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Why are we calling Paragraphs chapters now?

ProfoundEnding
ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334
edited August 2021 in General Discussions

For the longest time, the devs and the game had made the terminology pretty clear. A paragraph is a DLC released with only a singular killer or survivor (Leatherface, Bill, Ash), and a full Chapter is the release of at least two characters (a killer and survivor) and usually a map.

However, Ghostface and I'm pretty sure now Pinhead are being released/advertised as full chapters despite the fact that they were not accompanied by a survivor or map.

Do paragraphs just not exist anymore? Has the terminology changed? I can't think of a reason why those characters wouldn't be advertised as paragraphs like Bill, Leatherface, and Ash were. If a Dev or Mod can clear this up that would be great! It's pretty confusing.

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  • Superyoshiegg
    Superyoshiegg Member Posts: 1,493

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    GhostFace is apparently considered Chapter 12, despite not being referred to as such at all on the Store page (at least on Steam).

    So it's not a first.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    But that's basing the terminology of those DLCs solely on the time they released and not what is contained within them. Which is rather silly in my opinion. I'm sure none of us would care if this was called a paragraph, despite the fact that it is released normally when a "chapter" is.

  • GoodBoyKaru
    GoodBoyKaru Member Posts: 22,840

    But considering how the developers no longer use the term "Paragraph" I don't see why they'd suddenly bring it back for Pinhead?

    As can be seen below, Left Behind is unofficially renamed Chapter 3.5 to fit in with Leatherface and Ash vs Evil Dead.

    Leatherface being Chapter 5.5 after having been renamed.

    And Ash Vs Evil Dead having always been known as Chapter 11.5, since this was released after the decision was made.


  • Sackboy123
    Sackboy123 Member Posts: 472
    edited August 2021

    The Devs have said before a Chapter doesn't have to just be a Killer, Survivor and map. It can be just one killer, one survivor or a Killer and Two Survivors or Two Killers and a Survivor. Nothing is set in stone, a Chapter can even be just a map if they wanted to

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    I'm just curious as to why they got rid of it to begin with. Unless they think it could have hurt their marketing to call it a Paragraph.

    I couldn't imagine that anyone would get mad if they didn't call it a chapter.

    I just think from a literal standpoint, a chapter is larger and obviously contains more contents then that of a paragraph. So it made sense to market those smaller DLCs as such. I'm just confused as to why they abandoned that terminology.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334
    edited August 2021

    I understand that they have that standpoint now but they didn't used to and I wonder why they changed their minds all of a sudden.

  • fogdonkey
    fogdonkey Member Posts: 1,567

    Why does it matter how they call it?

  • WretchedElk
    WretchedElk Member Posts: 311

    Not necessarily. A paragraph by Proust is more than likely longer than a chapter written by Jo Nesbo (who is a hack).

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    It doesn't. But this is a public forum where we discuss many things that don't matter on a larger scale, but it can fun, interesting, or just informative to talk about.

  • Sackboy123
    Sackboy123 Member Posts: 472

    It was said during the Year 3 Livestream just before Ghostface dropped or it was during the Stranger Things livestream before Chapter 13 dropped. Can't remember which one

  • Mat_Sella
    Mat_Sella Member Posts: 3,557

    Paragraph is a stupid name, thats why.

  • SMitchell8
    SMitchell8 Member Posts: 3,302

    Ghostface had no map or survivor, talk about a half baked chapter.

  • Alphasoul05
    Alphasoul05 Member Posts: 601

    3 months and all the content you get in a chapter amounting to one killer and 3 perks, and pretty much nothing else is absolutely pathetic regardless of what you want to call it.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    I kind of agree. Even if they couldn't get the rights to a licensed map or survivor, an orginal would be just fine.

    Although they did say they were gonna slow down on doing maps since they're updating current ones (even though we didn't get any more updated ones this patch).

    And supposedly we're getting a new survivor for the mid chapter so there's that.

  • Emeal
    Emeal Member Posts: 5,461

    If the Developer want to call something a Chapter, they can do it. Ill still call it a Paragraphs.

  • GentlemanFridge
    GentlemanFridge Member Posts: 5,897

    And Chapter is not? It makes sense. Paragraphs are bodies of texts within Chapters. The entirety of the game could then be called Book, or Tome.

