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im just gonna come out and say it

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  • katergames
    katergames Member Posts: 43

    i'm not even sure how a nerf would make him harder? Do I hate M1 billys and M1 huntresses and M1 LFs? yes. But what nerf would make him harder?

  • katergames
    katergames Member Posts: 43

    P.S. not trying to be argumentative, just curious what your thoughts would be on that @friendlykillermain

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @katergames said:
    i'm not even sure how a nerf would make him harder? Do I hate M1 billys and M1 huntresses and M1 LFs? yes. But what nerf would make him harder?

    i thinking along the lines of shorter lunge and maybe reduced movement sped but definently higher time penalty when crashing into objects because that is not enough

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @katergames said:
    P.S. not trying to be argumentative, just curious what your thoughts would be on that @friendlykillermain

    its fine youve been a really respectful commenter

  • BoxingRouge
    BoxingRouge Member Posts: 606
    Nerf a viable killer? Enjoy your longer que times.
  • Weederick
    Weederick Member Posts: 1,080
    edited October 2018

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Weederick said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:
    Grab some popcorn and wait for the next "so many nurses at rank 1" complain thread. XD

    yeah at least on ps4 nurse games are fun if rare

    Ask PC player how "fun" it is to play against a decent Nurse. ;)

    thats a whole nother topic i want no part in partly because nurse is hard to play and billy isnt he just isnt

    Really? Isn't he? I have trouble controlling the jerk of the saw. I know it is a me problem, because other people seem to not even feel it, but I find it hard to play him properly and I am always frustrated to be unable to play him to his full potential, because I miss to many saw hits.

    your not not supposed to kill wityh your chainsaw only run your cattle hammers lunge is more than enough to take out everyone ignore the saw as a weapon and only as a sprint an billy becomes too EZ PZ GG

    You're losing to M1llys, just saying. They beat you with billys skillfloor, which is quite low granted (Brief mobility). You REALLY shouldnt lose to M1llys, on pc we beat those guys easily.
    His skill comes from downing survivors and if you cant do that reliably, you're not a good billy. I try to master every killer and billys flick is imo the hardest mechanical aspect in this game. You can train aim for huntress, throw andes for clown, get the timing for blinks. But that crazy sensitivity curve is unique to billy, you have to get a feel for it and if you dont play him for a few days, you'll get rusty and need to relearn it.

    Calling him easy is admitting you never play him.

    i play ps4 and he si a bit easy to play high mobility and for attacking a long lunge with a dull

    A M1lly is just an A-B tier killer. He's not S-tier unless you chop down survivors consistently.

    Could be the lack of viable killers on console, but take it as an appetizer if you decide to switch to pc against real, viable killers.

    But, tbh, i do think he is a little overtuned in general. Just a little bit, he comes from another time.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @amneoss said:
    Billy is not easy to master.
    Is he as hard as Nurse, Spirit, or Huntress? No.
    But saying he is easy is just a lie. The saw takes practice.

    yes the saw takes practice but what about his lunge his base movement speed his time penalty these need to be adresed.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Weederick said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Weederick said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:
    Grab some popcorn and wait for the next "so many nurses at rank 1" complain thread. XD

    yeah at least on ps4 nurse games are fun if rare

    Ask PC player how "fun" it is to play against a decent Nurse. ;)

    thats a whole nother topic i want no part in partly because nurse is hard to play and billy isnt he just isnt

    Really? Isn't he? I have trouble controlling the jerk of the saw. I know it is a me problem, because other people seem to not even feel it, but I find it hard to play him properly and I am always frustrated to be unable to play him to his full potential, because I miss to many saw hits.

    your not not supposed to kill wityh your chainsaw only run your cattle hammers lunge is more than enough to take out everyone ignore the saw as a weapon and only as a sprint an billy becomes too EZ PZ GG

    You're losing to M1llys, just saying. They beat you with billys skillfloor, which is quite low granted (Brief mobility). You REALLY shouldnt lose to M1llys, on pc we beat those guys easily.
    His skill comes from downing survivors and if you cant do that reliably, you're not a good billy. I try to master every killer and billys flick is imo the hardest mechanical aspect in this game. You can train aim for huntress, throw andes for clown, get the timing for blinks. But that crazy sensitivity curve is unique to billy, you have to get a feel for it and if you dont play him for a few days, you'll get rusty and need to relearn it.

