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Any love for Counterforce?

CountVampyr
CountVampyr Member Posts: 1,050

Okay, okay, okay. I know that it isn’t the “greatest” totem related perk that we have, but still I have to give it props. There has been at least three times in the last couple of days (I haven’t been using it much, honestly) where I have managed to cleanse a fairly closely guarded lit totem that I wouldn’t have been able to do without that added 20% stacking effect. Paired with small game it can actually make or break a match when the killer is totem dependent. It can be like a knife through butter!

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  • MyNamePete
    MyNamePete Member Posts: 1,074

    true

  • humanbeing1704
    humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 9,091

    According to some people on the forums is overpowered so smh nerf

  • Zokenay
    Zokenay Member Posts: 1,158

    Its a decent perk, but not the greatest, the speed cleansing is the main bonus, since the Totem Location isnt that good, its on the other side of the map which will waste a lot of your time doing nothing, someone else could cleanse it before you, it can still be annoying to find, etc.


    But like you mentioned, paired with Small Game you have a strong Totem Hunter build

  • bobateo
    bobateo Member Posts: 368

    The thing is, Totem Hunter Build isn't that great. Small Game on it's own does the job very well without you needing to zigzag across the map. Detective's Hunch can be an amazing totem perk. Unlike Small Game and Detective's Hunch, Counterforce, on it's own has 1 good point and many draw backs.

    Yes, you can cleanse totems faster, but at the cost of:

    1.) Someone else getting to that totem before you do, meaning you have to hunt that third totem down hard. This gives the Killer free pressure.

    2.) If you're racing back and forth across the map, you're not doing gens and probably exposing yourself to the Killer. Also gives the Killer free pressure.

    3.) Adding Small Game to 'buff' the downsides of CF means you're giving up a perk slot for what is, more or less, a redundant set up.

    The only way I can see that being useful in a match is if you're going to dedicate yourself to finding totems fast and cleansing them all. And likely because you have one of those 'cleanse an ungodly amount of totems to complete this challenge' deals. In effectiveness, Totem Hunter Builds are only good if the Killer is running Hexes AND none of your teammates are also running totem perks. Otherwise, they're pretty useless outside of also using Inner Strength for heals. But with Inner Strength, you're going to want to space out when you cleanse totems anyway.


    But hey, hunting totems is it's own side game. If the set up works for you and gives good results. Run with it.

  • CountVampyr
    CountVampyr Member Posts: 1,050

    All of that is very true, but with small game you don’t need to focus on that long run to the other side of the map. It’s a good final destination but you should be looking for other pings along the way, too. Unfortunately you’re right, in most matches I’m finding the combo wasted. But man, when you can piss off the killer by cleansing his thrill of the hunt or undying just in the nick it’s totally worth it!

  • bobateo
    bobateo Member Posts: 368

    Oh, yeah, I don't disagree. Those matches when you can be Totem Hunter supreme and deny Devour Hope/Undying, Ruin/Undying, or Lord forbid NOED/Undying are great. But IDK, the amount of time wasted to do that in matches that DON'T have those things is just UGH.

  • CountVampyr
    CountVampyr Member Posts: 1,050

    Yes, it is personally very disappointing to have gone through the trouble of cleansing all 5 totems by yourself and the killer doesn’t even have the respect to bring NOED to the party. The nerve.

  • Edgars_Raven
    Edgars_Raven Member Posts: 1,236

    Detectives hunch and small game is probably a better combo. But the speed boost is nice

  • bobateo
    bobateo Member Posts: 368

    Nah, Detectives and SG is way overkill. They aren't very complimentary overall and overlap way too much. Running one or the other with Counterforce is probably way more effective than running them with each other because of CFs cleansing speed.

  • Babawizwiz
    Babawizwiz Member Posts: 347

    I use it whenever im doing those tedious totem archives, bring a map and you can speedrun them very easily, also satisfying to cleanse totems faster.