  • fogdonkey
    fogdonkey Member Posts: 1,567

    I see, I thought there is some important reason why you asked it.

  • Nicholas
    Nicholas Member Posts: 1,956

    It matters bc the expectation is that every three months we get at least one killer and survivor. The fact that this is the second time a chapter release contains just one without a killer is sad. I would rather see an actual full chapter release and stuff like GF and PH released between the big chapters. Ig they are running out of ideas so the interval between releases may even increase or chapters will simply refer to major updates. "The Winter Chapter launches with one new perk for $1.99 in the store." The biggest disappointment is no new maps for the last year and only one more for the next annual cycle.

  • Jasix
    Jasix Member Posts: 1,245

    Doesn't matter to me what the updates are called.

    I understand why it is just a killer - licensing. I am pretty sure part of the deal for Cenobite/Pinhead was that he release by himself since there is no licensed survivor being released with him. Waiting 6 weeks for an original survivor is fine with me - means less of a rush to get all of Cenobite's perks as well as the survivor perks.

    People saying "the expectation is...." that is a self-imposed expectation and not one that BHVR has ever said they would stick to.

    Whatever happened to wishing for less content so they could work on game health... ever stop to think that by releasing JUST a killer that is also allowing them to work on other issues behind the scenes? I swear - it doesn't matter what BHVR does - people will always complain on these forums.

  • FancyMrB
    FancyMrB Member Posts: 1,250

    I started playing in 2018 and the pinhead chapter was the first time I heard 'paragraph' used.

    I don't pay the closest attention to these things tho :P

    Maybe it was changed to keep things simple for new players coming in?

  • VolantConch1719
    VolantConch1719 Member Posts: 1,255

    Ghost Face and Hellraiser are not Paragraphs due to the timing of their releases falling in line with the normal release schedule. That is both the short and true answer. Is it disappointing? Yes, but disregarding the truth just because it doesn't fit your narrative doesn't change the facts.

    As long as they don't do what they did with Ghost Face and release Pinhead as a full-priced chapter, I'm not going to complain (and yes, Ghost Face was almost 8 dollars at first, I have no idea when they changed it, but I very clearly remember paying that much for him).

  • JawsIsTheNextKiller
    JawsIsTheNextKiller Member Posts: 3,385

    The way things are going , it won't be long until we receive a chapter that has no map, no killer and no survivor.

  • Superyoshiegg
    Superyoshiegg Member Posts: 1,493

    SteamDB says that the Ghost Face DLC has always remained at the same price since launch barring occasional discounts, that being $4.99 USD. Even in my own currency (AUD) it has always remained the same price at $7.50.

    You may be misremembering.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    Not sure if you're referring to me or just some of the comments on this thread, but I'm not complaining, I just want them to call it a paragraph or admit they don't use that term anymore.

    DLCs shouldn't be named based upon when they release but rather what is contained within them. At least that's my opinion and it makes more sense.

  • Lord_Tony
    Lord_Tony Member Posts: 2,109

    I don;t know why they don't give pinhead another paragraph

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789

    The major patch is always the chapter, rather than the DLC in and of itself, but usually the DLC is named as such for easier means.

    There is a leak from a good source suggesting that we're getting a non-licensed paragraph in the midchapter anyway, so it'll end up evening out.

  • ProfoundEnding
    ProfoundEnding Member Posts: 2,334

    I would not consider releasing DLC with just one character a major patch. A major match to me would be a killer, at least one Survivor, and a map (or a map update).

    So it made sense when they called their smaller DLCs a paragraph rather then a full Chapter. The time of release of said DLC shouldn't decide what the DLC is called.

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789
    edited August 2021

    If it's a killer with unique mechanics, I'd say it is a major patch personally. Pinhead definitely fits that bill!

    Just a survivor, however, I agree. And we are supposedly getting a survivor paragraph in the mid-chapter, which fits with what you seem to be saying a pargraph vs a chapter is if I'm not mistaken.

  • SunderMun
    SunderMun Member Posts: 2,789

    Fair enough, I'd agree maps definitely make the chapters feel more fleshed out and meaningful, but to be fair, do we really want another RPD? That map should be the one to go, not Hawkins - and I don't even like that one either :'(