Tombstone myers
That add on is one big bs easily said I don't need to explain further everyone knows how broken that thing is but yes nerf demo's add ons pls they too op rat liver could use one more nerf
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Which one?
Tombstone piece is broken but judith’s tombstone is fine
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It's honestly a hit or miss with it, I dont think it's that overpowered just because you'll be wasting so much time trying to get to tier three that once you're finally there, the gens could be finished or close to. But yeah I agree with you.
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Yes, the Tombstone Piece could get some Nerf. Tombstone is more fair, it has another Drawback and needs more Stalk than the Tombstone Piece. And honestly, I only see the Tombstone (pink) when people are trying to get the Achievement to kill all Survivors with EW3.
Regarding Rat Liver - the Add On got nerfed, but Demos base Shred got buffed. So overall, if you use Rat Liver, you wont feel any difference. (except that you are using at 100% instead of 101%, but I doubt that you can seriously call that a Nerf)
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Tombstone piece the one he can mori you immediately with
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Yes but no add on should be that powerful to mori you out in second out of game once one surv is out 3 others are screwed
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Both tombstones should cause the mori hand animation change and possibly also have anoter sound cue to notifiy survivors that tombstone is in play, like for example the stalking these should start playing after stalking a survivor for 3s if there is a tombstone.
Other then that, purple tombstone piece should give some movement penalty and have slightly higher amount of stalk required to perform the mori. Pink one is balanced already.
There is enough counterplay for baseline tombstone mechanics, the biggest problem is that the purple tombstone is too fast and comes as a suprise.
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tombstone addons are definitely broken. i think a good nerf for tombstone piece would be to make it so you can grab healthy survivors even if theyre running. itll still be a good addon considering itll save you a lot of time
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Pretty much all Myers has going for him except scratched mirror + lerys offering. I'd be horrified if they nerfed this before buffing him elsewhere.
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If you give him some juice you deserved to get tombstone. If anything hop into a locker and stay away from him.
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This don't make sense lol he can grab me from locker immediately what kind of counterplay is that lmao
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You're not dead and didn't lose 3 hook states instantly, just 1 insted at a place where he would insta down you when using T3 normally.
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That's both of those add-ons. You didn't specifiy which you thought was broken or whether it was both.
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So I should just keep going into 'lockers throwing whole game not doing objective to counter tombstone? You do realize that's no counter that's avoiding of unavoidable
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The point is he can only mori you if he grabs you, you're denying him the mori. So he either stands there waiting for you to jump out, or you get hooked and play the game like normal. It doesn't give him the power to mori on command, only if he is able to grab them. I would think taking a hook by getting grabbed out of a locker is much better than instantly getting mori'ed. Imagine all 4 survivors jump into a locker when Myers catches up to them with Tombstone. It's def a viable counter to the add-on
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No, you should play like vs any stealth killer (there are far better ones) and not get caught out of position - MM needs to literally breathe on your neck to tombstone you.
Memorise locker placements and loop MM like normal, once you're out of pallets / windows, hop into the closest locker since you would go down anyway.
Both of that is very easy to do vs purely M1 killer like Myers, if you fail at that, you deserve to be tombstoned once he got so close to you and charged it for ages losing gen pressure not injuring / hooking anyone.
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You do understand you can't teleport? You're in certain part of map doing gen he pops his tier from random surv and comes to you and what u gonna do about it? There's no locker in 70% map at one loop there's only 1 pallet which u can't greed too much because of how fast he gets in tier 3 all of the things u mentioned are very situational no add on should allow u to just kill survivor out just like that I understand it makes him lose gen pressure but maybe they didn't need to make such a broken add on that punishes both surv and killer most killers just depip doing tombstone
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I wonder how do you actually survivor vs good killers when countering M1 killer is so much trouble for you. I advise you to watch actul good survivor streams and how they obliterate basically all M1 killers in chase, then apply the same to myers and as they say gid gut.
Or go out there, buy Myers and use the damm addons in at least 25 matches, you'll see it's weakness very soon if you get at least a couple competent survivros. But that would be too much effort wouldn't it ?
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Does the Tombstone Piece have the different hand stance too, or only Judith's Tombstone? Wiki only mentions Judith's Tombstone, but it would be weird to not also give it to Tombstone Piece.
Anyways, Judith's Tombstone is hot garbage. At this point, I support re-working both of them because I don't think there's a way to make either of them not trash or not OP.
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Tombstone is fine. It takes forever to charge up. All ya gotta do si hop in a locker and he can't mori you. It's simple. I win against them all the time.
