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Someone told me Freddy was not top 3 after the rework...
I made a comment about Old Freddy (after the rework) and how strong he was and that he was top 3 before the nerf in which Freddy went down in rankings and was replaced by Blight who is currently top 3. He asked how was Freddy top 3 and argued that he wasnt. Lol this made me laugh because he (and others like him?) either wasnt playing the game much at that time, wasnt going against strong, cheap Freddy's or just joshing me. I thought i'd just bring this up because i couldnt believe he said this to me.
I told him that there was a term being thrown around "Forever Freddy" and this mostly in part came from my build and add-ons with him (other people were strong with Freddy i know) when i was dominating and destroying survivors with little effort. BBQ/Pop/Sloppy or Dying Light/Thanatophobia with Swing Chains & Jump Rope. I used this combo every single game with him and got alot of flack for it. People would message me all the time telling me im toxic, im a sweaty try hard (they were really pissed at my Freddy) "omg why you gotta use Forever Freddy" and more. He had the best in game slowdown with his perks (and my build of add-ons) that surpassed Pig. Pig!!!!!!!! Then Freddy got nerfed since then, twice!! So he went from D tier to top 3 after the rework then he went down maybe to top 7 or 8 and now he's a high mid tier killer. People say some wild things lol
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Old Freddy wasn't good.
He was annoying, sure. Oppressive? You bet. But good? No.
Even Forever Freddy wasn't top 3.
That doesn't mean that people couldn't find success with him, but he was objectively weaker than most of the cast.
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Eh, I still think Blight is better, even before Freddy's nerf. Before Blight released though, I never considered Freddy top 3, I thought Hag was better.
Freddy can be countered by simply holding W, and you could still win against a Forever Freddy if your team is good. He's still a powerful killer though.
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I think he is really good, better than most people give him credit for. But top 3? No way.
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Hard agree. Even after the rework he has some pretty solid benefits, but he's really not up there with the greats. I'd put him alongside killers like bubba and slinger
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Freddy before the nerf was low A tier a bunch of killer was steonger then him. Ehat made him strong was the fact survivor suck at loop and they DC against him so winning a 3v1 is easy for any killer.
I can name you a bunch of killer who were stronger Spirit, Nurse, Blight, Hag, Oni, Huntress, Twins, some will say Billy was still a good killer but i think freddy was better. Like i said for me he was the 8 best killer on a rooster of 23 killer before nemmy
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Reworked Freddy before his latest nerf had the highest red rank kill rate.
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Pre-nerf Freddy wasn't the unbeatable force people made him out to be. Blight was definitely still stronger than him at the time. Literally all Freddy was was an M1 killer with some basic anti-loop and a bit of passive slowdown. The reason so many lost to him before is because they did the same thing against him as they did against Nurse or Spirit. "OP killah. Me DC." or they would just forget how to play because "Man, this is a top killer! Aww, why'd that hit?! This killer has no counterplay!" and they never learned or improved. You could even wake up to deny him all his powers. Sure, the gen teleport was strong, but by war of attrition it doesn't matter if he's teleporting to gens to stop them if you actually split up on them.
He was never top 3. The nerf made him even lower tier because of bad add-on reworks and reduced snare/pallet count. Now he almost never sees play.
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As a Survivor main and primarily a solo player I find Freddy to be really oppressive and before the updates to hits I really, really struggled with him at windows and palettes. Because of his small size but his equal reach nearly every single hit against a Freddy from my perspective was him slashing the air and me taking damage 1+ yards away.
Since his reworks I've noticed that a good Freddy can wipe the map in minutes. A new/unskilled Freddy is strong but can be countered and sometimes escaped against.
I don't play him but as someone who plays against him I wouldn't call him S rank unless he's in the hands of an absolute Freddy god. But that's true for every Killer - anyone who invests the time to be a pro with their Killer of choice (plus uses good add-ons) can make their Killer shine.
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Freddy before Blight took his spot was VERY oppressive and strong, Even as a good looper; I'd say he was within top 5 if not one of the most annoying killers to go against thanks to his ability to Teleport to generators and place Snares/Dream Pallets all over them map whenever he pleased. Not to mention how Brain-dead Freddy was with BBQ or Discordance + Phobia. I hated playing against him and would often just suicide off-hook or mysteriously disappear. It was as simple as picking up Freddy and quite literally just running around TPING to gens, you don't even have to place Dream snares/pallets; it was that simple.
Freddy is powerful and still is but with his nerf, I'd say he's a little LESS oppressive; if we ignore the fact he can still teleport around the map without a problem and can easily spam the move. Highkey, I wish they'd had like a 5 - 10 second cooldown to it so the killer has to at least THINK on which gen he wants to pressure people off of instead of just teleporting around. Of course, I'm not just saying this because there are fewer Freddies than there is blight; that actually makes me laugh at how fast people will switch to killers who are braindead or very powerful just to stay relevant or anything. . . . . . .
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Blight and Hag were always better, dunno when he could be top 3 but I dont think he ever was
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I mean, that is their opinion... tier lists are opinions.