    Calling him easy is admitting you never play him.

    i play ps4 and he si a bit easy to play high mobility and for attacking a long lunge with a dull

    A M1lly is just an A-B tier killer. He's not S-tier unless you chop down survivors consistently.

    Could be the lack of viable killers on console, but take it as an appetizer if you decide to switch to pc against real, viable killers.

    i know pc definetly has more variety because theyre viable on ps4 playing nurse huntress spirit is much harder and people dont have that much patience.

  • katergames
    katergames Member Posts: 43

    @friendlykillermain said:
    i thinking along the lines of shorter lunge and maybe reduced movement sped but definently higher time penalty when crashing into objects because that is not enough

    I think the only thing I maybe agree with is the reduced movement speed. That would make sense considering his chainsaw is so fast. slightly slower movement speed would balance that out. but I see what you're saying.

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Peanits said:
    ModernFable said:

    He’s probably around where most killers should be and just bring others to his level, that being said.

    Hillbilly should have his speed reduced to 110%, to match other killers with movement powers.

    I didn't want to be the one to say it, but those are my thoughts exactly. You can traverse the map way faster than other killers and have an unlimited instant down. 4.4 wouldn't hurt that bad.

    Still, I don't really have a problem with the hillbilly anyway.

    what about his time penalty for crashing its almost non existent shouldn't it be a bit longer?

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @katergames said:

    @friendlykillermain said:
    i thinking along the lines of shorter lunge and maybe reduced movement sped but definently higher time penalty when crashing into objects because that is not enough

    I think the only thing I maybe agree with is the reduced movement speed. That would make sense considering his chainsaw is so fast. slightly slower movement speed would balance that out. but I see what you're saying.

    yeah because with his movement speed right now and that lunge his ability to close gaps and deny loops is very efficient too efficient

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @katergames said:

    @Wolf74 said:
    Ok, now I know for sure that you are just doing troll bait.
    Pretty sad.

    lmao what. I'm not a troll, I'm having a discussion. I actually can't juke the chainsaw, for me it's the hardest killer to sustain a chase with....

    Sorry, I quoted the wrong one… my bad… i correct that.

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959

    @friendlykillermain said:

    your not not supposed to kill wityh your chainsaw only run your cattle hammers lunge is more than enough to take out everyone ignore the saw as a weapon and only as a sprint an billy becomes too EZ PZ GG

    Ok, now I know for sure that you are just doing troll bait.
    Pretty sad.

  • ScottJund
    ScottJund Member Posts: 1,118
    Weederick said:

    Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.
    If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

    The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.
    Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.
    On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

    Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).

    Bro you should not be getting looped 6 times around anything with a 110% killer
  • Khalednazari
    Khalednazari Member Posts: 1,433
    edited October 2018
    I actually thought that this was the first 'coming out of the closet' thread. Disappointed. Title misleading. Baited. 
  • Weederick
    Weederick Member Posts: 1,080

    @ScottJund said:
    Weederick said:

    Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.

    If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

    The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.

    Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.

    On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

    Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).

    Bro you should not be getting looped 6 times around anything with a 110% killer

    Depends on the size of the loop. A really short loop can be looped a lot. I dont count the amount of loops, but its a lot more than a normal killer for small loops.

  • Blueberry
    Blueberry Member Posts: 13,671

    While killers in general do needs buffs. I have always thought billy was way too forgiving. Object bumps barely phase him and him being allowed to cancel the chainsaw mid sprint whenever he wants with almost no delay is a little too much. I mean look at the delays bubba gets compared to billy.

  • Kind_Lemon
    Kind_Lemon Member Posts: 2,559
    edited October 2018
    If survivors play perfectly, the killer will never win. Killers can 4k after making tons of mistakes/mismanagements if survivors aren’t perfect. It isn’t an issue with Hillbilly, it’s an issue with the game.

    Edit: spelling correction
    Post edited by Kind_Lemon on
  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832
    Billy needs no changes, he is the most balanced killer in the game, just loop him.
  • Boss
    Boss Member Posts: 13,616

    Good for you to have an opinion! :)

  • Bug_Reporter
    Bug_Reporter Member Posts: 673

    @friendlykillermain said:
    Hillbilly is overpowered and probably needs a slight Nerf in terms of for lack of a better term "skill"
    braces for impact of a thousand angry comments

    Spirit > Hillbilly, where are the OP posts? I dont see any, #########!?

