Killer Players are Kinder Than Survivor Players
Change my mind. My proves from my experiences:
- I saw so many killers let us go when team were played so bad. I am not saying all killer players doing this but i saw so much killer did let us go.
- So many times killers giving last guy hatch.
- When i get 1 or 2 dc, killers did let us fix gens and leave.
- Most killer players writing "gg wp" even they are lose with 4 escapes.
But survivors?
- I never saw they give me free hook when i played so bad.
- I never saw they did make game more slower when i got 1 or 2 hooks with losing 3 or 4 gens.
- So many of them are writing "gg wp" only when they wins. But some of them are nice and writing gg even they die.
- Most killers finishing games fast when they win. But survivors? When they win, they are t-bagging on gates for waste killer's more time.
Change my mind if you can.
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I think the reasons why there are more toxic survivors than killers are:
1. Its a 4vs1. You see more survivors.
2. Survivors know they are the power role MOST of the time.
3. Youtubers and Streamer. Not allowed to name one but there are many big Youtubers who play extremly toxic and act like its all fun and these lil kids try to copy them then.
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Yeah possibly reason is first one, most of community are survivor main.
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I totally get where you are coming from, I usually let the last person go or if they do ask me to go then usually i do let them and get points.
Unless i have ad a bad game beforehand from survivors that have just been so toxic then i just want a good game at least... but then i think what it would be like to play both sides... mainly the toxic survivors are those that only main surv.
Also I am Freddy so most like to be toxic because i am playing a character no one hardly likes.. because of his power in game they just sh*t on the player behind the character... that is annoying especially when you go to one streamers stream after the game and they are being so rude towards you. people forget you are human.
I guess life goes on.
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If you out beat them and 3 or 4K, they insult your mother. If they out beat you and you get no kills, they mock you at the exit gate and then either laugh and insinuate how bad you are, or sarcastically say 'GG WP XD' or some other nonsense.
If you 2K them, and as long as you never go back and check your hooked survivor or tunnel, then its a genuine GG.
When I play survivor and the killer beats me, then i say something like he got me good. If our team beats the killer badly, i don't say anything post chat.
Most of the time though killer or survivor, i gg postgame. I try not to let the prior bad experience let them get to me.
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I suppose some killer players try to be nice to compensate for playing the role of a "bad guy".
However, if they play long enough and don't turn into survivor mains, they stop caring because being nice is rather punishing than rewarding in this game.
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I've given, and been given a hatch escape many, many times.
I have NEVER had a survivor who, after dominating the game left, right, and all-around, has let me down and hook them as a pity kill. In fact, while nearly 100% of survivors will wait at the exit gate or Hatch, I'd say under 20% are waiting there to give me one last pity hit on their way out. An overwhelming majority are waiting there to teabag and deadhard out of the attack.
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Can you please stop putting survivors and killers against each other
I play both sides, i know theres "toxic" people on both sides but dont use them to stereotype the whole community
Some of us just wants everyone to get along and have fun with a game we like to play, posts like these discourages that and you are just adding to the flame.
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I think that this is just confirmation bias more than anything.
There is nothing that makes a person inherently kinder if they happen to be playing killer in the match you're in just because they decide to give a pity escape.
That same player could very well be a survivor in some future game of yours where you are the killer & they do things that you'd consider to be evil.
Trust me, I've seen it.
One time I got this Steve player that left me on hook because he thought that someone else would go for me. He even messaged me with an I'm sorry and all that. I was like it's okay, he was very polite.
Then later that same day I got this Legion that camped me and hit me on hook and nodded at me, etc, I didn't even last long in the chase & there were still 5 gens left. It was the same player, he then messaged me with an ez baby survivor enjoy getting less than 10 k points, seemingly forgetting about messaging me earlier, until he realized, lmao.
I personally think that people need to stop looking for some deeper meaning in the actions of players in a video game. It's not as deep as people try to make it.
