My Survivor Builds vs. My Opponents' Survivor Builds
My Build:
My Opponent's Build:
PSA: High MMR Survivor is Very Easy
I just want to take a moment to say that SBMM has turned the Survivor role into a joke for experienced players. I have stopped running perks entirely (solo queue survivor), and find myself escaping roughly 70% of my matches with ease. If I run a perk at all, it is Borrowed Time to help give my teammates a fighting chance against the camping killers.
The above screenshot where I played killer was a public match against a 4-man SWF of Competitive DBD players. Can confirm with 100% certainty that they are comp players, as I'm friends on Steam with the Gold III Survivor.
If you are a veteran DBD player, and are playing in a SWF, PLEASE refrain from running four meta perks.
It is overkill. It is monotonous & boring. And it is hardly impressive if all four of you escape.
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As far as I can see, SBMM has made it ever more apparent that survivor is the power role in Dead by Daylight. I hope the numbers BHVR is seeing across the board say the same, and that balancing changes are not too far around the corner.
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They aren't looking to impress you, they are looking to win and aren't interested in handicapping themselves.
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I mean there's a lot of variety in those builds. Only two have prove thyself. And one of them put the green addon and the styptic in a different order, I think we've found the resident mad lad
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I mean, they decide to run good Perks while you decide to run no Perks. You are free to do decide your build, so are they.
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Are you expecting everyone to just go perkless?
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this is true
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Why this only applies to survivors? I can play Spirit with 3 slowdown perks + green/purple addons and steamroll basically any lobby out there.
I don't see the problem here and how survivors are the "power role". You went against supposedly top tier survivors using a very mediocre build with almost no slowdown on a good but not great killer, and you still got a 1k with a decent amount of points (considering Bubba doesn't make a lot of points usually due to instadowns). Sure if you used a better build on a better killer you could have better results.
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Honestly, it would be nice to see--at least from the vets out there. DBD is a bit of a joke at the moment.
Its not long before a game in which winning is inevitable becomes boring and cast aside, or the opposing team up and leaves because they rather play a game in which their efforts to improve are rewarded with real results.
Have you been playing Spirit since SBMM went live? If so, are you still steam rolling lobbies?
I've seen only one Spirit since SBMM went live, and I'm now a Gold IV Survivor (so I've played a fair few trials). I don't think the Spirit killed even one Survivor. I've been curious to know if Spirit is still performing well, and is only being matched against 4-man SWFs, or if she is not being played that often and that is the reason I'm not seeing her.
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They loaded their kits to counter tunneling both DS and Dead hard make tunneling more punishable to the killer.
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While I run Diversion and Head on as iri 1 because I can't derank, so I just be the biggest shithead I can till I die
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I haven't lost a game with her yet, but tbh I only played 5 or so.
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wow i will never understand, how Unbreakable, Adrenaline and DS are meta. They are so hardstuck to a situation and they all only give you advantage in one scenario each. I know Unbreakable + DS is a strong combo - but god they are so lame. If i get downed, i get downed. I don´t want a second chance. BT though is good since many killers will come back for the hook and its very effective in endgame. Prove thyself is also very strong with SWF.
On the other hand since the MMR it seems like 50% of the killers now don´t use only one slowdown perk but 2 or 3. It is so boring, i don´t really understand where the fun is when the round takes 20 minutes because survivors are hiding and searching for totems instead of doing their objective. I nearly never use Slowdown perks at all (ok i don´t play in high ranks tbf) but i never needed them.
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I think we should stop judging people from running the builds that they want.
For reference though my build currently is
Iron will
Fixated
Premonition
And some other perk. Still choosing.
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You one hundred persent is baby survivors.
I think you put down the bullet faint killers feel survs god.
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An adrenaline squad? Naisu. Very underrated perk. I mean, most people put it near the top, but still, very underrated.
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Yes, it may be overkill to you. But this is what high MMR loadouts are gonna be like. (excluding the use of the same map offering) The only thing I can tell you is run meta perks and git gud.
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I personally use perks because I enjoy the ones I use... you might be able to win the game without perks but that's not my objective. My objective is to have fun. There are plenty of fun perks to use in the game; Diversion, Blast Mine and Flashbang, any exhaustion perk, Deception, Red Herring and all kinds of other perks. I've been enjoying using Repressed Alliance + Sprint Burst for a little trolling with my nearly finished generator, and I love using Deathbound and Monitor & Abuse on nearly all of my Killers.
When you play a game like Dead by Daylight ONLY to escape or achieve the 4k Fantasy, you're inevitably going to be salty and disappointed. If you play to have fun and try different perk builds or Killer powers, you'll have a much better mental and actually enjoy your trials despite the outcome. Continuing to argue whether Survivors or Killers are the power role is a complete waste of time and only detracts from what is supposed to be occuring--enjoying the Survivors and Killers you play and the perks you use.
That's not to say that people shouldn't point out obvious imbalances on either side, but those instances should be handled maturely and logically without demonizing one side or the other.
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Ah another not so subtle post bragging about how good someone is.
