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DBD is declining
I've been playing the game for years and just recently joined the forums due to me play a lot more recently, however it seems that with time DBD has just slowly declined into a sad and sorry state. DBD has always been a game where its hard against both the killer and the survivor, but seeing the community its seems as though the killer mains and survivor mains are at war for which side is more broken, i guess thats how all competitive games are. the DBD community is getting more and more toxic, with people from both sides denouncing the other. its like a cut the festers and gets worse with time. I know that analytically DBD isnt declining https://steamcharts.com/app/381210#All but 55 thousand concurrent players doesn't sound that good when you hear that 10 million people made account that have bought DBD on PS4. it just makes me think how the community is either the toxic people or people who are new to the game and are soon going to be toxic.
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The game could be declining due to bad chapters recently and bugs that have yet to be fixed. However wait till the next license dlc release and see people come back in droves, especially if it’s the rumored Resident Evil dlc. Or FNaF. I would say the divide between killer and survivor mains has always been this way cause the game promotes an us vs them mentality. Just how it is. If one side gets nerfed they fear their game will therefore be easier for their opponent. When you want to win and one side gets nerfed or buffed you feel like the game is balancing in favor of the opponent, even if the nerd or buff is fair.
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Every online multiplayer game is toxic and DBD honestly isn’t that toxic compared to the other games I’ve played (Overwatch, Smite, CS GO)
Most of the toxicity in this game is more entitlement than anything.
By the way welcome to forums!
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yeah i know but never before have i seen toxicity to people who dont even want to be in that situation, like you could play a killer exactly how you should (according to the survivors) or you could play survivor exactly how you should and you will still get that toxicity, like face camping/Tbagging etc. i feel like Overwatch and Smite if you play well enough you wont get told to ######### if you play slightly different than how they want you to. its honestly so irritating to play some survivor matches and i die on 1st hook because of face-camping, the state of the games community right now doesn't even make it fun, you will occasionally get some really fun matches with randoms and i just wonder why people cant just play like that all the time, i dont like going against a sweaty spirit but i think spirit could actually be one of the most fun killers to play against, people on DBD only care about winning and not having fun, and thats the most annoying part.
Off note- thanks although it seems like these forums are just for people complaining, i still have seen and talked with really nice people on these forums (that is until i say what i main)
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I think the same thing happens in overwatch as it happens here
I played ranked in overwatch at a decent level and if I tried to play any of the non met heroes I would get constant messages telling me to switch and even people throwing the game because I took their hero.
What do you main? Not that it matters really I’m just curious
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I like Overwatch but there's a reason I stay out of rank. When people start telling me who to pick I'm no longer having fun and rather play something else.
As for dbd declining. It's hard to tell. The last 2 chapters have been absolute crap but so long as they get a license killer every now and then to bring in fresh meat. It gives off the illusion the game is doing well. Personally I think they need to stop with the new characters and focus on game health. It's like a patient is taken to a hospital and they have a severed arm. Instead of closing the wound(which they should do) they keep pumping blood into the patient to keep him going.
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Yep as a brig and sym main ranked was a nightmare
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I like to mess around as Sombra. Get behind people, hack the rein or hammond, harass the back line. However in QP NO ONE wants a sombra. They keep telling you to switch. Yet at GM lvl Sombras pick rate is massive. She's a great character but people need to push to take advantage of her hacks. Most randoms don't do that and assume she's weak.
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Yeah sombra isn’t amazing in QP or lower ranks since she requires a lot of coordination.
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I main mostly survivor but I've been playing quite a bit of killer recently more so than survivor but i fail to see how that is more toxic to DBD, when its literally looked down upon if you play Nurse, Spirit etc. so in that aspect overwatch and DBD is the same. it seems as if no matter what i do im always going to get that toxicity even if i do switch to a different killer and unlike Overwatch you are force to play ranked matches, you cant really play it like a casual game else people would send you hate mail
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That might be the problem you’re facing. DBD’s ranking system means literally nothing. You’re better off thinking of this as a casual game and putting rank to the side
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This game is impossible to play it casually either you get a iri head huntress, tombstone myers, or a sweaty nurse/spirit when you play survivor if you dont sweat then either the killer is gonna be toxic or the other survivors are gonna be toxic also dont they go by skill level now instead of ranks? genuine question, i thought they switched it
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MMR had a test about a week ago and is going to take over ranks soon.
