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Why can't there be higher penalties for camping and proxy camping? It kills the game.
There are too many hook campers, wouldn't it be better to stop the timer if killlers are within a certain distance for longer than 10 seconds and not allowed to use the same hook within a certain time? Also minus blood points per 5 seconds?
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Why are there not higher penalties for gen rushing?
Is it because it's specifically part of the game? If survivors would attempt to safely unhook (that's a thing that used to happen sometimes), tunneling wouldn't be so easy. Survivors play stupid and killers are expected to help them not lose. Play better.
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There are perks to stop gen rushing, ie discordance. there is little you can do if a killer decides to camp. Effectively its game over on first hook, I realise it's only really really bad players that have little in the way of intelligence that do this but it does not make for a good game.
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Aren't survivors punished for gen rushing by reciving like 7000-13000 bloodpoints per match and minimum amount of xp? I've noticed this when completing challenges for the rift, it takes me ages to get the rift fragments when I play as survivor.
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They tried for long long time ago to implement a anti hook camp mechanic on hook but was abused from the survivor.
And many Killers doesnt care about minus points or emblem they want kills no matter what..they give a .... about ranks or bloodpoints.
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Because the rules SPECIFICALLY ALLOW camping? Also proxy camping is just called patrolling. Should I go hide in the opposite corner until you're ready to play the game some more?
Smart survivors are the penalty for camping, you decide if the strategy works. Do a gen or bait the camper away. Not from across the map, get close enough for a chase or just do gens. Dancing around like a fool in the distance is what makes camping work.
I don't owe you an easy unhook, but I'll happily chase someone else. It's not my job to help you, that's for your.... (wait for it)... team.
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camping and proxy camping are both too subjective as a topic and is hard to nail down in concrete terms most of the time as everyones personal definition of camping can very in extreme amounts, without having any concrete method to define the parameters of what killers can and can't do and will and won't be punished for its hard to say if they could ever implement a system to punish them properly while still being fair in the grand scheme of things
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When I say camping I mean not moving and so close to you that you can only see head and shoulders. Proxy camping is probably what you'd call stalking if it was someone in your local park! I mean there are 4 survivors why circle the same one? (rhetorical) there shouldn't be any advantage for negative play and as such I think they could put all these types of players in the same pool so they can play against each other, then they will see how much fun it is. If gta can make a cheaters pool I'm sure dbd can make a camping pool.
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We could fill up a pool with all the crying DBD players do.
Did you know there's a difference between cheating and not cheating? If you want people to play by your rules, play a custom game. Public trials are pubic, they follow the rules created by the devs.
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Discordance does nothing to stop gen rushing when the ideal gen rush is four survivors on four different generators.
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Warphead, I'm not saying it's cheating I'm saying it's unnecessary and a lazy way of playing.
If all like minded players are put against each other then hopefully they would find out why it's toxic and stop doing it. I know it's a small minority of killers that do this but they are ruining the game for those that want to play.
Or maybe we should just have the one hook per survivor , two minute game and no points for anyone to show for it, because with camping that's effectively what at least one player gets.
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Mr myers, it was the minority that you mentioned that I was specifically talking about! I do use borrowed time but the other perk I don't have. I will have to wait for it to appear in the shrine or rank up the character if its worth it. I still think there could be something done that wouldn't unbalance the game and I hope they implement it in my lifetime.
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if there are too many hook campers I you just gotta get good tbh. People camp hooks at 17+ rank
I'm not even saying this in a disrespectful way cause it's super easy
You only need to do gens and even if you get hooked instantly you will rank up. The game calculates rank by calculating how much time you spend doing something useful for the team. Like healing unhooking and gens
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well...
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I am seeing hook campers at rank 13, so its not about me getting better. I know higher ranks don't seem to get campers but the problem is still there, especially early evening when kids are on.
I think if the game didn't reward camping, then it would happen less, there are always going to be a mindless minority that play that way so unfortunately we're stuck with it. Though If the developers found a way to pool all the same like minded players together and leave those that want to play to get on with the game possibly we could enjoy the game but I don't think it's ever going to happen.
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The game does not reward camping.
