The 2 most abused words i've seen in DbD forums
"Toxic" and "Free".
For instance:
"using bnp/noed is toxic" - It is not
"Dead hard users get free pallets just by pressing E" - It's not free either.
They brought a perk for it and can only choose 4.
Just accept you lost and move on.
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You forgot things like 'Camping/Slugging/Tunneling is for BAD Killers' - Trying to shame people into avoiding a legit strat they hate. :)
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I do think the word toxic in particular is over used in a lot of places...it's essentially meaningless at this point. I also don't see how using something that's in the game is considered "toxic" - it's perk, it's there to be used, it's a game mechanic, you can use it.
What I do see as "toxic" is rude behaviour in the aftergame chat - slurs, homophobic etc. That's the only thing I would consider as toxic.
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It would take days to give an example of everything my dude :)
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Don't forget "unfun" and "boring," the generic entitled survivor excuse for when they want a nerf for something but have no intention of figuring out what the actual problem is.
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"I also don't see how using something that's in the game is considered "toxic""
Yup, that was exactly the point.
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So there's only entitled survivors? :D
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you say that like there aren't killers who say that holding w/genrushing is "boring" and "unfun" too.
there are entitled people on both sides who just wanna complain it is in no way survivor exclusive
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No, I was saying that entitled survivors in particular tend to use exclusively those words to justify nerfs, as though God wrote in the ten commandments that if survivors don't think something is fun, it shouldn't exist.
What sucks about it is that they generally get listened to (not always though, since the devs would end up gutting killer to the point that they're all blatantly unplayable), meanwhile if killers make the same "argument" the devs generally don't care about it (which can be justified by the fact that the majority of the playerbase would be negatively impacted
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Toxic
Free
Entitled
Boring
Easy
I'd say those are the top 5 lol
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Those are good ones. Personally I can’t stand seeing the word “entitled” anymore, it’s been abused so heavily that it’s now lost all meaning. Anything you do or don’t do will get you accused of entitlement by the DBD player base.
Bonus combination: “You’re not entitled to a free X!”
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this is a complaining about survivors hating spirit comment in a trenchcoat
yes, spirit is boring on both sides and also OP
also don't forget "entitled" and "excuse"
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For me it is "toxic" and "entitled". People really need a thesaurus.
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Okay, just saying again in case everyone missed it, I'm fine with saying somethings "boring" or "unfun," but only as long as they can actually come up with a solution to the actual problem.
If you can give an actual justification other than you not enjoying it, such as the thing having literally no counterplay or the thing completely ignoring the whole concept of risk-reward/skill-reward, then I'm fine with it.
So, what I'm talking about is when people complain about Pig, not when they complain about Spirit.
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“op” is one used quite often
“____sided” is another one.
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I could say the same for some survivors with their favorite words like "no counter play","unfun","boring", "takes no skill".
"Spirit has no counter play" - there is counterplay you just don't want to bother trying.
"This killer is boring/unfun" - I can't adapt so ill complain till the killer gets nerfed.
While killers complain too survivors complain far more.
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No one can deny that Monstrous Shrine is op though.
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If you read carefully you'll realize i wasn't siding anyone.
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Your examples sure made it clear who you were siding with though.
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Just like this one: ""using bnp/noed is toxic" - It is not"
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Well those things are subjective, if someone thinks something is boring or unfun you can't just say "no, you're actually wrong" not that there's any point in saying that in postgame chat or anything
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Well. Yer just Toxic in general! a Very cute and adorabubble toxic lil #########
(Pls no hate. its only joke,)
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Wow you're so unfun and boring 🙄
You're just toxic and making this post for free attention 🙄
(This is sarcasm.)
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Imo, it's probably "Killer/Survivor mains" but meant in a clearly malicious sense.
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noed = adrenaline both are second chance perks.
I don't like when a survivor escapes from me just beceause it has adrenaline. I'm starting to use noed as a fair perk. Because I see so many adrenaline and iron will perk all my games against survivors.
noed to counter adrenaline
stridor to counter iron will
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I've got my eye on you 😉
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Ah Hecc...time to make a wholesome post..
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It sucks but some posts make me react with a bit of an eye roll at words like "robbed" as well.
Because it's usually about getting "robbed" of a kill or escape. While having a mindset where you're genuinely "entitled" to a kill or escape you haven't actually gotten yet is nothing but a recipe for frustration.
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OMG get a grip and move on!
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"No counterplay" is one I've been seeing lately.
Some things in the game don't offer a lot of counterplay options, but there is nothing that is on the level of old legion. Everything in this game has some way to play around it.
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so that means unintended tech aren't toxic right? like body blocking on the new coldwind basements right? its in the game so its not toxic. its a game mechanic whether it was intended or not, it doesn't matter that its unfair or ruins the game for others. that's of no concern to the mods or devs.
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Toxicity is someone saying really ######### things to you just because they lost/you lost
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Not at all, body blocking to hold the game hostage is not a game mechanic - it's in fact against the game rules. I'm talking about actual game mechanics that are intended, what you are talking about is exploits, which are not game mechanics.
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Unfun or not fun. People can't articulate how they feel, or rather explain why they feel a certain way and just say somethings unfun. If someone says some somethings unfun I tune out, opinion now void.
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Its only toxic if you want to be toxic.
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Maybe there are other words we could use to elevate the conversations:
Toxic - pernicious/ virulent/ pestilential/ mephitic/ septic
Free - complimentary/ gratis/ unrecompensed/ comp/ for love
Entitled - Enfranchised/ confer a right/ accredited/ warranted/ empowered
Boring - Bromidic/ Irksome/ trite/ platitudinous/ stodgy
GG EZ - I have had a lobotomy
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I dont know... SWF is tossed around a lot lately, especially on rants.