It’s not impossible you just have to accept you’re not going to win every match
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There has always been a "war" of survivor and killer mains on the forums. Since you are new to the forums I am not sure how you could surmise that the community has "slowly declined into a sad and sorry state." Toxicity is a vague term to say the least; and very open to interpretation. Do people on these forums argue endlessly, use hyperbole, throw out vitriol, and ramble on and on about the same issues - yes they do - welcome to the internet. I have been gaming since 1996 and have been involved in MANY forums as a poster and moderator and if you think these forums are more "toxic" than most forums - you are sadly mistaken.
FYI according to steam charts DBD has seen two of it's highest peak player months within the last year. Peak players and average players are an indicator of a games health, but you have to remember that 55k players is at ONE time not the total number of people playing the game THAT day. People do not...generally...play DBD all day so you have to take that number and figure out how many PLAYERS are actually playing per day. Let's assume that everyone plays for 4 hours a day (not true (some more and some less) but makes this WAY easier) - that would be on average 214k players for the past 30 days...per day. DBD currently has 20% more concurrent and peak players than it did a year ago and nearly double what they had two years ago - and nearly triple what they had 3 years ago.
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I hate sombra. I hate this character with all my being as a doomfist main
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when i said DBD is declining i mean i see more campers tbaggers, flashlight clickers than i did when i first started playing, it seems as though every game nowadays has at least one of those toxic traits, and in return the people who are the victim become toxic themselves
FYI yes i did mention the analytics but even if you were to count 214k players as you previously stated there's still the fact that over 10 million people in just one console have played DBD and they didn't like then they left, lets assume that both those numbers were on steam, 214k players i just 2.14% of how many people bought it so that means that 97.86% people that bought it stop playing afterwards for some reason and yes how much people that play it is going up but the number of people that buy it is also going up basically saying that the as more people play it more people are also dropping it.
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yeah thats true but im not talking about winning im talking about people being toxic, iri head is toxic, Tbagging is toxic, etc. its getting harder and harder to stay committed to DBD when people just dont care about fun they care about wins
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Your math is flawed. 214k people play the game DAILY - that could mean it is the exact same 214k people every day or it could be up to 6 million people per month. 214,000 total DAILY players does not equate 1. How often people play or 2. the number of active players who play on any day of the month - the only people who know exactly how many TOTAL players play is BHVR. You also have no idea how many people who have purchased the game have ever played it or are currently playing it on a regular basis. The only thing we can basically summarize is how many DAILY players there are each day based off of the stream charts, but we have no way of determining if those people played the day before...or the day after.
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If DBD is toxic, League of Legends is a nuclear ######### wasteland.
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Exactly
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You literally ignored my first half, i didn't make this post to start an argument about how many people play i made this post to talk about how much of those people are toxic, as i said im new to these forums but im not new to DBD, ive seen the toxicity get more and more common with each update. you also ignored the fact that i said both numbers will go up as more and more people buy the game. On November 16, 2017, more than 3 million copies were sold. As of May 2019, the game sold more than 5 million copies. In August 2020, the game reached more than 25 million players across all platforms, and i said 10 million on just ps4 (https://gamstat.com/games/Dead_by_Daylight/) we cant see how many people play DBD but still that still equals out around 1 to 2% of people playing daily and AGAIN as more people buy it, more people will both play it and more people will stop playing it. Im saying the main reason why people dont play it is because of its community lest take the peak of concurrent DBD player to date which is 77k lets say they play for 5 hours a day (just as you said it not true it just makes it easier) thats 385k players at its PEAK, now idk about you but 385k players is a far cry form the 10 million confirmed total player count.
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Not really, that graph shows the game had more players from Setpember to November in 2020 but overall this month has more players than average.
Also take on account console users.
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So you are playing for years?
So then I tell ya from veteran to veteran, dbd back in the days was way more toxic than now. That's why we had a codex. But the devs took care about their things and today we are all laughing at the rulebooks.
I tell you what really changed and idk who (finally) spoke it out but dbd isn't toxic. Dbd isn't competetive. The dbd community is entilted af.
Don't have to add anything to that.
You guys should learn what toxicity really means. And even I'm for all it, for some spicy talk, I can't even remember when the last person went offensive against me with homophobic, racist or other personal attacks. That's what toxicity ist. Going personal, insulting someone personally at a very high level where it's usually not legal in most countries.