This stereotyping doesn't help in improving the relationship of survivors and killers, this whole I saw this and I saw that isn't something good to base judgment on because people are more complicated than an action they did in a particular time.
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I think they're pretty even, tbh.
I've had survivors teabag me at the exit gates, wait until the last second, and I've had survivors stay behind even when I refused to hook them so I'd get at least one kill. I've gotten salty messages from survivors, and I've gotten nice messages from them.
I've had killers hit me on hook and leave me slugged for 4 minutes instead of hooking me, and I've had killers give me the hatch. I don't really get messages from killers, but I'm on Playstation, so that's probably part of the reason why.
All types play either side.
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Unfortunately stereotypes exists because they are true, at least to some extent.
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All I can say is with my 800 hours in the game, I've received significantly larger amounts of toxicity from survivors than killers. I can count on one hand the ammount of toxic comments I've gotten from killers with the worst one being a Wraith saying we all suck and how easy it was for them.
Survivors on the other hand? Oh boy. I can't even type out some the comments I've gotten from them here without getting banned. And for whatever reason survivors love to even leave comments on your Steam profile page. I didn't even know people would do such a thing over something as stupid as a multiplayer game. DBD has opened my eyes.
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- Doesn't explain the disproportionate toxicity you get from survivors. You definitely get more than 4x the toxicity from survivors than you do killers.
- True.
- No comment.
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I'd say they're even. You can't truly say one side or the other is toxic from your own personal experience. It may seem like that because again it's a 4v1 game. Of course it'll be more common to see on the survivor side. But no doubt about it I have seen plenty of toxic killer mains. Both sides have bad eggs. End of story. Not gonna be biased and just say it's more this side or the other.
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Not gonna be biased and just say it's more this side or the other.
It's not biased if that's the truth, nor is it unbiased to say "both sides are the same" and leave it at that. In fact, it may be more biased to say "both sides are the same", because you're equating, for example, a killer camping with survivors sending death threats.
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Can’t say I agree. Maybe in red ranks but anything below that killers usually are very tilted to be honest
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I guess it has something to do with strength among the masses. It is always 4vs1 and the individual in the 4 can most often rely on backup or support from the rest of the group. The lone individual has to present themselves all alone and that, from a psychological point if view, does not "encourage" such behaviour in the same way.
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Whatever the explanation, the fact is there's a disproportionate amount of toxicity coming from survivors, at least in my experience.
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I have to say I haven't got any toxicity the last few times i played. Mostly nothing at all and a few gg when they stomped me. And the one time I answered their gg, after a game with 1 or 2 hooks on a bad/unfamiliar killer (probably plague), with "gg? Yeah not really in a game with 2 hooks in less than 5 minutes". (I maybe also said something about swf since I check profiles) what I got then was several censored comments, "go die"and they would take their gg back. A normal case of "that escalated quickly".
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I just don't see it being correct that people are claiming one side is more toxic because "Oh i witness it a lot more from them." That's one persons opinion on it. Even if many more share the same opinion doesn't make it correct. I've seen plenty of toxic killers. And I've seen plenty of toxic survivors. But people are free to believe whatever they want. I think it's safer to assume it's about 50/50 than one side or the other to just divide this games community even more because everyone just wants to have this "us vs them" mentality. That's where a lot of this toxic spews from.
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A bully does not operate alone they seek to surround themselves with others, so all these people will play survivor. That said the real psychos operates alone and will be drawn to the killer role of course. But there are a lot more bullies than psychos in the world so there will be a lot more bad people playing survivor than killer.
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The opinion is based on personal experience, though. You may have a different experience, and that's fine, but it doesn't invalidate ours (and vice-versa).
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I've seen toxicity on both sides, but I think the survivor toxicity is more memorable, because they're in more of a position to bully the fifth player, where as toxic killers can do things that are annoying and unsportsmanlike, but it's much harder for them to trap you in a situation where they just keep taunting you.