Except when you consider Nurse and Spirit.
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I use to enjoy playing Freddy before his add-ons got reworked. Now I find a majority of them useless or add little to a load out.
Playing against him never felt oppressive in any of his interations. He has good map presence and with the right perks good slow down, but I always found his m1 and anti-loop to be pretty weak and easily countered. The latest rework has him feeling like trapper without the ability to stop you.
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One thing people fail to realize or take into consideration is that it was the "add-ons" with the oppressive perks, and in game slowdown perks that made him super strong. Freddy was top 3 and nothings gonna change my mind about that because i mained him and hes still my main and i can see how bs he was compared to how he is today. Freddy after the rework was top 3 at the highest level right next to Spirit and Nurse, I actually put Blight 4th right after Freddy but who was better than the other is argurable. Sloppy Butcher with Freddy alone back then made it extremely tough because thats general ingame slowdown not even to mention his add-ons which penalized survivors whether they were in the dream world or not (Swing Chains) with Jump Rope. Then to make things worse he's applying hard pressure while stacking Thanatophobia, Popping your progression with pop and or preferably stacking THAT with Dying Light.
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I don't think reworked freddy is top tier but he is certainly in a better spot than he was at release. I remember finding someone opening the exit gates, touching them with my power and by the time they finally fell asleep. They opened the door and ran out.
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I've read all the comments here and you guys are actually crazy or delusional to think that Freddy wasnt top 3 or 4 after his rework! Also some of you didnt even pay attention to what i posted. I never said he's top 4 "today" I said after the rework. He got nerfed TWICE since the rework and if that doesnt tell you something i dont know what to say. Most of you guys have a very one dimensional linear way of looking at things...You "choose" to ackknowledge some things and disregard or ignore the other important aspects. You will never get a bigger understanding this way which is why i cant even reply to 90% of these responses, its actually crazy
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My mans really insulting people for disagreeing with them
Allodoxaphobia, fear of opinions
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He’s CERTAINLY NOT top 3 after the recent nerd to his add-ons and snare placement.
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Wrong! People obviously have they're own opinions and i have mine but people are also "ignoring" some important factors (addons, map etc) and they are not bringing up valid points as to why he was not top tier. People tend to look at whats only on the surface and not factor in a number of things. For example i brought up good points but those points were ignored to favor their own counter claim/argument. I dont have time to respond to this type of mentality but i do respect them to a degree. I did not insult them and if i did thats my bad. Its a mentality thing
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Read!!!!!!!!! I never said he was top 3 "currently" lol smh people
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I explained why I didn't think he was top 3, seems like others have but some could have added more to their posts.
IMO Freddy wasn't top 3 because he couldn't counter W meta the way Blight could, thus he was outclassed by the latter. His chase was overrated in my opinion, being countered by simply predropping and holding W, something that Blight can counter.
Also you called people delusional for saying he wasn't top 3, but seeing as you didn't intend to insult then it's alright.
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At release freddy was strong but he got nerf into oblivion in the first week.
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So we’re in agreement then? Why you mad bro?
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your friend is correct. rework freddy was never top3. ever.
because 1, billy wasn't nerfed by that point. 2, hag was always better than him. 3, blight was released at some point.
and because I saw your other comment, you are the one that needs to prove he's top 3. not the other way around. make your case for him being top 3 and we'll read it.
but even when you look at tier lists back then, he wasn't #3. he was just very boring to go against when he stacked slow downs...
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I felt at release he was weak. Survivors bitched and the devs made him even weaker.
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He was invisble but you fell asleep after only 3 sec that short specially when you dont know which side the killer is comming
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Freddy was never top 3, he was just low effort high reward. Even spirit looked like a vaguely skillful killer in comparison.
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I dont feel spirit is as brain dead, easy to win as survivors claim she is. I completely loath it when the game gives me a spirit daily. I switch those out. I can't phase for crap and Nurse is my 2nd most used killer.
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No he didn't! He was that was for quite some time after he got reworked. It was way more than a week.
I hear you but i explained why he "was" top 3 so again this is argurable which i mentioned previously. Im saying people are delusional for ignoring key factors that are either overlooked or ignored but at the same time i apologized for that with a "my bad" so there we are! )
This is what you said: He’s CERTAINLY NOT top 3 after the recent nerd to his add-ons and snare placement.
My topic in summary was that reworked Freddy was top 3. Based off your response your saying it as if im talking about Freddy the way he is currently and im not so we're not in agreement because we're talking about two different things.. If you were talking about the topic then you'd say "He CERTAINLY "WASNT" top 3" then I'd say to you this is argurable.
The person that said this didnt elaborate on why he said what he said and when i brought up reasons why he never replied back. Freddy was a little better than Billy imo. I put Billy after the Freddy rework top 5 though which is still top tier. I personally think Hag is overrated but still top tie, i just dont agree that she is as high as people have (and still do) put her. I brought up the reasons why he was top 3 (which is argurable) you just chose to either not read fully or at all and instead just looked at the title. If you didnt "just" do these things you would not say " I need to prove he's top 3, not the other way around": Thats why i always tell people READ before you reply!