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Ah yes typical git gud instead admitting something is broken
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Tombstone piece doesn't have any kind of tell besides the increase in stalking required. That's imo the main reason it's so broken (also the fact you can use it with fast stalking addons to get a kill extremely early ofc) as a mori of this kind shouldn't come out as a suprise.
JT is actually great vs average team if you use it in a good build. I've probably one of the very few weirdos who uses it very often and I get good results with it but most importantly IT'S SO MUCH FUN. Nothing beats the feeling of playing REAL Michael Myers who just stalks everyone whole game and the gets into real killer mode and just runs around killing survivors instantly. I love it so much and I really really hope it won't get touched in the future of Micheal's balance changes.
All that should happen is give slightly more sound cues to both tombstones and nerf tombstone piece with less MM speed and some more stalk required.
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The typical I'm failing to improve at countering something so I'll ask for nerfs insted so that I don't have to get better.
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Ah yes so ds nerf, iri head nerf etc were completely unnecessary we all just need to git gud? Good to know well I'm glad you're a god at this game good for you leave us mortals to actually fix broken things and improve this game just like we did with ds, object and iri head nerf
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Ahh, you even fail to read what I'm writing, why am I even bothering with you when you're so close minded besides the straw mans you're making.
I've already said several times that tombstone piece does need a nerf as it's too fast and doesn't give any indications that it's in play BUT overall tombstone mechanics have counterplay via awerness, lockers, proper chasing etc. These things are all nothing special and any decent, not even good survivor can preform them, red ranks shouldn't have single issue doing any of this even with how boosted most of them are.
Now I'm about done with you as you're just ranting here, you didn't have single reasonbale thing to say this whole, you're either a new player or just bad at playing survivor. Either way that doesn't matter, I'm off.
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Sure whatever floats your boat we'll have to agree to disagree for me it's broken to have add on more powerful then old mori for you it's not end of story
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I mean, to get regular Tombstone, you need to get a full survivor worth of stalk more, while being a 109% killer. Sure, you could theoretically kill all 4 survivors in one go, but Survivors can finish 4 gens in that same time.
Essentially, Tombstone Myers is trading hooks for instakilling and movementspeed reduction. Essentially, you become an even worse version of Myers, for the sake of killing people by hand.
Tombstone piece Myers, however, has little to no negative consequences. It's able to kill every single person in the match if you gather your stalk wisely.
Tombstone Piece needs a rework. Judith's Tombstone is fine.
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Oh, I'm sure it's fun to goof around with JT and against less adept players it will put up results. I just view it in terms of how it would fair against better players, and in that regard, I think it is awful. I would prefer seeing both get re-worked to being actually good but not OP add-ons.
Also, Tombstone Piece should get the same tell as Judith's Tombstone. It makes no sense to not give Tombstone Piece that tell when it's much stronger than Judith's Tombstone.
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He can't mori you that your angle right there.
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Not 100% sure how this works, but couldn’t he just drop you on the ground and then mori you from there?
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If he hasn't drained you it can be a waste, if I have it I try to get the one who's been stalked the most Tombstone piece needs j Myers to help get most out of it. Full Tombstone needs tuft of hair and play with your food as Michael is very slow from using the add ons and expect to lose 4 gens before tier 3. Theres alot of work and time involved with Michael to get it done, and if you want to do it right.
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Justifying Tombstone add-ons is playing devil's advocate. "It takes so long to get ready." "You can tell he has it because his hand is like this." "You can tell based on how long he took to stalk." "Just break los." None of these matter. Instantly moriing someone out of the game is stupidly overpowered to the point where nothing can justify it. It is old moris on crack, pretty much as powerful as original original moris where you didn't have to hook anyone, just down them. But with these add-ons, you don't have to down anyone, you don't have to injure them, you just have to walk up and press a button.
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I tried using the Judith tombstone add on once and I didn't get to tier 3 until there was one gen left. Personally I find these add ons to be a waste. I can see why people think they're OP but it's not like you're gonna run into them that often.
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Tombstone Piece is broken. Not going to argue that at all - its drawback is barely a drawback and deleting someone from the game two minutes in because Claudette didn't see Myers watching her on a gen is absurd. Judith's Tombstone is a different story.
