much more than it helped me.
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I can only imagine that Bloodlust must be at the bottom of a massive "If/then" tree in the code in order to cause that much of an issue. I don't know for sure what causes that slowdown, but it SOUNDS like the App is running down a massive list which freezes it up.
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Totally agree maps are still pretty bad. But once maps get better it has no place
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It's one less advantage to a side that is already weaker than the other. So if it happens, something from the other side also needs to go. Not necessarily red stain. It could simply be less safe pallets and loops with a HUGE f-ing wall in the middle that survivors can abuse (Haddonfield).
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Nope. Because killer is already weaker.
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Breakable walls already break bloodlust though don’t they? So bloodlust barely comes into play honestly
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I agree. But if you're gonna make the stronger side a bit stronger, you have to compensate somehow.
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You only have to break walls once
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you are aware that the red stain is literally the basis of 95% of the possible killer mindgames, right?
you're just doublenerfing killers with that.
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have you played ghostface or tier 1 myers?
it's even easier to mind game because they don't know where you're going to so they stand still confused
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I would never notice if bloodlust get removed. If it activates and you're not having a hit or pallet break within the next 5 seconds you're doing something wrong.
But hey they might rework Beast Of Prey to hide your red stain so you might get your wish kinda.
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Lmfao, do you not understand how ridiculous you sound right now. You sound like a 2 year old who cries because another kid had more toys with them
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I've never heard anyone ask for bloodlust to be removed.
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firts of all, tier 1 myers doesnt mindgame.
for the rest, a vast majority of killer mindgames are you USING your red stain to make it look like you are going in one direction when in reality you are not. you make Survivors predict your next move based on the red light shining around the corner, while you yourself predict their prediction and act accordingly.
this is also effective when you want to make survivors panic vault something right into you at unsafe structures.
so no, you are not making it easier to mindgame. you are, in fact, reducing the overall amount of mindgames possible, so you make it easier for Survivors to predict your next move.
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What blaring out our headphones making the loops in general fairer (some are still infinites) limiting killer pov and giving survivors perks like dead hard isnt enough advantages? Not saying it needs removed but id say survivors have plenty advantages lol.
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Chase music is necessary otherwise tracking would be way easier
Not many loops have been made safer
limited FOV is there so the survivors can do something besides run around pallet or window.
Dead hard and any other exhaustion perk is using a perk slot for an improved chase just like spirit fury, enduring or bamboozle
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"Not many loops have been made safer" *looks at groaning storehouse which was already a infinite but now they gave it back the pallet* *and the game maps very existance* idk about that.
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I’ll agree about the game though that map was an abomination to begin with
Storehouse had the inside pallets removed and the window is a bit stronger
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You havent played on groaning since the last patch? One of the pallets is back. The one at the entrance.
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The storehouse is insanely strong.You can very easily chain those 2 windows and there aren't a lot of killers that can deal with that loop and now it got a pallet inside on top of that.
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Wait didn’t they remove the pallet inside? Maybe I’m wrong about that but it used to have two and I thought they got rid of both
Yeah it is pretty strong but the rest of the map is pretty trash tbh
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weaker yes for swf but NO for soloQ which game should be balanced around
yes Bloodlust should be removed after map reworks because it wont be needed anymore after and NO red stain should not be removed because the game would not be balanced anymore
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That doesnt make any sense at all, for example DS got nerfed this patch so in exchange now they should nerf Killers too?.
The "you more!!" and whatabouthism mindsets hurt this game way too much.
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They got rid of both pallets with the rework,but add one in the main building with the recent update.
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Oh well that’s dumb. I guess it was what was causing the double pallets to come back though?
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Well,double pallets usually are an indicator that the map spawned the minimum amount of pallets.
You'll then see a lot more deadzones and T L walls
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So the balance should be killer against soloQ and the killer can suck it up against the 5% of 4men and the unknown amount of 2/3men groups having the advantage of coms, coordination and reassurance of reliable teammates, great.
It's still abetter solution to elevate solo to swf and adjust killer accordingly but whatever.
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Bloodlust 2 and 3 aren't the issues with bloodlust, bloodlust 1 is because of how quickly you get it. If you wanna keep bloodlust, tier 1 should kick in at the same time tier 2 does now, or somewhere in between, and survivors should get an effect or visual cue for when bloodlust triggers, like the killer suddenly gets a red effect that shines on them for a second.
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Increase the killers speed by default and I'll be alright with that.
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Isn’t there already a way for survivors to remove bloodlust? Don’t pallets remove it?
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Maybe, though I almost think it depends on the Killer. Killers with few chase options are honestly better served getting it sooner, while other Killers aren't. I mean, it would be BEST if every Killer had their own pre-requisite time for BL1, based on their kit, power, and expected threshold. I don't think that is going to happen, as it would require every Killer getting a deep-dive into their strengths and weaknesses to determine a good timer. If a blanket method is used, like it is now, it's probably going to be aimed to favor weaker Killers, but perhaps unfairly benefit stronger Killers as a result. If it's changed to favor the more mid-range Killers, lower tier Killers that suffer in chase are going to become that much harder to use in chase.
It's a tight-rope act, really.
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As a killer I want bloodlust removed. I'm on ps4, bloodlust triggers fps drops anytime it kicks in causing me to miss hits or lose survivors in a chase. That weekend without bloodlust was amazing for me and many other console killers that get screwed over by the bloodlust fps drops.
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who said bloodlust needs to be removed? i have never seen a post complaining about bloodlust. it isnt even that efficient cuz a survivor can just abuse a good loop and force you to break it which means you lose it
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I won't even read this pointless thread but OP, there's this perk you'll ADORE that's called Beast of Prey...
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This. At first it may seem like a hinderance but once you know how to capitalise on it it becomes incredibly useful.
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that's a ######### game problem not a bloodlust problem
doesn't happen to me on PC
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