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Bad Players Playing Killer
Why are Killers in this game becoming worse at playing? It's like all they do now is Camp, Tunnel, or just Slug Survivors. Like some games, I get in the start and finish before a Generator is even touched, and if one is even being worked on. Now I play both sides Killer and Survivor but, I do play Survivor a bit more and with friends, so an SWF team but, when I do play as Killer I don't do any of that because I know what that feels like as a Survivor but if by chance I do it is because of two things one being that they have been chosen towards the end of the game and I want them to be the one to leave the game by the Exit Gate or two they block my attack to save someone else. I just need to know how come Killers are now being absolute trash at this game than what they use to back when I started playing this game back when they released Stranger Things DLC.
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Likely because survivors can finish 60% of their objective if 1 person knows how to loop, game is pretty easy if all you need to do is hold M1. Run DS or keep crying, funny stuff.
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You started playing when stranger things came out?
Oooohhh.... that was pretty much the only highlight of something good happening to killers.
I don't want to put on this impression of survivors are easy, but... they kinda are.
For killers it's a bit more stressful to keep up with these really fast gen times
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They getting kills that way. They're not getting worse, they're getting better at killing.
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Sorry I have to say you're completely wrong. Anyone who Camps, Tunnels, Slugs can't play the game and you need to learn to take an L. Stop with the garbage plays again I also play Killer but as I said I don't play this way and I end up double pipping or almost double pipping.
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Idk how it is more stressful unless you're making it stressful for yourself because I don't have any issue playing Killer to get a 4k same goes for my friends who play Killer. If you're playing and stressing out while playing as Killer then don't play Killer
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People can play how they want, I conditionally use those strategies all the time even after x amount of hours, all thats changed is when I use them
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Probably because you are playing in a SWF and the killer can sense it.
If im playing killer and I sense a SWF using comms and I'm getting rolled, I'm gonna tryhard by using 'dirty' tactics.
Post chat will be toxic as well.
I'm not Otzdarva or Umbra or any other top killers that can still get 3-4k from a coordinated SWF squad.
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If you're in the looping game with one survivor then that is your fault you need to learn how to break away from the chase when going against a good survivor. Also, you talk about survivors holding M1 and Running Decisive Strike even though I rarely see Decisive Strike when I play Killer or when I have Randoms as a Survivor but let's talk about Killers just using M1 and ignoring if they have other abilities other than M1 or about the half a dozen perks that make them pretty OP even ones I use but and the end of the day I am fair in my games
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I don't really judge anyone on skill. But these cheaper tactics are noticeably more prevalent and ensure that at least one person will be singled out from gameplay, which is a dick move imo. Anyone who gets chased directly off hook twice after cleansing a totem or finishing one gen and leaves the match with under 10k--or sometimes under 5k--bloodpoints has every right to feel cheated.
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So what you're saying is that you're bad at that game and can not find other ways to get better at the game gotcha
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The meta shifted. Survivors do gens faster and artificially extend chases with no skill by holding W. This has the side effect of nerfing snowballing, which is how killers used to be able to win.
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Then learn and get better at the game just like them watch youtube videos on how to play without having to use those cheap tactics because at that point no one is having any fun but with the fact of me playing with friends and using comms doesn't mean that we are talking tactics we don't even really say who the killer because we know what the sounds are that they make and can make out who it is without any issues so if you're playing the game like garbage then again either learn or don't play killer
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It's just simply hilarious that people have turned to camping as blight, the highest mobility and most efficient vanilla killer in the game, at 4 gens. People simply don't want to try for more than one kill they'll take it, ruin the game and depip anyways because they don't pressure.
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I don't know why, but let's nerf Spirit again, that should fix the problem. And if not, throw Hillbilly and Legion into there as well.
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FACTS
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Well if I was actually saying that I probably would have just typed it out myself so no I don't think that's what I'm saying, What I'm actually saying is that I use it more sparingly rather than as my only strategy, and due to it being "conditional" that means its never done without reason or cause and potentially its never done at all but varies depending on the match. The main factor is just playing in response to the survivors since they control the early game but killers control the mid - late game I feel its a good compromise to play in response to how they play, their early objective play decides how they want me to play my objective. This is what I would argue is the fairest way to play while still playing to always win
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You can't dictate how other people play. I mean, you can come on the forum and demand it all you want, but most of the players you're facing aren't even on the forum to read your posts. Even if they were on the forum, they wouldn't change the way they play just because you asked them to in a very impolite manner.
If you want change, tell BHVR to change the way their game is structured. It's not good game design that tunneling a survivor out is the best way to slow down gen repair. There are lots of tactics that aren't fun for either side, but the game encourages people to adopt certain playstyles. You're claiming pretty much every killer is playing a certain way, which suggests the problem isn't the players.
The answer isn't to tell players they're trash because you don't like how they play. The answer isn't to punish people who play in a way you don't find fun. The only way to change players' behavior is to change the game and the tactics required to win.