Dumb survivors usually reward camping by doing their utmost to stop the killer camping or doing unsafe rescues resulting in a loop, thus feeding the killer and wasting time rather than doing gens.
The killer loses points by camping and being anywhere near the hook. If the survivors were bright they would all jump on gens which would punish the killer. Yes it sucks for the guy hooked but the killer throws the game by doing so.
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The amount of points lost is minimal. Also, if you are the one hooked you have no control over what team mates you get and what they do.
It's not much of a game for the person on the hook, and if killlers see this as being a viable option maybe there should be made a way to prevent this.
I think balancing the game is difficult but at the moment it is more towards the killers with little or no skill.
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Camping and tunneling is no problem for skilled survivors.
Play 50% of your time on the other side (preferably more than 100-500 hours). And only then can you have an adequate opinion about "honesty" and balance.
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@Ghost077 Are you suggesting I go to the dark side???!!!! I have and I do think that if you get hooked first and camped throughout your entire game, it's not much of a game you've had. The game is much better and rewarding if you actually catch the survivors yourself instead of waiting for them to surrender to you.
I would also like to think I have better things to do than spend 100 hours on a game but you never know.
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Ok but the problem here is that the most effective gen rushing is when everyone is on a different gen meaning discordance does nothing if the survivors do it right. Maybe they should add a perk that makes the hook progress faster for each survivor on a gen.
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Firstly there are many ways to get around hook camping killers the biggest being gen rushing. Secondly if the hooked survivor is too good or is being overly toxic they will get camped. Camping and tunneling are both valid strategies depending on the level of survivors you are facing. Also understand, There are many times where killers look to these strategies because they're tired of getting beat over and over. As a killer we dont need to play nice and we honestly shouldnt. I try to get everyone to last hook before i kill them if possible but dont expect that from everyone. Understand that the tunnelers and campers are the normal and that the ones who avoid it are actively trying to make the game fun for everyone. Be sure to thank your killers if they actively avoid tunneling o lr camping because they seriously didnt have to.
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>I would also like to think I have better things to do than spend 100 hours on a game but you never know.
Lol. So, you don't want to learn to play better, you just demand that the game be made easier for you. Typically.
>Are you suggesting I go to the dark side???!!!!
You haven't tasted the other side's experience, but absolutely sure you know how they should play. Another blind main survivor. No more questions.
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the devs cant really fix cheap strategies like that. the most they can do is give low emblem scores and less bloodpoints. i know camping sucks and is only done by wimps but adding a system like that would definitely be abusable
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That's what I was saying, low blood point scores would stop some of the more intelligent killers from camping, but unfortunately there are some that would do it regardless. Today I saw a rank 1 hook camping and throwing projectiles and a rank 4 wraith making himself invisible by the hook and re appears when someone comes to rescue. For the record the wraith had all 4 escape and the rank 1 had to work to find the last survivor, but truly I can only presume the rank 1 wasn't playing the character they usually do, if they played like they did tonight I think they'd soon be in the teens.
I suspect someone will say it's part of the game and the developers can't rectify anything so I guess survivors will have to put up with it. I'm sure killers have things that annoy them.
No matter what happens, they will never find a balance. Both sides think its against them and the caustic levels on both sides are staggering, but how to address it?
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@Ghost077 I have played both sides, I do spend time playing but I think the game is flawed.
I am not asking for an easier game, if I wanted an easier game there are plenty of other games I could play.
What makes you think I haven't played both sides? I have and both sides have problems. I have one account that I use for survival and another for killer and have found Caustic levels are very high with some players on both sides, so I'm afraid you are wrong to assume that I don't have any experience of both sides.
@PabloLovesMC Its in everyone's interest to make it so that everyone gets a decent amount of blood points on a game. If the game is too short, you get virtually nothing in return. A clever killer would make sure they get points in all categories, I'm sure it would also make for a more interesting game, if you have a short game sometimes it doesn't pay for the add ons you've used and that doesn't do anybody any favours.
Though I do realise some killers are just interested in the kills and not points, so it doesn't matter what developers do. They won't please everyone so they choose to please no one! Personally if I get campers I just block them. Life's too short!
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