It's also true that killer players are more likely to let survivors escape than survivor players are to let the killers kill them. But I think that's partly game design -- psychologically, it's a lot easier to drop someone on hatch than it is to stand there and let yourself get hooked. Even though it essentially costs you the same thing (ie bloodpoints), there are a lot of elements of the game that make "getting killed" seem like more of a negative outcome than "letting someone escape."
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Could you elaborate?
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Sorry, but this is just another thread that further divides the community.
Simply, nice people are nice and others are what they are.
I'd argue those that main only one side have a higher rate of ignorance than those that play both sides.
Also killers get to decide how the game is played, what tactics will be used, etc. So they have a greater chance of negatively impacting a person's game, if said person dislikes the tactics used. What can survivors do to control the game besides play immersed?
Not that any of this should ever warrant nasty messages
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Survivors could easily hold the game hostage by hiding at some remote location. The only way a killer can is if its one survivor left and he body blocks him from escaping a tight corner. Slugging all the survivors and letting them bleed out is not holding the game hostage; its douchey yes but you bleed out in 4 min.
I've had 2 occasions of survivors holding the game hostage by hiding; 1 took me idle for 45 min. for survivors to finish the gens and escaping, the other took 15 min but would have taken long if I were not able to locate them hiding.
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I definitely feel like survivor players are more understanding. A lot of times if the odds are really stacked against the killer like it's a bad map and they're playing a bad killer a lot of survivors will call it out and apologize. I've never been a survivor playing on Wrecker's Yard with a Ruin Spirit and have the Spirit apologize, killers just don't care at all but survivors seem to care more.
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I've actually tried to let the killer kill me many times, but lots of them just don't want the pity kill. Some appreciate it, especially if they're working on the challenge, but most of the time, they motion for me to leave.
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Yes, that is what I said. That is the only thing they can do to control the game.
And we all agree it's a ######### thing to do.
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""Also killers get to decide how the game is played, what tactics will be used, etc. So they have a greater chance of negatively impacting a person's game, if said person dislikes the tactics used. What can survivors do to control the game besides play immersed?""
No, this is what you said. 🤥
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Bs
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Yes, and the only control survivors can do is play immersed. That's what I said.
What are we debating?
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I wouldn't say that. Could I do slugging Nurse as a survivor? I think not.
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Literally every post of his is the same iteration just framed in a different way.
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Basically been my experience. Went against a nurse on haddonfun the other day and she got absolutely rolled. Tried to give her a sacrifice after the others left and she just carried me to the exit instead.
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That’s rare. Check this forum which is majority killer mains. All I see are insults and telling others to get better at game.
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I see both. As a survivor main if the killer has had a bad time I will walk to hook and keep pointing to get a kill - they always shake head but I tried. I've never teabagged at gate,I sometimes just leave me item as a tc to killer. I do not farm and try my best during the match as if I throw match just because killer is struggling it's not fair on either of us. I can't gg as on console but if I Vs a ttv and live if i lose I gg them. I have never gg when I've won. I do see some toxic survivors though. I've also seen my fair share of toxic killers who face me repeatedly hitting me until I got 2nd state or die just because it took a while to down me. I've also run into some great survivors and killers. Not everyone plays the same.
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I give killer a few hooks sometimes at end game if I feel bad or if point offerings are on the line. Though some killers:
- DC before the end if they aren't playing well.
- Sit in a corner.
- Not hook the survivors.
- Will sweat their ass off to kill that survivor who literally gave them a free hook (had that happen too many times).
Both sides are kind, though I feel like killer has more opportunities to be nice than survivor. Also if survivors give an offering (usually an item) then the killer might let them live, but the killer can't really offer anything to the survivors.
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Well I just yesterday gave Bubba mercy kill just because game went horribly wrong by him and he also tried to do adept. Didn't get any hooks and I felt bad for him so I let him to hook me and stayed till the end because he didn't want to hook me again after I got unhooked.
