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Trickster is STILL the worst killer in the game
It's truly amazing how awfully designed Trickster is, in fact, I'm willing to say that Trickster is pretty much the equivalent of old legion in terms of how awfully balanced and designed their powers are. Against survivors who share a braincell each, then yes, Trickster is good but who isn't against bad survivors? Anything he does can be done significantly better by literally any other killer. Killing survivors because they're in a bad spot? Bubba can do that better, and so can 90% of the Killer roster. Camping? Once again, 90% of the roster can do it better. Trickster is one of the worst Killer's BHVR have ever put out and it really shows with how the community thinks about him.
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I agree I played a match as him and i ######### hated it even though I ran trick blades and the addon that decreases the amount of knives it takes to down. I still struggled and I didn’t hook one guy he can’t loop he can’t down. Just for the record after I rage quit that match I played as trapper and got a 4K in under 6 minutes and people say he’s worse I disagree trapper is actually better than trickster
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I still hate everything about him, I know that much.
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Nope I played a bunch of trickster recently and I do not think he is the worst. Weak sure but worst still goes to myers.
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I disagree Myers may not have map pressure but he’s stealthy and can instadown and his ability does not have a activation window and does not have a short limit and does not get fatigued and have a cooldown after evil within 3 is done
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I very much agree, main event is so bad I can't even put it into words, I mostly just want main event to actually be consistently useful.
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He needs 115 so badly. But then slightly reduced speed when throwing knives to make him less aids to verse.
I still think recoil should be deleted, it does nothing but hinder console players.
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Myers is terrible though. If there is one killer that makes me want to not play this game again it's playing myer's he's f tier in red ranks if the survivors have a brain.
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I dunno about that one man. I do just fine with him. Even against deathsquads I don't go home with at least 6+ hook states. People still just can't figure out how to play him yet.
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Trickster is the only killer where shack feels like an infinite, that's enough for me to put him at the bottom
Tbf I mostly played him before the buff but he didn't feel much better afterwards so I got bored and stopped
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Trickster is still a bit weak but definitely not the ridiculous trainwreck he used to be. His Main Event needs to be reworked tho, like, REALLY reworked. I do feel like he's stronger than Pig, Trapper, Legion, and honestly probably even Myers.
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Pretty much a terribly designed killer, I would say its like twins but those two actually have a useable playstyle that can be pretty good in the right conditions.
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He’s meant to be easily picked up per the objective by the devs. If he was meant to have high difficulty then the reward should match that. On PC he’s ok but he’s seems more of a chore to play than say Plague.
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I agree.
He suffers from the same issues that old Legion did.
If you buff him at all, you run the risk of him being totally broken in chases with no chance for an outplay. With how many knives he has and how fast he throws them, any reduction to the amount of knives needed to down could tip the scales too far.
He's just poorly designed. He has all of the problems of Old Legion without any of the strengths.
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You are giving him too much credit hes not better than any of those killers you listed. All those killers can do better than the Trickster and i prefer to play all those instead. And thats because they all have powers that works and are useful in most situations, while playing Trickster to the contrary you are forced to chase and M1 people instead of using your power.
To me a killer that can't use his power properly and have to forget about it is enough to make him the worse killer in the list.
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He does have a high difficulty, because the vast majority of people that attempt to play him don't even know how to run tiles with his knives, and when to get the knives into people. Also people don't know that he is meant to be played as a killer that excels in finding people out of position, and push them to weak tiles or into a bad spot. If someone is in a bad zone they won't have a chance. Also a lot of bad Tricksters run STBFL on him even though it's the biggest waste of a perk slot on him. He has an incredibly high skill cap, but is dragged down a bit by the fact that his recoil still exists when it shouldn't even be there in the first place. I've yet to play against a moderately decent Trickster. I play him on PC too. In fact if we go off actual stats I have 6.2k full laceration damage on him, and am #4 global with him. So I have sunk a lot of time into him a little too much infact. He's not an easy pickup, because there is very few people who actually know how to run tiles with him in the first place. If people did maybe we wouldn't be in the position where people call him a terrible killer when he isn't. I still think he needs at least to be put up to 115%, and he would be fine, but even then he still isn't an easy pick up, because most people just don't have the mechanical skill to even play him properly to begin with.
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To me, he's just really inconsistent. He has moments where he absolutely shines, differentiating himself from the other ranged killers by being able to shred through health. But, it requires you, the survivor and the map to give opportunities for extended LOS. On maps like Lery's, I may as well AFK because there are so many ways to break los that you are reduced to a no-power-110%-killer. You can make his power better by stacking initial throw rate add-ons. He's a bit more consistent but more add-on reliant.
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If you need to m1 people as trickster in most areas then you are playing him completely wrong.