  • AChaoticKiller
    AChaoticKiller Member Posts: 3,104
    You know when I first saw this post I thought he was going to come out and say he's gay. I'm not the only one right?
  • MyNamePete
    MyNamePete Member Posts: 1,053

    @friendlykillermain said:
    Hillbilly is overpowered and probably needs a slight Nerf in terms of for lack of a better term "skill"
    braces for impact of a thousand angry comments

    Explain what exactly is overpowered about him, then we could have a well thought out and ######### argument about it imo

  • Khalednazari
    Khalednazari Member Posts: 1,433
    AChaoticKiller said:
    You know when I first saw this post I thought he was going to come out and say he's gay. I'm not the only one right?
    No, you are not.
  • yeet
    yeet Member Posts: 1,832
    Bug_Reporter said:

    @friendlykillermain said:
    Hillbilly is overpowered and probably needs a slight Nerf in terms of for lack of a better term "skill"
    braces for impact of a thousand angry comments

    Spirit > Hillbilly, where are the OP posts? I dont see any, #########!?

    Sprirt doesn't even come close to hillbilly stop kidding yourself 
  • Lumi83
    Lumi83 Member Posts: 66

    LEAVE BILLY ALONE :'(

  • ScottJund
    ScottJund Member Posts: 1,118
    edited October 2018

    @amneoss said:
    ScottJund said:


    Weederick said:

    Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.

    If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

    The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.

    Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.

    On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

    Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).

    Bro you should not be getting looped 6 times around anything with a 110% killer

    Bro not everyone is as good as you bro.

    Look Scott I love your streams. Best Huntress by miles. And it's cool to see you getting Spirit up to your Huntress skill.

    But you have to realize that most of us aren't you, Marth, Tru3, or Monto.
    You are far better than 99% of the killer player base. Judging everyone by your skill isn't fair. I know you'll try to be modest about your skill but inside you know how good you are.

    Dude I'm not even remotely humblebragging. You just go around corners tightly. That's it. You can't be looped 6 times around anything. It doesn't take skill at all.

  • Weederick
    Weederick Member Posts: 1,080

    @ScottJund said:

    @amneoss said:
    ScottJund said:


    Weederick said:

    Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.

    If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

    The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.

    Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.

    On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

    Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).

    Bro you should not be getting looped 6 times around anything with a 110% killer

    Bro not everyone is as good as you bro.

    Look Scott I love your streams. Best Huntress by miles. And it's cool to see you getting Spirit up to your Huntress skill.

    But you have to realize that most of us aren't you, Marth, Tru3, or Monto.
    You are far better than 99% of the killer player base. Judging everyone by your skill isn't fair. I know you'll try to be modest about your skill but inside you know how good you are.

    Dude I'm not even remotely humblebragging. You just go around corners tightly. That's it. You can't be looped 6 times around anything. It doesn't take skill at all.

    Scott. If i say 5-6 in that context, it could also be 4-5. I dont think that matters, we know how badly you can loop slow killers. And a billy cant break loops, so he gets looped for twice as long, which would be game losing, as billy is just efficient enough against good survivors, but he wouldnt be if he gets looped even harder. Thats my point about billy and 110%, not wether its 4-6 exact loops. Its a lot of loops, aight? Not very fitting for billy. Alright, gn8

  • SovererignKing
    SovererignKing Member Posts: 1,273
    edited October 2018
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cz8CYXQWXL4&t=200s

    Yeah, cause this Billy totally wrecked me and the rest of my team. Those super quick saw charge time add ons made him so OP. “BiLLy OP, PLZ NURF!!!” 
  • preetygoodforumsofar
    preetygoodforumsofar Member Posts: 81

    billy are not op but i did agree he is not balance

  • Wolf74
    Wolf74 Member Posts: 2,959
    edited October 2018

    @SovererignKing said:
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cz8CYXQWXL4&t=200s

    Yeah, cause this Billy totally wrecked me and the rest of my team. Those super quick saw charge time add ons made him so OP. “BiLLy OP, PLZ NURF!!!” 