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Let me guess, you lose to these "trash" players quite regularly don't you?
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Mathematically the game is heavily survivor sided. Holding shift + w, not using any pallets, not using any windows, not using any perks, no looping, no nothing, it will take the killer 47 seconds to down you. Factor in the time it took to find the survivor, picking them up, walking to a hook, and hooking them. You easily add 15-20 seconds, which makes it 62-67 seconds And you probably just lost 3 gens by the time you can even walk to the next survivor even if you knew exactly where they were.. Rinse and repeat.
At the highest level play, only nurse is viable. Watch any tournament, and if the killer is not nurse, they will heavily camp and tunnel the first survivor because it is the only way to lock in kills.
The recent tru3talent vs oracle matches made a lot of survivors realize this, so red ranks generally is just shift + w now.
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The points I see being made here is that:
1. In an SWF you are querying if a gen is even being worked on...
2. Apparently killing all survivors before 5 gens are completed make you a bad killer?
It sounds more like an issue you and your friends have than who you are facing?
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Proof how toxic survivor mains are over killer mains, especially those that rely on playing in a SWF as a crutch.
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That just put on the impression that you don't truly play killer.
You will get some okay matches at low ranks, but at high ranks it truly becomes a different topic
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Solo queue is not easy, at all. You have to deal with so much bull.
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Eh. I mean it can be bad but I don't ever have a worse time than playing red ranked killers
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You know how it goes. "I never have to tunnel, slug, camp and I still 4k as killer" coming from someone in green or lower ranks, or just plain bullshit. You don't 4k all your games at high rank without AT LEAST the occasional slug, tunnel, camp. Like you mentioned before I as well don't start with none of these tactics I go for the 12 hook and yes there are games where I win using the survivor rule book. You can't do that every game not to mention as I have said in other posts not every killer uses just their main. Truthfully speaking you have no idea if the killer is at his best unless there is something in his profile showing his top killer. For Instance I got the twins ritual last night "chase for 180 or 300 seconds with twins" can quite remember the time but the challenge should say chase with Charlotte because Vik don't count towards the ritual. I had 20 minutes before the new ritual came out and I needed to clear the spot. So I never used vik to get it done in one game. Got a couple to death hook and they barely got out against a killer with no power. Get a message your trash.....I tried to explain what I was doing but they no care and said we would beat you in a custom as well.......Okay now that I want to see (killer my choice, with perks my choice, I'll take those odds) sent him request, got message back "We don't have a fourth sorry" which I responded "That's convenient lmk when you do". Can't tell you how many people I run into who can't think outside their little bubble. When I destroy a killer my team usually starts the "man he sucked speech" which I politely say look at the perks, how he played in trial, it's clear he don't use him/her often if not at all. We should have won. just like OP can't see outside his own SWF, run anti-tunnel, slug, and camp perks that is what they are there for. They won't it's easier to cry when you die.
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I don't want OP to think we're bashing on them. We're not, but we always get the "killer is so easy" which it is at gray and green ranks, but the moment you start going it, it changes drastically. I was rank ten at one point and I'm stuck in a limbo of purples and reds.
I had to sweat hard to do okay, but I can't win at all on Coldwind I hate that map so much, it's so unbalanced.
What map has a jungle gym close to the killer shack and the slaughter house? That tile spawn was just destined for me to lose
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Depends on the killer. If it’s wraith, spirit, cannibal for example, you can have an easy game and relax as those killers are extremely simple.
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Nemesis, Huntress, Deathslinger, Trapper, some other killers
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Why would you feed into that? That 1v1 me shtick is so 7th grade.
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1v1? That is ######### but they asked for a custom match against the team, that's a rematch which I would gladly take against anyone unless they just beat my main/s which if that happened you get "GG WP. You/You guys were great."
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Most left after gen rushing speeds 🤔
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I'm not trying to harp on you or anything, I just don't get why you'd take them up on the offer when they were already pretty tilted. It just seems better to explain yourself (which tbh you didn't even have to do, but I do the same thing too) and move on.
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Wraith, Spirit, and Bubba I can tell you dislike. That's ok we all have killers we hate to go against but to dismiss any skill with these killers that the player has is just trash. Even the most basic powers you still need to learn how to use, WHEN to use, and know your limits. Now this is of course based on not just the basic camping versions of these killers. I am referring to playing a normal game. Spirit takes more skill than people think, she is a complete different play than the other killers, you can't see survivors using your power and now you can't hear either since they buffed a already powerful perk (IW), nerfed a sub-par perk (stridor) just because of one killer. If that's how things are going to go then expect a nerf to star-struck because Nurse/Doc are powerful with it, Let's nerf infectious thanks to Oni, see where I'm going with this?
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True. I tried that first and to be 100 clear I have never went into a custom with a team I just played. They offered I accepted but as I said they dipped out.