Is instant mori-ing extremely powerful? Yes. Is it fun to play against? No. But Judith's Tombstone works in one of two ways. Either Myers isn't running it with Tuft of Hair, which means you can survive either by waiting it out in a locker or by looping him for the duration of EW3 - and this is more doable than it sounds, because he's barely better than his T1 speed when he's running this addon. Which is something survivors can easily notice as a warning. He'll also probably not get T3 until middle/late in match unless your teammates are extremely incompetent.
Or he's running Tuft and you can't outrun him; he can wait forever. Except the thing is, if he's running both Tuft and Judith's at the same time, he needs to near fully stalk everyone. He can't just leech off the weak links, he has to spend time tracking down everyone and milking them despite their efforts to block LOS. He can't waste time on actual chases - he's still very slow and they just don't help his objective - so he has near-zero pressure. So Tombstone + Tuft games end up as a race - does he get T3 before the survivors do most of the gens? If yes, Myers wins. If no, he's only getting one or two people max, zero if he never makes tier 3.
It's not going to be a fun game. No matter who wins, pretty much everyone involved is going to depip. But it's not nearly as unbalanced as you're making it out to be. He has to, from the perspective of every other killer, throw most of the game to do this.
I like the tombstones as flavor for Myers - there's a level of tension against him that you don't feel with other killers, and I wish there was more of that. And if they remove the tombstones, they'd create an almost impossible achievement in their wake, especially with Moris being so conditional nowadays too. But I'd much rather see Piece changed into something fundamentally different than Judith's.
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Doesn't Judith's make Myers a 106%, not a 109%?
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correct, I was thinking about the slowdown on T2 Myers(which, honestly, shouldnt slow him down anymore, you can hear him just as clearly as Ghostface and can still read his aura.)
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This post is older than Cleopatra let it go
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"Because it's not that broken" so still admitting it's broken but not "that" broken lol I'm sorry but I don't feel like deserving to get killed in sec because my team butt danced to killer and fed him with power
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Are you even listening to @Kebek he is 100% right. Play normal and use the lockers. That forces a normal ish game. He then has to decide to stand there and wait or just grab and hook both of which are in your favor as the other 3 should be on gens and if you and your team aint trash which ....... ehhh 2-3 gens should be done before he gets it for first time. Problem is too many survivors waste pallets when Mike is clearly just stalking. I notice this all the time with mike I'm gifted so many pallets while stalking for what? Save them for when he's in tier 3 because you never know what he is going to have Unlimited, tombstones, extenders (my favs).
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Definitely not whole match it's only enough to kill one to screw up whole group and he gets to it easily become of random potatos
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I should get good for random teammates? Okay buddy got it
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If u need whole match to get tier 3 also get good
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Best to not tbag a Myers.
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Agreed lol
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Hop in a locker.
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He can instant Mori with both. Tombstone piece immediately resets his T3 to 2 so he has to stalk again after a Mori. Judith's Tombstone allows him to Mori until his T3 runs out (which is almost always used with fragrant tuft to give infinite T3). It takes so much extra stalking and slows you significantly however. If survivors get mori'd they really messed up because getting all 5 gens done should not be hard before he gets tier 3 if you don't just stand there and allow him to stalk you...
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He popped T3 because of you... If he comes after you and you are not near any vaults/pallets/lockers then he got the final stalk from you. You just didn't notice until it popped and alerted you. He didn't get it off of a "random potato" just to come for you lol.
Use spine chill. Then you won't feed him stalk.
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Exactly this.
I played a couple of tombstone Myers last night, was able to stalk up to max in just over 3 gens as the survivors were really unobservant and let me do it. One guy did a great job of breaking LOS but his team literally focused on the gens even with me just staring at them.
One guy butt danced at me for ages after a pallet and I just drained him dry. But no Micheal is apparently the problem.
The same argument over and over again, killer X does this and it means I have to be observant, or cautious, switch up my playstyle or even, god forbid, think!
"I can't just mindlessly loop around and around the same rock and then drop a pallet rinse and repeat, boo hoo. The killer is unbalanced and has no counterplay." Ugh.
Tombstone Myers is the most thematic Myers there is, stalk all game and then go for the quick end of movie kills. If you are observant and play well he shouldn't reach tier 3 till almost game end. At that point you should have racked up a healthy load of BP's that not escaping really aint that detrimental to anything other than the ego.
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Myers is bad and need good addons. Or they can nerf addons but buff base Myers instead.
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Myers is already one of the ######### weakest killers AND YOU WANT HIM WEAKER?
Nerf SWF then
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No, it doesn't function as a Mori offering. If he drops you he does not have the option to kill you. He can only kill you if he gets close enough and the prompt to kill shows up.
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