There is some survivors who does that and there is killers who goes for 4k not giving hatch. It just depends which kind of player there is, not that all survivors are douchebags and all killers are kind.
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My grandmaster had a saying in martial arts when it came to anything competitive where you could win or lose.
He said to us, "You can never win everything all the time. Nor will you lose all the time. What matters most, is winning or losing with dignity and honor. "
That has always stuck with me. That's how I chose to play. I will always say gg regardless of outcome. Camped, tunneld, tbagged, looped it does not matter. This game is too random to think you can win every game.
Remember my friends. At the end of the day it's just a game.
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Disagree completely. Played both sides enough to see that both sides are toxic in most cases. At least in game. Humans are humans it doesn't matter which side they play.
The only reason people think killers are nicer is because they are not that loud in chat and messages. And the reason for that is they are outnumbered. Not because they are nice.
Pvp games are full of toxic people in general and nice people are nice regardless which role/class/characters etc etc etc they play.
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In-game actions like slugging, camping, tunneling, teabags, and flash light clicks are nowhere near as toxic as the slurs, profanity, and threats that happens in end-game chat & outside the game.
Killers as far as I can tell from my 800 hours do not engage in such awful beahviour as much as survivors do. Hell I have seen more survivors sending toxic and hateful messages to fellow survivors than I have seen killers sending it to survivors.
Killers are largely silent. If they talk at all its only to say gg.
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Killer:
- Vast majority don't. I have let more survivors escape as killer then I have had killers let me escape. I have played 1000 hours of survivor and only 100 of killer.
- This is the same as 1. Again, no, vast majority don't.
- I have had that happen exactly once. I have played 1000 hours of survivor and only 100 of killer. Most killers smile when this happens because they know the game will be super easy. Go figure.
- Nobody says gg when they lose on either side.
Surviver:
- That is not the same. 3k is still a win. 3 escapes and me dying is still a loss.
- I don't see killers letting me complete gens when 2 people get hooked either. Also killer is at their strongest with one gen left.
- Nobody says gg when they lose on either side.
- This one is actually true. but survivors don't tunnel or face camp so were even.
All in all I rate this 0/10 and rate the entire community on both sides 10/10 for toxicity.
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This subject is completely anecdotal, but here are my findings over the course of three months of playing the game as a solo survivor main:
Snotty post-match comments from fellow survivors: Roughly two dozen
Snotty post-match comments from killers: Zero
To cover the other elements of this discussion: I HAVE had some nice conversations with fellow survivors after the match. Just brief "wow, that was a fun game, that was tricky", etc., that kind of thing. Not often, but it happens. Even so, I've still gotten probably twice that number from the killer. "You guys were really good", or "that was a close one, GG", or "you made a great opponent, gl in your next match", that kind of thing. I've even had a killer apologize for not being better, or admit to having made some mistakes to which I always let them know that hey, nah, you were good!
Similarly, I've been given the hatch probably half a dozen times, and carried to (or just allowed, as they stood and nodded) the exit gates. To be fair, unlike someone else said, I HAVE in fact had a survivor or two offer themselves to be sacrificed, tried to repay me for letting them farm, and I wouldn't have it.
Generally my ratio of receiving "GG" after a match has been roughly even.
As a survivor I never teabag or mock the killer with gestures, if I get the exit gates I just pass by the players who are doing that. As killer I enjoy letting survivors live and always try to nod at them at the exit gates whether they realize this or not. When I do this, if the survivors seem to catch on that I'm deliberately being merciful, they WILL often stop with the teabagging and whatnot and nod back before exiting, or sometimes even offer their item as a thank-you.
So really, it's a mixed bag. In my experience killer mains are far more vocal and defensive here on the forum, but in-game survivors tend to be far more immature. In the end I think it often comes down to the individual, and the circumstances.