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But.. Camp, Tunnel and slugging Survivors is a tool of the Killer, BHVR even said its okay for the Killer to do their worst-
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I've accepted that I'll play how I want as killer. Ive been enjoying Devour Hope/Haunted Grounds/Undying/NOED or BBQ. I like to give BPS or cakes since I know they're not getting a lot of BP once they are mori'd.
Slugging/tunneling will help a person win. You can play to have fun like my build, but its not going to be better lol
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I don’t dislike Bubba at all, he’s very fun to go against, sans face camping. None of this means anything to me, I used to play spirit and Bubba a lot, I’m a bad killer and could reliably 4k with both, especially spirit. Again, I’m not good at killer and found them easy to play. Took 1-2 games to adjust to spirit’s power, after that it’s a breeze. If I can do it, anyone can, I didn’t even have the best perks. This was at red ranks btw.
Ex killer main, but thanks for calling me trash based on a wrong assumption.
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Whoa....Did not call you trash. I said dismissing skill of these killers is trash. Now more to the point you say your an ex-killer main so that tells me you were killer a while ago. Things change, meta changes, maps change, the game is different then when I started a year ago. You being able to 4k with spirit has nothing to do with others experiences. There are two many factors in game experience between player to player. Ranks, maps, level of opponents, perks of said opponents, and most of all intelligence of said opponents.
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Taking an L by playing to your standards of Survivor fun is bad advice. Killers play however they like and if gen times only allows them to single out one Survivor, so be it.
The argument for casual Survivor fun is always made in regards to swf & sweaty plays, but what about the casual killer experience. Not every killer is rank 1 material.
Guess everyone needs to shut it and get gud.
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It was this year, only a couple months ago that I was playing spirit. It’s completely fine to say survivor is easy (when solo queue is literal hell), but as soon as you say even some killers are easy, the pitchforks come out.
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You are unlikely to consistently win as killer without some form of camping, tunneling, and/or slugging. They aren't "no skill" just because you don't like facing them. As nice as it would be to 12 hook every game, it's just not reasonable if your goal is to win.
These tactics aren't auto win either. A killer who commits too hard to tunnel out a single player can still lose even though they ended up killing that 1 survivor. A killer who hard camps the first survivor he hooks can still lose if the rest of survivors just do gens. Slugging takes much longer to kill survivors than hooks and it's much easier for survivors to rescue slugged survivors than hooked ones, meaning slugging without immediately pressuring another survivor can backfire heavily.
You just have to be smart when you use these tactics. Camping a person on the hook, because it also allows you to defend a 3-gen setup is a smart play. Or camping a person, because the other survivors are all trying to rush the hook is a smart play as well. Tunneling out someone on death hook to force the game into a 1v3 is smart, especially if you know that survivor messed up and touched a gen or started to heal someone disabling their possible DS.
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Some killers are EASIER than other killers is the proper way to say it. Easy, Brain Dead, no skill, etc are the words/phrases I dislike/disagree with and have been pretty vocal about in my time on the forums. Now I play survivor too I dislike being camped and tunneled just like most do but I do at least take the time to look around and investigate whether they are doing it for strategic reasons. Two hooked near each other, multiple gens in area, just some examples where as quite a bit of survivors just cry on the hook and send hate. Quite frankly play your game and relax. In the end it's a video game that people get bent about....Does anyone really expect to tell the other player what to do? With the game that they paid for? NO.
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4k = no problem??? I guess your killer rank 15-20 ?
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The pipping system needs a total overhaul IMO. It's far too easy to camp and tunnel your way into red ranks as a killer. For what is supposedly the best, the gameplay generally revolves around the easiest method of achieving a victory.
It'd be far nicer if the devs implemented further safeguards to encourage better gameplay on both sides beyond perks. Borrowed Time and Decisive Strike feel too required. Gen slowdown feels far too required.
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Killer win chases by holding W and bloodlust. See how bad the "hold W" mentality is?
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Hopefully OP plays against or with a good team sometime before the game's demise.
Reading through their replies on the topic really demonstrates their ignorance towards high level play.
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Some people like to play like if they don't 4k they will die in real life. Whatever to each their own, killer is much more enjoyable if you just play the game and don't worry about killing everyone. less stressful too.
Sometimes I win and sometimes I lose, but I still sit at rank 1.
Slugging at 4-5 gens on nurse... it's whatever, but kind of just a waste of everyone's time.
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Very poor rebuttal.
As killers build bloodlust, gens are being done.
Every tier of BL hit is 15s off a gen, with extremely weak killer players often relying on Tier 2-3 BL to score hits on strong tiles as BL1 still doesn't compensate for their inability to run said tile.
Killers that actually rely on BL often trade .5-1 (or more) gens for a down, depending on if they required BL for both hits.
Conversely, following someone that's just holding W is also giving survivors free time on gens (especially if the person you see is initially outside chase range) - if that is the only person in view and you decide not to commit, the time spent finding another is also additional time to crank out gens.
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Very poor rebuttal.
Dont waste time on people who know you cant get fast then, go pressure the gens that are being done.
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And when the whole team knows how effective it is to do this?
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