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I'm not like those other survivors you hear about
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if they are really a comp team this post means and will accomplish nothing. people who play comp are looking to win at any cost, throwing shade at rando's does not change that at all. as someone who plays solo q, i ######### wish my teams ran ######### like this. they all have urban evasion and self care.
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Four survivors with adrenaline does make me feel kinda nostalgic
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Sorry i didn't understand anything besides you calling me a baby survivor (which is fine, i play ridiculously bad at the moment).
But what has that to do with the fact, that these perks are very situational AND boring to see in every single game? I like to switch up my perks instead of hardsweating every single round. These sweaters are one of the current problem of the MMR - it makes no difference between casuals and sweaters AND imo they turn the opposite side (killer or survivor) more and more into sweaty players (since you have to do so to succeed).
I rather lose constantly (which sucks) than using these boring perks.
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How ever can I appease you, overlord?
Shall I refrain from providing evidence of my behavior, and allow the people to remind me that some things are easier said than done?
Or should I post only the screenshot of my opponents so that others can accuse me of being a hypocrite who uses the same perks?
Can I feature your screenshots too, so that others may also be aware of your greatness?
Or would you prefer not to be reminded that there is a major skill gap in Dead by Daylight?
Perhaps video evidence of my performance is needed, to validate the position of power from which I speak?
Or would you instead prefer I speak not at all on these forums about the issues in which I feel are hurting the game?
...or are you but a simple man who knows not how to contribute to a conversation, and instead attempts to belittle others so as to feel power in a community in which you often feel powerless?
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I see nothing wrong with their build.
Am I missing something?
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I think they took issue with the way you are pontificating lol
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Overreact much? What can I say? Over the years I've grown weary of the I am so talented at this game threads. If you wanted to appease me I suppose you could let people use what perks they want in peace.
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I like that response. I hope no one gets mad at top tier killers using the Meta perk build and asking for nerfs
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I’m not one to get mad anymore, I just find it annoying and unnecessary. Just shows that if you run meta like on survivor and send us to haddonfield or rotten fields or are running meta on killer like blight spirit or nurse then you are insecure in your own skill.
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Look at me, I'm so superior because I decided to not run any perks. Everyone else is stupid because they had the audacity to use whatever perks or items they wanted to. It's almost like they bought their own game and are allowed to play it in any way they want.
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Wow, I thought my head was in the clouds.
You genuinely expect people to just play a game, and not call attention to issues the developers should address.
Read below, as it is addressed to you as well.
If being accused of pontificating is the price I must pay for pointing out the glaringly obvious disparity between Killer & Survivor, than so be it. The irony is, you've completely missed the boat with my post. You belittle me because you lack the reading comprehension to see what is being said here.
So let me try again...
This Game Is So Easy Because Of Skill Based Matchmaking That Survivors Do Not Need ANY Perks TO ESCAPE.
ABOVE IS AN IMAGE SUPPORTING THIS STATEMENT. 26K BLOODPOINST WITH NO PERKS. IT WAS EASY. YOU CAN DO IT TO. NO SKILL REQUIRED. THERE IS NOTHING IMPRESSIVE ABOUT IT. THAT IS THE POINT I AM MAKING. IF YOU ARE AN EXPERIENCED DEAD BY DAYLIGHT PLAYER, YOU OF ALL PEOPLE SHOULD NOT BE RUNNING PERKS. YOU'RE COMPOUNDING THE PROBLEM.
You're Welcome.
Hope I made this post more digestable for you.
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I played perkless but I don't see why should I give up perks tbh. There is no reason for it since I already did that for at least 2 devotion levels.
You should at least run borrowed or we'll make it to help your team out.
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Funny that the moment you don't run the small pp build its compared to "perkless".
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Op’s comparison was him going perkless, implying that they didn’t want people to run any perks at all.
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You are not exactly in the position to complain about builds when you run the best addon plus noed.
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It just oozes condescension, people tend to not react well to that, if you want to be heard try some more charm
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Thats some backwards logic there, buddy.
First, I'm not complaining.
Second, my position to "complain" about survivor is hardly dependent on what I do as killer.
Third, I'm not running a strong build or playing a strong killer. What does NOED have to do with anything?
Fourth, am I wrong?
Strange, its almost like I didn't react well to their initial patronizing remark....
Edit: There is a not-so-clever way in which people get around warnings from the mods on this forum, and it always seems to be with snarky belittling comments to posts they disagree with. Its bullying nonetheless, and its ######### tiring to read.
These forums can get unnecessarily hostile because mods don't issue warnings to those who use sarcasm as a weapon. Just because someone isn't blunt, doesn't mean they're not being a dick.
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I feel like that initial remark was in direct response to your post coz it kinda set the tone then grew from there. I'm not here to make anyone feel like crap though just watching this communication breakdown play out :c
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Imagine being so narrow-minded to think every survivor has the same skill cap AND the intention to play like you do.
With that aspect (hey buddy, not everyone is a progamerrr like you), why should newbies or casuals play perkless? Because you told them so? Because you did it successfully?
Sorry but it really sounds like you just want to show off.
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There is nothing to show off. The game is easy. Period.
Is it easy for everyone? No. Its not going to be easy for the person who just started playing this week, this month, or even earlier this year.