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I'm definitely that survivor that is empathetic and I will die if the match went bad for the killer. And 99% of the time they're very grateful and send a message if we're on the same platform. However I have had some situations where I try to be nice and allow them to hook me and then they face camp lol
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I’ve run into a equal amount of horrible people on both sides. You’re bound to see more toxic survivors since there is 4 per match vs the 1 killer.
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I mean, it makes sense that you in particular would see a lot of that.
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That is your experience. That is how it felt to me when I was in newb ranks. I can't agree with you.
If he's tunneling camping or slugging with 4 or 5 gens left he might deserve a little haha tbag. He tried to go the way that sucks fun from the game so you have a right to get a little of that back.
If I'm not hard up for a win or working on the archives for something I have no problem playing with a newbie killer so they get some points. I play kind unless given reasons not to. I understand being behind on hooks compared to gens and can forgive A camp on me if im not tunneled. That isn't even a hard and fast rule because most of the time I play I want to get out of the game when I can cause my buddy is waiting either having been killed or escaped while I hung back to help.
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I think some killers are chill, but others are terrible. I had a Nemesis refuse to end game when I was the last one. He didn't want to hook me, nor could I escape. As a killer I'm generally nice, but honestly depends on my mood.
I think most people are the same way on both sides. I don't see end game chat (Switch), but I could imagine the messages received from both sides.
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Killer:
1.) I've also seen a lot of high ranked Killers get paired up with me (green, sometimes purple) and 3 other yellow survivors, absolutely demolish us then laugh and taunt in post game chat. Killer taunting in general, ime, happens only a bit less often than surv taunting. This is likely due to every match containing 4 survs to 1 Killer.
That said, the vast majority of post game chats are either ggs or nothing from anyone.
2.) Eh, I would say 'so many'. For me, it happens in about 1 out 15 games or less.
3.) Not always, or even often. Some do and I appreciate it. I usually offer to be sacrificed in matches like that because it's just a crap time for everyone involved. That said, most DC games play out as 'normal' - everyone that stays just trying to play the game and get out of it what they can. My personal preference is when a Killer lets us get just a gen or two done and then resume as normal. Sure, we'll probably lose, but at least it's a salvageable time for all remaining.
4.) No, they really don't. As with point one, Killers are just as likely to be exceptionally salty in post game chat. Especially if there is even 1 BNP or a couple (not even on every surv) 'second chance' perk.
Survivors:
1.) I do it all the time unless I have a challenge that requires me to escape. Unless the Killer insists that I leave (which happens about half the time), and then I leave.
2.) Not sure what you mean here. I'm guessing you mean you haven't gotten very many hooks, but 3-4 gens have gone. The only thing I can tell you is that Survs, perhaps especially in solo Q, are usually well aware of just how fast a game can snowball for them. Sure I can give you a hook because you haven't gotten many, but then you decide to camp/slug/tunnel and suddenly that 4E goes to the 2-3K. It's a lot easier for a Killer to capitalize on Surv goodwill and trust than vice versa.
Do you know how many times I've had a Killer let up on a team when we're getting hammered with 4 or 5 gens left? Exactly 1 and they admitted in post game that they thought we were SWF and when they realized we weren't, they throttled down. I was solo and have no clue about the other 3.
3.) Honestly, this sounds like a lot of confirmation bias. What I see are generally survs writing gg and the Killer sometimes responding. Or the Killer saying gg first and then the survs respond.
4.) I mean, the only way Killers can drag out a win is either let everyone bleed out or 'dribble' survivors and then chase them again. Both of which seem like a lot of effort and a waste of time compared to t-bagging at the gate. But I will also point you to the many Killers that refuse to accept less than a 4K and will in fact let survs do the full bleed out on the ground while camping them in order to keep them from getting up and to get the other person.
I doubt anyone is going to change your mind. These are opinions likely shaped by personal experience, what you've read, and likely some confirmation bias. Which is fine. We've all got that.
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