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I feel so stupid now
So I just leaned from the Reddit forum that BBQ isn’t all that good. “Meh” seems to be the consensus. I feel so stupid. Apparently everyone only runs it for the BP.
I always wondered why every survivor I play with runs both prove thyself and we’re gonna live forever. Oh wait, they don’t.
Running the most popular information perk in the game and saying it’s for BP is like saying you read playboy for the articles. ######### is OP.
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I only use it for bloodpoints.
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Gotta get those tasty BP.
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I'd love to see them separate it into 2 separate perks and see which one is used more, BP or information.
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You've never used BBQ have you?
I 100% run it for the BP. Killers nearly always get more BP than the survivors, and it's fairly easy to get around 30K. So BBQ makes that 60K. From one match. Good luck getting that on Survivor.
Thrilling Tremors is a much better info perk, and it has slowdown capabilities too. It tells you which gens are currently being worked on, which gives you a gen to kick (bonus for Pop/Oppression) and where there are survivors. Even when survivors get savvy to it and start disconnecting from gens before you pick up (which is much harder to gauge than the hook for BBQ btw) then that means they're not working on gens, bonus.
BBQ often gives you nothing, because survivors are within 40m or in a locker, or hiding behind a gen. It's ridiculously easy to counter.
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You are wrong here. After playing killer for a long time, you don't need BBQ to tell you where survivors are. You pretty much know and can track them easily. Also thrilling is better for that anyway. But, what you do want are those bloodpoints.
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I only use it for BP. If I want to go for a strong build I never run BBQ. Too damn easy to avoid/bait. Killer hooks, go to left/right for 4s than walk in the other direction. Stay crouched near a gen. Go into a locker, stay close the killer's TR... Why people still thinks that BBQ is a strong perk?
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BBQ is so popular because it actively reduces the grind that is especially intense in this game. The aura reading is just a bonus. Also, I don't see how it's OP? It gives an open opportunity for a hook rescue and there are several ways to counter it.
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How good BBQ's tracking is depends on your preferred playstyle. If you or the Killer you're playing wants to basically always be in chase, then BBQ's tracking is literally perfect for you. If you prefer a more methodical and defensive play style like I do, then Surveillance would be better unless you want the BP bonus.
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I only use it for bp as well. Bp >information.
Plus there is way better information perks. Like thrilling tremor.
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I used to tell myself I only run it for BP too. But after running it for years without fail, I decided to not use it for a game. I was left very confused after hooking a survivor and no longer seeing auras... I had to actually think where each survivor could be. Strange thought. Not taking it off again!
It's actually superb for gathering information, even when it doesn't show auras. Also amazing for snowballing.
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I see proove thyself all the time.
I also run WGLF most of the time.
I also only use BBQ for the bps. after I max every character out I'll switch to a more useful perk.
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BBQ is only for the bloodpoints, however it is insanely oppressive on sprit and blight ill give you that.
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Honestly, the information provided by BBQ is amazingly helpful, especially now that the maps have shrunk. I would run it even if it didn't give bloodpoints. The BPs are icing on the cake.
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We need BP!
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Honestly, can someone explain this to me. Why is BBQ, a perk that has multiple counters more complained about the info perks that just don't? If you think BBQ is OP you by proxy have to think other perks are OP.
Surveillance has no counter. Literally. You cannot avoid it. You can only hope the killer is not looking at you when you start working on a gen.
Whispers has no counters, and it's really not that hard to use.
Nurses has no counter, other than avoid healing in the terror radius which is something you should do anyway. And you can't do that against stealth killers or killers with small TR.
Thrilling Tremors has far more accurate info on gens, but I guess its inherent cooldown of a minute makes it okay to survivors.
BBQ has multiple counters, has a set radius, and only activates if the killer is playing well and getting down. BBQ can be avoided, people just don't want to then complain it's overpowered.
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Because of how much it's used, it's one of the first 'secret killer perks' new survivors are made aware of.
They're incredulous that a killer has found them in their secret hiding spot, and outraged that they got killed. So someone says "oh they probably had BBQ, it tells the killer where you are" and they place 100% of the blame on the perk.