    4 min juking and looping and escaping in the end, yea, totally OP.^^

    And ofc the 2nd chase with 4 missed chainsaw attacks.
    With all his OPness the Billy got 1K... yay, plz nurf! :D

  • Peasant
    Peasant Member Posts: 4,104
    Hillbilly does not need a nerf. There are enough pallets and obstacles on most maps that let you discourage saw use. On top of this you can (with enough practice) dodge the saw. The only maps where the saw is a real threat are the Coldwind Farm maps, but those are his maps! If BBQ is your concern then run to the downed survivor! Just practice some more and everything will be okay.
  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    TigerKirby215 said:

    @F5arTheB5ard said:
    So all killers should suck besides the nurse?

    Nurse also needs a heavy rework tbh don't @ me. She completely ignores the core concepts of this game. In a game based entirely around running around map props her power is to ignore map props: what?

    On topic: Hillbilly could honestly be 110% MS and no one would bat an eye (except for the salty killer mains.) He has the best mobility ability in the game and an instadown; moving slightly slower when not using the Chainsaw wouldn't be that bad.
    When you compare it to Spirit (she can move slightly faster after standing still for 3 seconds! Oooooh!) Billy is way more powerful. Yet Spirit is 110% and Billy is 115%.

    This guy /\.... "in game based around running around map props"... it certainly shows that survivors have forgotten stealth... nurse loses vision every fatigue she gets.. also it doesnt hurt to actually think outside the box when going against her... iron will cripples nurse because she depends on hearing.. I understand that when going against a God nurse most  times you'll get your ass beat but hey most times when you play as wraith and go against a 4 man SWF you'll get your ass beat..... so why cant the killer side be rewarded for mastering the best killer in the game that is difficult to learn... like a noob cant just hop on nurse and 4k all the time like zubat or marth88
  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    friendlykillermain said:

    @katergames said:
    I've never tried playing billy seriously, only for dailies. Maybe I'll give him a shot and see if he's that easy because he's so powerful. I remember having some trouble tho in just doing dailies. but I definitely agree that the nurse takes a ton of skill and practice.

    im telling you billy took my 1 hour of practice before i shot up ranks only problem was it isnt fun to win the sme way everytime and when you play survivor i can only imagine what true survivor mains fel on ps4 against the endless onslought

    Keep in mind ranking up is like potato right now... it takes nothing so noobs and all who shouldn't be up in the ranks are there so....
  • Bravo0413
    Bravo0413 Member Posts: 3,647
    Weederick said:

    Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.
    If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

    The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.
    Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.
    On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

    Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).

    This /\ he has nothing to counter loops... he has to beat you to the pallet or cut you down before you get to the pallet which is only the case when you're in open areas really... if you're at jungle gym or pretty much any gen you dont need to worry about the one shot honestly... 
  • MegaWaffle
    MegaWaffle Member Posts: 4,172

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @F5arTheB5ard said:
    So all killers should suck besides the nurse?

    no they're are still many viable candidates but from my personal experience hillbilly is just too easy to reach high ranks and on ps4 surviving will always put you against a hillbilly not even kidding 98% hillbilly match he is too easy to play completely effectively

    The problem is no one knows how to dodge the chainsaw and yet its so easy. I'm not saying this to brag or to make myself sound like the best player out there but I consistently hit rank 1 (yes its easy we all know) and its so incredibly rare I get hit with a chainsaw. There are so many simple tips to avoid it, even against "good" billy players.

    1: Never run in a straight line
    2: Stay away from choke points/bottle necks
    3: Fake direction if the Billy is chainsawing from a distance
    4: PS4 simply use 360/fake 360's
    5: Don't run in predictable patterns
    6: Remember if they have missed 3 or more chainsaws then with that time they wasted they could have (most likely) hit you with that mallet already! If you get hit by a chainsaw on attempt #4/5/6/etc then you have effectively been hit with a regular melee twice already.

  • Dr_doom_j2
    Dr_doom_j2 Member Posts: 869
    ScottJund said:

    @amneoss said:
    ScottJund said:


    Weederick said:

    Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.

    If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

    The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.

    Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.

    On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

    Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).

    Bro you should not be getting looped 6 times around anything with a 110% killer

    Bro not everyone is as good as you bro.

    Look Scott I love your streams. Best Huntress by miles. And it's cool to see you getting Spirit up to your Huntress skill.

    But you have to realize that most of us aren't you, Marth, Tru3, or Monto.
    You are far better than 99% of the killer player base. Judging everyone by your skill isn't fair. I know you'll try to be modest about your skill but inside you know how good you are.