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Yup, that's the main issue I have with him that I've expressed to other people. Right now he's in an awful spot where his power is both oppressive and incredibly weak. If you leave him as he is now, then he'll end up exactly where legion is, basically no one plays him but if you buff him then he might become overpowered.
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Dude i played him non stop first and second week of release and a few more after the patch, i got the adept on the first day and i play in rank 1. I can assure you that i play the best way possible you can play with him.
And you are wrong with that statement, first because you don't have the need to smack people with M1 but instead you are forced to do it and secondly you really can't use his power efectively in most maps and loops. The trickster is the worst creation made by the devs in all this years.
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The fact that nobody plays him at all makes survivors not prepared, because right now he isn't the worst killer but definitely worse than half of all, and I can tell because my horny soul made me play him every day since his release
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Yes, and I have been playing him since release every single day multiple hours a day enough to get 6.2k full laceration damage lol. I think I've played him much more. There is no reason to get hostile over it. You aren't forced to do it most of the time unless you are running shack. You are better off curving knives at tight loops and needle threading, because more than likely the player is bound to run away after being damage giving you the down. You can use his power just fine in every map besides mothers dwelling, and fractured.
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Wanna know who else can punish survivors who get out positioned? Nurse, Spirit, Blight, Huntress, Bubba, Oni, Hilbilly, I could go on and on, so already on of the things he excels at is done considerably better by many other killers or at least done on an equal level. And because of his awfully designed power, yeah sure you might be able to shred mediocre survivors but even just ok survivors will know to not put themselves in a bad position against trickster and because of that you will have an extremely hard time trying to down people in a quick amount of time due to his extreme weakness with places like shack, cow tree, and jungle gyms.
Wanna know who else can force survivors to bad tiles? Clown, Phead, Demo, Blight, and yet again I can keep going on about how his strengths are already done better by most of the cast. Almost everything he does can be done even better by most other killers. Combine that with the fact that a core part of his power, main event, is so awful that it can be countered by just running around a tall rock or going behind a wall and you essentially just get a much more weaker and situational Huntress/Deathslinger.
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I think he's like the bottom of B tier honestly. Still the worse ranged killer in the game, but he can put some work in. Most survivors try to bully, but they get a nice fist in the face against a good one lol.
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How can you call a power fine when 1 or 2 gens can pop for every down of him? Literally every other killer can have downs faster and do everything else better that him.
Idk if you are trolling, playing with potatoes everyday or playing in green ranks. Because your opinion of him is a universe far from mine. His power its not fine at all and it takes really long to down a competent survivor, and for that reason he is the worst.
There is no balance between his slow move speed and his weak power. He don't excel at anything, i can't believe you are saying he is ok. Oh nevermind i checked your profile and now i understand everything.
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Oh I know that other killers can do it better. I still think people don't realize that you don't want to run strong loops with him. Then again with most of the roaster you don't want to run strong tiles. I do still think he is the worst range killer out of all of them, but it's debatable, because deathslinger is pre drop pallet town, and you pretty much auto win, because of the fact that it pretty much counters him completely as long as people are on gens. Trickster I still think excels in a lot more tiles than the other ranged killers. Huntress hatchets are typically not that hard to juke. Deathslinger like I said he is just pre drop pallets and auto win. Trickster still has a lot more to work with, because he has more ammo, and is punished less if you know how to properly use that tile against with him. He is absolute trash tier at shack I do agree, and I've always said I don't bother at shack with him, because it's a waste of time. I do think main event does need a little bit of a rework maybe with like a 30 second activation window, and 115% and he will be pushed up higher. I just don't think people should put not that much time into him and throw in the towel, and say he is a bad killer when he actually isn't.
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People play this game differently (From consoles/PC to how they interact with other players)
I don't have the heart to unlock the Trickster so I have no experience to say but have played against a few
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Nope. He's not the strongest but not the worst either. I'm enjoying playing him since I got to put some thought into playing him unlike most Killers and he's hot unlike most killers. I know the common excuse is "the players you went against were bad, that's why you 4K'd" but maybe the reverse is true as well... maybe you 0K cause you played bad.
Also there is nothing Legion about Trickster. That's like the most laughable comparison that's been popping up. "He'll eventually get you even if you run him for a bit if he keeps chasing" can literally be applied to every Killer.
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I play at rank 1 against stacked swf's all the time with him, and if 1-2 gens pop before every single down then that's a problem on your end. That just means you are taking too much time to get downs with him. I have no problems ending chases in 10-30 seconds with him. I don't know how I'm trolling? I go against 2k+ teams all the time and the rare deathsquad, and even against the deathsquads. I don't go out of the game with at least 6+ hook states with him. My average chase time with him is literally 10-30 seconds, because I know how to play him properly. 1-2 gens should never happen after a single down if you know what you are doing.