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There are so many better I go perks I'd rather be using. Tinkerer, Thrilling Tremors (literally a direct upgrade on BBQ), Discordance, Infectious Fright, etcetera, etcetera.
BBQ really is mostly for the points. Remove it's double BP and suddenly survivors will have a much harder time, because instead of running an obvious and easily counter able, very much so healthy perk, killers will actually use proper info perks.
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I'm not gonna say the aura reading isn't useful-- It is. But there are so many perks that offer much more accurate and valuable information, but they are never complained about and I don't get it.
I remember when I first started playing, a Huntress found me with Whispers and I thought she was hacking.
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I do read playboy for the articles. Don't know what you're thinking of son. 🤣😂
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BHVR could remove the extra aura reading and BBQ's run rate would be exactly the same if slightly less
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BP appart , you have no idea how healthy the perk is.
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I don't just run it for the BP - I personally love information perks, they suit my playstyle...and I love nothing more than hooking someone, and getting that information on where to go next and pressure the map that way. The BP is definitely worth it, and I do like to see those 4 stacks on the perk, that's what I aim for in the games.
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Same. For tracking purposes id rather bring whispers.
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BP is far easier to get stacked when killer. You just have to play the game, while We're Gonna Live...you need to do a more direct thing, same with Prove Thyself.
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BBQ is not OP at all. It's a pretty fair perk that encourages the killer to leave the hook in exchange for an increase in BP and a bit of information. There's many better combos you could use.
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It's all about the bloodpoints
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I have all perks on all killer. So i only need bloodpoints for the newest chapter. I started to remove BBQ on many buils, sometimes i replace it with thrilling (info for pop) or i use a completely different perk.
Most of the time i know where survivor are, so i dont need it. Only with fast killer like Blight or Billy its useful bc i can catch survivor in a deadzone. But i think i would remove BBQ before tinkerer.
And i lost many matches against good teams bc i had BBQ instead of another info perk. On some maps like Haddonfield a down in the middle gives you no info. On other maps you see only the gens which are too far away to stop without mobility.
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I mean killers main obj iS to kill what do you do to kill hook people this perks requires hooks to get value and bp your allready doing that sp why not take the extra bp?
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The reason you don't see WGLF all the time is because you rarely get to use the healing speed, there are a ton of other game changing and insurance perks that compete with it, and getting stacks is too difficult. You have to fight your teammates for unhooks and trying to get protection hits can throw the game.
Even then, survivor averages around 15-20k blood points per game while my killer games average 25-30k.
Meanwhile for BBQ blood points you just need to... play the game normally and you effortlessly get double blood points. The tracking is nice but there are some better options if all you're using it for is info. I'm not saying it's bad by any means but I'd probably use Infectious, Discordance, Tinkerer, Surveillance, or Thrilling Tremors over it on most killers if it weren't for the blood points.
Also Prove Thyself is really bad for blood points because you cap the 8k out really quickly and there is no spillover into the other categories. Unless the killer tunnels you for the rest of the game you're not just going to avoid getting objective points from then on and not be a useless potato.
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Everyone who only uses it for the BP closes their eyes for 4 seconds whenever they hook someone.
Bro I run kindred and you can always tell a BBQ user because they spin around after every hook and then make a B LINE to one of the 3 other survivors.
If people can't even be honest about a simple thing like this it makes me wonder what else they're lying about.
(But no, BBQ is not even close to OP)
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Sometimes I forget to look to see where the survivors are at, and when I do remember to look I can't see anyone.
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bbq cuts the grind in half, and getting stacks is mind numbingly easy since you get then from doing your objective
the aura it shows is so easy to counter and is usually useless if you aren’t playing a high mobility killer
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Yeah i run it for bp.
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What is with all the bbq op posts recently? Do you need another 10 counters for it to be added? I get it's extremely difficult to position yourself behind a gen, or get in a locker, or stay within 40m, or fake going in a certain direction, or run aura blocking perks, or just do nothing bc who cares if the killer knows where you are when they're more than 40m away unless they're a blight or something
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Even if that were completely true, you're still attempting to use it for the aura reading lol
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What do you mean true? Yes you got me I'll look of course, but I don't rely on it any smart survivor player knows just about all killers run BBQ so they'll do one of the counters to counter it.