    Dude I'm not even remotely humblebragging. You just go around corners tightly. That's it. You can't be looped 6 times around anything. It doesn't take skill at all.


    I'm pretty sure Weederick was being facetious to make a point. M1 killers can be looped to a detrimental degree much easier, especially for those of us who DON'T play pc where you can more easily hug tight corners. That doesn't mean that the player should allow that to happen, they should just avoid bad loops then. I also don't think billy would work at 110%, I think his nerfs would need to come from somewhere else, because his power isn't the best tool for contestong loops in the first place. His miss/crash cooldowns could be slightly more punishing, for instance. Would make M1illy less viable, but also not ruin the core of the character.
  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @Dr_doom_j2 said:
    ScottJund said:

    @amneoss said:

    ScottJund said:

    Weederick said:

Billy doesnt work with 110% movespeed, since he cant deal with loops. If you ever got looped as hag or huntress, you know what i mean (5-6 loops thanks to hitboxes), but billy has no means of countering it.

If that went live, he would drop down to mid-low tier to be THE MOST loopable killer in the game by far. That wouldnt be fun, since he would just be deleted from the viable killers.

The devs could rather focus on making him even more unique. Keep the strong chainsaw, but give him appropriate drawbacks. I always thought about him beeing the loudest and most aggressive of the killers. A savage.

Give him global, directional sounds. Everyone should hear exactly where billy is, when he is using his chainsaw. That would balance his map control (mobility) with survivors map control (knowing where he is) and also close the gap between swf and solo survivor. As SWF can communicate where killer are, which makes them op, but against bily, you know it anyways.

On top of that, double his cooldown and nerf his addons.

Just my 2c, i hope they wont just nerfhammer him mindlessly (like flickremoval).



Bro you should not be getting looped 6 times around anything with a 110% killer

Bro not everyone is as good as you bro.

Look Scott I love your streams. Best Huntress by miles. And it's cool to see you getting Spirit up to your Huntress skill.

But you have to realize that most of us aren't you, Marth, Tru3, or Monto.

    You are far better than 99% of the killer player base. Judging everyone by your skill isn't fair. I know you'll try to be modest about your skill but inside you know how good you are.

    Dude I'm not even remotely humblebragging. You just go around corners tightly. That's it. You can't be looped 6 times around anything. It doesn't take skill at all.

    I'm pretty sure Weederick was being facetious to make a point. M1 killers can be looped to a detrimental degree much easier, especially for those of us who DON'T play pc where you can more easily hug tight corners. That doesn't mean that the player should allow that to happen, they should just avoid bad loops then. I also don't think billy would work at 110%, I think his nerfs would need to come from somewhere else, because his power isn't the best tool for contestong loops in the first place. His miss/crash cooldowns could be slightly more punishing, for instance. Would make M1illy less viable, but also not ruin the core of the character.

    i feel the same dont ruin his core concepts but also dont make him so esy to play witha slightly slower speed and linger time penalty for crrashing a lot of undeserving R2 illys would go backto the rank 15s they are

  • friendlykillermain
    friendlykillermain Member Posts: 3,162

    @MegaWaffle said:

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @F5arTheB5ard said:
    So all killers should suck besides the nurse?

    no they're are still many viable candidates but from my personal experience hillbilly is just too easy to reach high ranks and on ps4 surviving will always put you against a hillbilly not even kidding 98% hillbilly match he is too easy to play completely effectively

    The problem is no one knows how to dodge the chainsaw and yet its so easy. I'm not saying this to brag or to make myself sound like the best player out there but I consistently hit rank 1 (yes its easy we all know) and its so incredibly rare I get hit with a chainsaw. There are so many simple tips to avoid it, even against "good" billy players.

    1: Never run in a straight line
    2: Stay away from choke points/bottle necks
    3: Fake direction if the Billy is chainsawing from a distance
    4: PS4 simply use 360/fake 360's
    5: Don't run in predictable patterns
    6: Remember if they have missed 3 or more chainsaws then with that time they wasted they could have (most likely) hit you with that mallet already! If you get hit by a chainsaw on attempt #4/5/6/etc then you have effectively been hit with a regular melee twice already.

    true dodging the chainsaw is easy however against a actually skilled billy it is very difficult as they will pressure you into a corridor then cut you down. but if theykept the skill requirement but brought up the floor it would balance a lot of the game.