If you think Freddy was weak after the rework I dont know what to tell you...Actually i have no comment to this. Moving on
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No I said freddy was weak AT RELEASE. When he came out years ago where you could only hit people if they were asleep. I said the reworked freddy is a vast improvement. Read the whole post please.
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Stop playing that was mostly dude to hook suicide and DC
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Freddy has never at any point been top 3. No killer countered by pre-dropping pallets is top 3. Stacking slowdowns against mediocre players isn't indicative of a killer's mechanical strengths.
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I used to play her a fair bit and I rarely struggled unless most of the survivors had iron will (I didn't use stridor)
After starting to play blight and nurse after her the increase in difficulty was pretty dramatic. But difficulty can be subjective I guess, I can't do a thing with Oni.
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This feels like a bait thread.
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Freddy after the rework was always an overrated killer. He was a high B tier when he had those BS addons and now he's probably mid B at best. The problem is that Freddy showed the harsh truth to a lot of people: most survivors don't know how to loop. Freddy's chase is mediocre at best, but his teleport makes him always able to stay chasing survivors, so he doesn't lose games due to map size and survivors spread out. It's the same thing with people claiming current Wraith is OP.
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The problem is that Freddy showed the harsh truth to a lot of people:most survivors don't know how to loop
That's about 90% of the complaints for this game. Often something isn't broken or there is a viable counter. People just don't want to admit they suck at the game. They want there to be a quick easy solution or say "This is OP and needs to be fixed" rather than accept they need to improve.
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You're the delusional one. A killer that was effectively pre-rework Clown with map mobility and slowdown add-ons is not top 3 material. You, like many of the people that thought that he was outright OP, do not understand this game. He was a strong killer that happened to be easy to play. That's it.
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My apologies. After his POWER REWORK then he was in the discussion to be a Top 3 Killer, yes. Mainly due to his add-on slowdown potential working nicely with his 1v1 (snares) and map pressure (teleport).
Now he still has basically the same 1v1 ability and map pressure but zero gen or healing slowdown. He’s still pretty decent in the right hands, but I’d still put Blight ahead of him without question.
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One of if not my last post here.. You guys are bringing up reasons to why he wasn't top 3 and im saying he very much was top 3 and i stand by what i say. To make comments like "i dont understand the game because of x, x and x" is just ignorant because i've been playing this game for 3 years and although im a killer main im just really good at the game period (both sides) so im gonna ignore this.
Bottom line, its argurable whether Freddy was top 3 after the rework, i stand by what i say that he was and i can bring up counter points to your posts individually but im not gonna do that because i feel like it will go in a loop and be a waste of time. Best ingame slowdown next to Pig. Non nerfed snares (which people cliam is not a big deal because he still gets looped like a typical m1 killer lmao whatever) Pop, Thanatophobia, Sloppy Butcher lol, od addons but you know...none of that stuff mattered against optimal survivors slamming gens that are taking forever...You can take these things into account but not other things like gee i dunno "The Freddy being mastery or optimal" so his opinion(s) that are backed up with good validations cant be argued. So yeah go ahead and think he was a mid tier killer all you want. People arent even being reasonable giving me (him) the benefit of the doubt with the exception of he very few here (i see you). but i can at least go well he "may" have been top 3 "OR 4, so all in all yeah, im done. The mentality of people in this thread (mostly) is....nah im done
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As evidenced by...?
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your only argument for him being top 3 was forever freddy. and my argument was that forever freddy was just boring to go against.
Personally I never had any issue with it, just made the games longer than necessary. (cue you saying, "they weren't good freddy's then")
which is why I said you need to prove he's top 3, because forever freddy was annoying, not overpowered.
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you are the one who created an opinion discussion and got mad when people disagreed.
were you just expecting people to go "yeah, your friend is way off" and you could show it to him? that's sad...
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Where is the Freddy "mains" now?
Ooops sorry, the Freddy add on mains. They're gone. Not even the S+ tier lunge can save them.
I use to play against him every other game or even back to back. Now...is more rare than billy.
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Forever Freddy with Pop and strong pressure, smart and efficient (3 gen strats etc). He was top 3 Free!!!!!! He was S tier. Its argurable whether Freddy was top 3-5. ARGURABLE!!!! not UNARGURABLY so you know what that means right? It means it can be debated but still within the parameters so you just cant tell me "he wasnt top 3" because im gonna keep saying he was but at the same time im taking into account your points but your not taking mine into account. YOU are 1-5 that will escape a reworked Freddy game for whatever reason and thats fair enough, doesnt change the fact that he was OP and if he wasnt he would have been left the same.
Wrong i didnt get mad. You dont know anything about me so dont "assume" i was expecting people to agree with me. I actually anticipated that people would go against what i said and not agree because i know the "mentality" of the people here. Theres nothing "sad" here my friend.
I play Freddy! He is stil my main too along with Twins, Hag and Doctor (I actually play 2 killers) You have anything further to say?
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People blatantly doing it every game
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