If I down someone and hook them by a gen that's almost completed I'm not looking for anyone I'll be kicking the gen, breaking a pallet.
So yeah when I do run it most of the time it's for the BP's not the aura reading.
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BBQ isn't actually a bad perk. Its main weakness is that everyone expects it as a default, and people will counter it before they even know you have it. Still. Thrilling Tremors, Bitter Murmur, Surveillance, Nurse's Calling, Discordance, and Tinkerer are all good or great info perks, but BBQ's strength besides the glorious boints is that it points you towards a target at the time when you just wrapped up your last chase and need a new one. The information rarely comes at a time you can't capitalize on it. It's not exactly reliable, because survivors have warning that it's coming, but it'll usually point you towards your next target.
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Yes it's super op, it's not like you can just hide behind a gen or get into a locker when someone gets picked up to completely counter it.
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I use BBQ a lot less now that I don't need the bloodpoints as much. But I do run it on killers that do really benefit from the aura reading it provides.
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The people that say they run it for BP only are focusing too much on one part of it. People run it for both BP and information. If you removed either part of the perk nobody would run it nearly as much. I never ran old WGLF because you can't justify handicapping yourself just for BPs and if it only increased healing for downed survivors by 100% I would not run it either as that is a bad effect. It is the fact that it does both that makes it decent perk.
The difference with BBQ is that as an information perk it is actually quite solid in and of itself(Unlike WGLFs heal) and that combined with the BP stacks which are even easier then WGLFs makes it amazing.
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I run all 3 perks.
Because points matter
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Aside from maybe Gearhead like every info perk is better than BBQ. Without the BP you would have more Tinkerer, Disco, Thrilling, WHISPERS, Nurses, Bitter, All ears, infectious, Surveillance, Spies, hell I would prolly take rancor and stridor over it on most killer but as it's been said "ALL BOUT DEM BLOOD POINTS".
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I mostly run it for the extra points but the info is really nice too.
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WGLF is ran less then BBQ because it's harder to build up tokens on WGLF. Unless you throw the game, it's entirely down to luck whether you can get 4 tokens or not. Meanwhile, with BBQ, you can literally get all 4 tokens by just playing normally. No offense but the only people who genuinely argue that BBQ is OP are people who have very little experience in this game.
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I would run BBQ even without aura reading.
Would I run it if it was only aura reading and no BP? No thanks
Also survivors very often run WGLF, dunno what servers you play on
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The information is a boon and sometime I use it.
The big draw however is 75K BP's rather than 30K BP's at game end.
There is plenty of counter play and perks to counter it.
It really isn't OP.
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BBQ is a decent aura reading perk and I use it in all killers except Pyramid Head for obvious reasons.
When I have all my most played killers at P3 and with all the teachable Perks I'll start to remove that perk in a lot of killer builds.
So in my case is 50%-50% (50 for BP 50 for aura reading).
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I hands down don't care about the BP I use it to see those pesky survivors I'm just more willing to admit I have zero map awareness despite playing survivor more and the odd killer matches
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It is used for the BP. The reason those survivor perks aren't run is because they aren't as good and are harder to get stacks for. Unless you are playing super badly, you are gonna get 4 stacks almost every game. Putting the perk on is basically saying, double my bloodpoints. WGLF is harder to get stacks for as it is too reliant on your team. Additionally, prove thyself is actually a decent perk, but it only gives you extra points in that category, making you max it faster, it doesn't actually increase the total amount of bloodpoints you can get in a game.
I'll tell you now, that as a killer main. Thrilling tremors is far better perk than BBQ and i swap out BBQ for thrilling after i get all the perks when a new killer is released.
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Of course I'm going to use BBQ even if I run it for the BP. I'm not wasting a perk slot, I'm going to look around for an aura if I can find any.
But that doesn't make it better than something like Thrilling Tremors, and it doesn't discount the fact that most of the time you won't find anyone anyway because they're in a locker, or within 40m. And good luck getting anything out of it on Midwich, Gideon or Hawkins if you're anywhere near the middle of the map.
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