But for the players I explicitly adressed at the end of my post, and featured in my screenshot, Survivor is a joke.
If you're not that audience, awesome. Go find a forum post you can relate to.
This post isn't showing off. If you think it is, you've evidently not invested the time and effort into this game that I and many others have.
Its not my job to make sure my post speaks on behalf of everyone who has ever played DBD.
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I can have literally thousands of hours ingame and still have no clue of it. If you are that good, that you don't have to rely on perks - fine for you. But who gave you the right to tell other people what they should do?
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You claim, that survivor is easy and because of that you dont need strong perks (you survivor 70% of your games). I claim, killer is easy and that a crutch perks like Noed or an addon like Chili is the same level of boosted as your SWF example (i get 4Ks almost every round).
Thats why i think you should not judge others for their loadout when you basically do the same stuff but just from the other side.
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OP stated clearly that he believes that games are too easy for top survivors now due to SBMM. He suggests to others to go perkless when at his skill level or higher to make matches more fair (very considerate of killers, thank you).
People ripped him apart for trying to be considerate.
If the game loses its killer player base in the future from toxicity on the survivor side you may regret attacking him.
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Why are you so upset that I'm imploring players who have the skill to run without perks to take it upon themselves to rebalance the game for the sake of killers' enjoyment? I have just as much right to "tell people what to do" as you have a right to respond to this post and provide a counter argument. But its hard to see why anyone would take issue with me asking survivors to be good sports and nerf themselves if they're winning with such ease.
You can fundamentally disagree with the idea, but I'm hardly being malicious with my post.
And do you feel that you can 4k 70% of your games as Killer without perks & add-ons? If so, I'd implore you to challenge yourself and do just that. If not, then Killer must not be as easy as you'd like me to believe.
If I thought Killer was easy, I'd be making the same exact post but about Killer. I don't think Killer is easy, therefor I'll continue to run whatever I so choose as Killer. I ran Speed Limiter Bubba the game before my screenshot, and was given Lerys & some top notch solo survivors. Needless to say, I didn't get a single sacrifice.
Would you have prefered I post that screenshot as well, so that you're not under the impression that all I do is run "meta" perks?
You're talking to me like I'm some sort of hypocrite, when what I play as Killer is completely irrelevant to this post. I never tried to claim that Killer was easy, so why in the world would I run Killer perkless?
If I had a full meta survivor load-out, and I was screaming from the roof tops "SURVIVOR IS EASY," call me a ######### hypocrite. But I'm not doing that. So yeah, I have plenty of grounds to stand on for this post.
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As a completely seperate argument, BBQ & Chili is not a crutch perk. Most people run it because of the bloodpoint bonus, and I'd argue its one of the healthiest killer perks in the game. It provides killers with the information they need to leave the hook and chase another survivor. How can anyone hate a perk that incentivizes killers to not camp?
I don't have any strong opinions about NOED either way. I seldom run it. This was the first game I ran NOED in roughly 6 months. The meta at high MMR is shifting away from gen regression perks, because gens are getting done quickly even through ruin & pop, and moving to end-game builds. I see No Way Out, NOED, & Bloodwarden every other game now. Its no longer a perk that only baby killers run because they can't apply pressure. It is mathmatically impossible for killers to apply enough pressure to 4k against a coordinated team (let alone one that knows how to loop). And as I stated in OP, I knew I was going up against a comp team before the match began.
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Fair point - but most people will ignore your post anyway since they don't care about this.
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I think that should be the gateway into getting your "grade" in the first place (running no perks) for like 5 matches (on both sides)
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- The Survivor decides to play perkless because it's fun and a challenge
- Killers start compulsively camping and tunnelling even when no gen gets done and they have four slowdown perks stacked.
- After ten games of the same awful slowdown builds and tunnel/camp, survivor is fed up and takes action
- DS to counter Tunnelling, Unbreakable to counter incessant slugging, BT to counter Camping, Iron Will to counter strong killers and Spirit in particular, Deliverance to get off the damn Hook. Dead Hard to make the most use out of your time when you're tunnelled.
- Killer wants to play some chill no-slowdown build. Constantly gets these disillusioned survivors and gets tired of getting little points and little progress.
- Killer adopts an overkill build and goes out of their way to just chase/camp one person to get back at survivors and feel less overwhelmed.
- The survivor decides to play perkless ...
It's all in your minds. This game has absolutely no value when it comes to winning. You get nothing. MMR is all a psychological phenomenon. People could just all play the same way they did before and the system wouldn't matter. But anyway, both sides fall victim to this hilarious sweat shitshow. At least when they become successful. Teetering in average MMR seems to get people of similar chill mindsets. But not always.
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I dont run perkless as a killer (and also not as survivor) but i was at 100+ 4K streak as M1 killer... so i guess i would be able to pull off that insane magic trick.
Again, and for the last time. Dont call out other people for their builds if you are also not any better. Please dont be a hypocrite.
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Please dont be a hypocrite
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There is nothing hypocritical about this post. You're trolling.
Edit: nvm. don't even respond. I've no interest in belaboring this point. I could care less what you think of me.
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