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Yeah pretty much though Idk if they are worse in design then the twins, at least trickster can be kinda fun to play, but he has a bit of a old legion problem of not really have much counterplay even though they arent good.
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Bamboozle is meta on him. I personally don't run it on him, but I know a lot of the other really good Tricksters use it on him, but they play him very differently than I do. You can usually force the shack pallet down pretty quickly with it on him, because survivors usually end up making panic mistakes.
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"and if 1-2 gens pop before every single down then that's a problem on your end"
Haha yeah keep going im enjoying myself here 🍿.. You know what is more funny thought? Find a survivor main that pretends to be a killer. I checked you profile and i understand everything now. I almost took you seriously.
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I barely play survivor? Do you need a link to my stats to see that about 75% of my games are killer rounds?
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There will allways be the worst killer in this game, no matter how strong they get, but they indeed need to give buffs to twin, trickster, ect
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Spirit, Legion, (old and new) Freddy, and Nurse are easily far more problematic designs.
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I don't need any stats when you said something like "My average chase time with him is literally 10-30 seconds" as the Trickster....
Who are the survivors you face? Deaf and blind grandmas? You can't finish a chase that fast unless you are playing with a Nurse and even so if the survivor its competent enough you can't either with her.
If you are so good that your sayings looks like lies then why don't you post some videos instead? Because stats don't say anything, show some videos and then i can tell if you are just bluffing or not. And judge if the survivors were decent or potatoes. Because apparently we are here before the best dbd player in the world.
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A Trapper who doesn't use his power is stronger the trickster and that isn't an exaggeration. Trickster is actually a joke, he isn't just weak he is a literal meme just like old freddy, he is actually weaker than old freddy because at least old freddy could make a comeback endgame, this guy is just trash.
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I don't necessarily doubt them, but yeah, without a video or even what perks they use it's hard to say. From my experience, the build I see with the most success seems to just be regression stacking. If the build is just ruin + undying + pop + tracking/utility, to me that's just an example of how good regression perks are, not how good trickster is.
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Not really, having zero cooldown on his knives means that often when you are able to damage a healthstate you can have 3-5 knives in a target while they run away meaning they go down really fast if they don't find anything. Deathslinger who reloads after every shot just can't do that.
Trickster is a killer with great strenghts but with one debilitating weakness. Shack and other long wall loops are a nightmare to deal with and if survivors are lucky/smart and leave the last gens near those structures then yes you are screwed.
Personally i would make it so single knife tosses do double laceration or make it so he doesn't slow down while holding out his knife without throwing.
Also change his rating from easy to hard. People have the misconception that he's easy because he has a lot of knives but you really can't waste any. If you aren't getting at least 3-4 health states with the standert 60 knives you can't really say anything about how strong he is or isn't.
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He’s not meant to have a high skill cap per the devs. That’s not their objective
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He's definitely a high skill ceiling, almost as if BHVR collaborated on his design with someone with an absurd skill level as killer who designed him for high MMR and as a challenge for themselves *cough otzdarva cough*
I've seen him get 3-4ks in lobbies I've been in but those were lobbies where the brilliant matchmaking put me in the mix with a bunch of rank 20s.
I've seen him get a 3k once against a higher ranked lobby, but he had the addons that reduce the number knives needed to fill his laceration meter and a decent build (M&A is the only one I remember).
I can't play as him, I just don't think the way you need to to perform well as him, stuff like pushing survivors to weak tiles etc.
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Completely agree. And the recoil that he still has just kills him even further for console players. I regularly rotate between killers and I consistently do better with any of them compared to Trickster. Just because you may see streamers with thousands of hours get 4K's as Trickster doesn't mean he's good. They would have done better with any other killer.
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I completely agree with assessment. The fact of the matter though is that the killer IS BAD and overall WEAK. Despite his overall skill-cap being through roof, the rewards for using his power are not good and for average player, they will have absolutely miserable experience playing him. this is why you will continue to see forum posts like this one every day or even every week about him being a very underwhelming killer until they improve him.
people were using stbfl on him in early stages because they were trying to figure out the best perks for him. now a days, I never thought i'd say this, but i am using Iron maiden on him. m&a,Iron will maiden, ruin, pop goes weasel is what i use and he still struggles even with most meta gen slowdown perks. The fact you admit that you need "leave" loops with chasing-oriented power killer is testament to his power being too weak at high-wall loops. The reason why Huntress and Deathslinger work at these loops is because they inflict full health state of damage, so they need very short window of opportunity of line of sight on the survivor to potential land a hit. Trickster needs to land many knives and the slowdown that he has when holding a knife really hurts his ability to chase around those loops when survivors tightly loop the corners.
The idea of abandon chases for split injure pressure is detrimental with laceration mechanic. He is still the only killer that does not control his power-up ability in main event. All the other killers are able to fully control when they active their power except trickster.
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just 4 years left before his rework
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