  • Bellysmacker
    Bellysmacker Member Posts: 58

    @friendlykillermain said:

    @Wolf74 said:
    Grab some popcorn and wait for the next "so many nurses at rank 1" complain thread. XD

    yeah at least on ps4 nurse games are fun if rare

    I love playing nurse but there are far to many games where the FPS drop when teleporting that you can't hit a wall in front of your face. I am rank one and some games she works but many games its just a frustrating disaster. I have even been experiencing problems with hag with fps drop during teleport as well. Huntress was having some issues today to making hatchet throws pretty useless. I am hoping its related to this event because that's when huntress/hag lags started. Nurse has always been a hit or miss for me.

  • powerbats
    powerbats Member Posts: 7,068

    My only real issues with Billy are that unlike Bubba his collision penalty is really low even without using addons for that. He also can charge his chainsaw up and have normal movement speed which given it's super low cd is nuts. He can simpyl charge at you, stop the charge and be on your tail holding charge and you're pretty much toast at that point.

    He really needs to be some slower base movement speed 110 instead of 115 and also be penalized for simply holding his chainsaw in the air charged endlessly.

  • Bellysmacker
    Bellysmacker Member Posts: 58

    @Freudentrauma said:
    Hillbilly is fine as he is right now. Mostly because Survivors are still way too strong. Only if they will ever be brought down to a Level on beatable level for most killers, then they might have to touch Hillbilly and Nurse. But that will take a long time until we hit that point.

    I would think Hillbillys base speed at 115 isn't reasonable. He can sprint across the map faster than anyone and even one shot with the chainsaw. Other killers like hag/huntress/nurse/spirit all get speed reduction because of their ability because the devs say they want you to use the ability and not just chase. Seems fair for hillbilly to get a 110 movement speed since his ability is basically sprint burst and an insta down.

  • Swiftblade131
    Swiftblade131 Member Posts: 2,051

    Dunno.

    Not like he is super hard to face or learn.

  • SuperiorityComplex
    SuperiorityComplex Member Posts: 63
    Why does @friendlykillermain and @katergames sound like the same person? haha 
  • Attackfrog
    Attackfrog Member Posts: 1,134
    This discussion is bonkers.

    I have played level one Billy with no add-ons or offerings and 4kd and 0kd against varying survivors.

    This game has an awesome learning curve. If you are teamed well and know how to counter Billy, you will do fine (I have seen it).

    If you don't  understand mechanics and fail to counter, you will die. 

    His speed is only a benefit in the right hands. It's a hindrance in the wrong.

    The nerfs you suggest would cater to the lowest denominator and would alienate those survivors who are good against him (like a participation award).

    This is just another thread in a pvp game from someone crying for more handouts because he does not do well in a specific scenario. Let's move on.
  • dannyfrog87
    dannyfrog87 Member Posts: 568

    @ModernFable said:
    He’s probably around where most killers should be and just bring others to his level, that being said.

    Hillbilly should have his speed reduced to 110%, to match other killers with movement powers.

    gtfo. no he shouldnt. its how he excels with map pressure. hes fine as he is. just because you cant bully the killer or troll him they should be all at billys level. i stopped playing anyway as i got bored. but when i did billy was the go too because of great map pressure. he can still be looped to death anyway like all killers lol.

  • OGlilSPOOK20
    OGlilSPOOK20 Member Posts: 716
    Dude I'm a Survivor main at Rank 1 and yes I do see a lot of Billy's but he's not a huge problem for some of us "Good" survivors, hell I've even kicked a bunch of Nurse's floaty ass in high ranks.

    Billy isn't OP in my opinion, but very much add-on depended to be really good. Have you ever faced a Billy without add-ons before? Very easy to juke right!

    Some of you survivors that are having a difficult time playing against him need to learn how to use the environment around you against him.

    Fake vault a window, fake a pallet drop when he revs the chainsaw (play red light, green light with his ass) force him to hit you with his hammer, when he revs the chainsaw behind you just fake a 360 to make him stop and create a gap between you 2 so you have time to dodge it.

    Hell ever since Wraith buffs he's way more annoying to play against then Billy!

    Silent bell, Bone clapper bell and Windstorm on top of Windstorms with a built-in Windstorm and the Body blocking... That's wayyy crazier to play against.