Toxic isn't "Omg I dont like how you play/things work/things are designed it's so toxic" No my friend. That's called being entilted.
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so you're saying Tbagging isnt toxic, also when i said DBD is toxic i meant its community
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yes but as i said the more people that buy it the more people will both play AND drop it, the game is the most popular it has ever been and its only going to keep going up until it becomes stale but when you look at the graph it says 10 million have bought it and only 500,000 of them are returning players
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NOT SAYING THAT DBD IS A NOT FUN GAME its actually quite fun, but the COMMUNITY makes it NOT FUN, i dont have fun playing against a sweaty nurse and i dont have fun when a survivor Tbags. Im saying that its BECOMING MORE AND MORE UNFUN because of the COMMUNITY
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It's declining because they keep breaking the game and refusing to fix it.
And by breaking it, I mean literally breaking it. This last update broke the ability to use a controller + mouse combo, so those of us that rely on this for playing cannot play any more. It worked fine for years... and then they broke it. And who knows when that'll be fixed.
So I'm out... not playing until it's fixed, and when it is, I'll see if I can still be bothered or not.
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And again... of those DAILY users you have no idea if some of them only play once or twice a week or 7 days a week so you have NO IDEA how many people play DBD in a given month. No one is denying that 25 million people do not play the game every day or every week or every month - then again NO GAME can say that everyone who has bought their game plays on a regular basis. I bought Phasmophobia and played it 2 hours total. I have the Sims 4 and have played that maybe 5 times. Do you play every game you have bought all the time? People play or don't play for a plethora of reasons - including but not limited to "toxicity."
I have played this game since January 2017 - and I do not think the "community" is any more or less toxic than it has always been. This is a competitive game of two sides working against one another - that in and of itself creates frustration and heated debate.
Do I think teabagging is toxic? No not really - silly more than anything. But ya see - I don't let the actions of others bother me - especially strangers in an online game.
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Same here. Not a Doomfist main but I hate sombra. A character with the ability to disable your own abilities in a game about having different abilities is the epitome of unfun. Hate playing as healer against her, but when I'm on tank or dps as cree or hog I make sure I save my cc for her exclusively lol.
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if she hacks you all you have is your gun, and if you doom fist its a bad gun
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yet again you ignore the first thing i say in the original argument, just because you as a person doesn't see Tbagging as toxic doesn't mean it isnt toxic, Tbagging is basically taunting, which in itself is disrespectful or "toxic" and Tbagging is just one thing in the "plethora" of other things like face camping among other various things that are disrespectful, i play a game to have fun, not to get disrespected.
Although i agree with you're second statement of the nature of the game "creates frustration and heated debates" however thats within certain bounds, how come i can play some games and have a actually good time with a nice killer/survivors and other times i get face-camped.
I dont see how you can so focused on one thing while ignoring the original statement, i put those numbers in there just to put them there i wasn't trying to prove the fact that its dying im trying to say the community is forcing DBD down a rabbit hole that just spirals and spirals
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Declining in your own subjective perception of how it should be? As far as I'm concerned, DBD is still growing and still remains one of the most popular games on earth, on twitch and on steam. Still always in the top 20 on both platforms
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Look at what i originally said, i stated the fact that the community is declining not DBD itself
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Because I don't view teabagging, face camping, tunneling, flickering flashlights, etc... as toxic behavior. I find these actions to be silly not offensive or "toxic."
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TOXIC means Bad Attitude and Behavior in an online gaming context. so just because you see it as silly doesn't mean it isnt toxic
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Oh if theres a doomfist, tracer or a hammond. I love it when someone brings sombra
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So you are telling me what I can and cannot view as bad? Excuse me?
I stated my view: I view them as silly not bad or toxic or being a "bad attitude." On the contrary I stated TO ME they are not offensive - I stated my view - I do not view them as "TOXIC."
Those behaviors are toxic to you - and you know what - that's ok and perfectly acceptable that you view that behavior as bad/toxic and that you state your view, but guess what - that does not take away from my ability to state my view even if it is contrary to yours. So yes I can certainly think and state that the behaviors are not toxic - because that's MY view. You will find that in an online forum everyone does not think the same. In forums people have different views than yours. These different views do not take away from the legitimacy of your views - just like your views do not take away from the legitimacy of my views. So please don't disrespect others by delegitimizing their views.
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