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"What a baby killer! Get wrecked lul.
I have had a lobotomy
I have had a lobotomy
I have had a lobotomyyyyyyy"
Lmao yep rolls off the tongue like butter 🤣
If someone said this to me I would be deceased
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100% agree. Toxicity is not the odd click of the flashlight, tbag or hit on the hook, it's direct harassment and hate. That's what real toxicity is. It's such an overused word by a lot of people in DBD.
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Broken and unbalanced are the most abused words imo.
Honorable mention to the word "Bias" in all of it's forms as well.
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"camp" and "tunnel" when they dont know what it actually is to be camped and tunneled.
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the reality is this community is toxic and its embarrassing otps take free jabs at the opposing side for playing that side
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Three way tie between Tunneled, Camped, and Toxic. :)
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Sure, but I think there is more validity to killer complaints. There truly is nothing killer can do to squash holding forward, meanwhile survivors are complaining about bad killers like Wraith and Nemesis.
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You're very much missing the point of those arguments.
Edit: I see your follow up post - agreed there.
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Sure, but I think there is more validity to killer complaints
Yeah, definitely, 100%...
There truly is nothing killer can do to squash holding forward
Depends entirely on the killer you're playing. Nurse, Blight, Spirit, Billy, Hag to an extent, Wraith- they all manage it amazingly. Killers like PH, Nemesis, Clown, meanwhile, suffer.
meanwhile survivors are complaining about bad killers like Wraith and Nemesis.
1) Wraith is not a bad killer
2) Survivor complaints around Nemesis involve the serious RNG (Zombies), fact that his best counter is boring as hell (hold w + hold m1 on gens quickly, since his power creates damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't scenarios, limited vaccines make solo absolute hell vs him, and the fact that facing a nemesis kills their game). I haven't seen someone say that Nemesis is too OP, but the counters are uninteractive and there's little skill involved.
Players want to be able to show off their skill, Nemesis doesn't really let them.
Wraith I kinda see why they complain but at the same time the Wraith complaints are kinda... no.
3) You say this like there aren't also a vocal minority of killer players who complain about the hold w meta, but also the looping meta, and also stealth being boring. There aren't a vocal minority who dodge items but complain when they get no value from Franklin's, who complain about tbagging but will spend the next game tunneling, facecamping, and kebabing a rank 20 on hook.
Both sides have extremes and they're usually the vocal minority, because people don't remember the calm majority.
"But there are more complains like this with survivors-" yes because there are more survivor players, full stop. So of course the vocal minority would be larger when there are more of them overall.
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Obviously there are extremes on both sides. The complaints about not being “able to show skill” does nothing for me. Survivor gameplay is based overwhelmingly on knowing tiles and loops: there is little skill involved. That’s why any time survivors are forced to think against nurse and spirit, they complain.
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Actually there are a lot of survivors who enjoy going agianst Nurse because there is a lot of mechanical skill involved. Spirit is less skill more take a random guess and hope they're awful.
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Toxic still doesn't have a defintion for the gaming term (as usual, people that make dictionaries consider modern speech wrong and disregard it). However, it is generally accepted to be the use of game mechanics in order to annoy the other players, without gaining any advantage by doing so.
And this includes flashlight spamming, teabagging, cursing, harassing(using the chat feature to annoy the other side) etc. You are ruining the other's experience without gaining advantages. The keyword is WITHOUT (gaining any advantage). Therefore, certain builds or playstyles cannot be considered toxic, since they still provide advantages.
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"Boring/Unfun" and "Fun" have changed their meanings on these forums due to the context of the majority of posts that use them. "Boring/Unfun" used to mean that there was something wrong with how the game is played vs whichever side, be it too tedious, repetitive, simple, etc. e.g. holding W against m1 killers with no mobility, constant ducking behind cover against ranged killers, or simple looping at tiles that feature no mind-game potential. Whereas "Fun" used to mean something exciting or challenging enough to get your head in the game and rely on your well earned skills and wits to outplay specific opponents.
Nowadays however, because of the overuse of the terms, their meanings have pulled a 180 and are mostly used by survivor mains when discussing Killers. The updated definitions have become
"Boring/Unfun" = Challenging, Harder to go up against than normal
"Fun" = Easy.
For example: "Spirit is so boring", "Huntresses Hatchets are so Unfun to play around" or "Trickster is the funnest killer by far".
Basically When survivor mains are complaining about a killer being "Boring" these days, Whether they meant to go with the original meaning of the term or not, they're mostly seen as just bitching about the killers mechanics, and crying for nerfs because they either can't or won't listen to anyone's advice for how to take up the challenge. Likewise when they say a killer is "Fun" they genuinely mean it, but only because they have an easy time dealing with them in game, and typically don't have to change their tactics, or need any help, because they're winning most of the games they play against said killer. Not Much "Fun" for the Killer in this case, but Survivor Mains don't really seem to give a damn about that.
It's because of the change in these terms definitions that anytime I see a post claiming something as "Boring/Unfun" or "Fun" I just roll my eyes and don't bother checking it out. Likewise If I ever see the titles of posts about a killer stating that they are "Fun", I make a mental note to avoid playing that killer, because I Live for the challenge of the game, and love to present survivors with one, so I don't want to pick a killer that's practically guaranteed to give the survivors an Easy win.
As a sort of evidence of this change in meanings, Posts are still saying that Trickster, Trapper, Clown and Shape are "Fun", Whereas others whine about how "Boring/Unfun" Freddy, Spirit, Doctor, and Wraith are... So take that as you will.
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