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Simple Yes or No - Is anyone else ok with the MMR details?

Raccoon
Raccoon Member Posts: 7,716

Totally not expecting to be in the majority, but I appreciate any and all replies :3

Yes

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  • tippy2k2
    tippy2k2 Member Posts: 5,198

    No

  • bm33
    bm33 Member Posts: 8,223

    No, I'm not OK with how they calculate MMR. Someone that spends the match hiding until escape should not be rewarded over someone that did objective and helped teammates but died. It is not SKILL based and they need to stop calling it that.

  • humanbeing1704
    humanbeing1704 Member Posts: 8,999

    no

  • chargernick85
    chargernick85 Member Posts: 3,171

    Don't care. I get nothing from gaining MMR. I focus my play just like I always have....Getting as much done as I can to pip and get BP. If I win great if not so what.

  • Ghostyboii
    Ghostyboii Member Posts: 48

    yes

  • SlothGirly
    SlothGirly Member Posts: 1,146

    Yes.

  • ThiccBudhha
    ThiccBudhha Member Posts: 6,987

    Why not?

  • EntitySpawn
    EntitySpawn Member Posts: 4,233

    No.

    Honestly puts me off playing. Like what's the point in even having it if it's not on skill. Nothing is more a kick in the balls that you doing insane chases and lots of gens and carrying a game to die on first hook while others escape and be told you lost. Like no I didn't. And the less you escape the worse teams youd get, worse teams means less Escaping etc.

    ITS A JOKE!

    btw my nemesis is still stupid high mmr and iv barely played him. Thanks for sharing my nurse mmr with him :)

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077

    I'm not sure if it works like this. You may actually be paired with better survivors to compensate towards a certain MMR, based on the killer you are matched with.

    It also means that you will face less skilled, less meta killers. You would be unlikely to face a billion Blights, Nurses, Spirits etc.

  • Dwight_Fairfield
    Dwight_Fairfield Member Posts: 7,019

    Definitely not.

  • SonicOffline
    SonicOffline Member Posts: 918

    Well, the objective of the game is to survive, so I fail to see how that's "playing well." You died.


    However I do agree with the sentiment. It's escape-based matchmaking and frankly is the previous system. Just with less meaning behind the colors.

  • SonicOffline
    SonicOffline Member Posts: 918

    Hey listen


    Running the killer for days is not the objective of DBD.

  • Brokenbones
    Brokenbones Member Posts: 5,169

    But do we agree that chases are the only thing in this game that take any semblence of skill (On both sides, mind you not just one or the other).

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 20,783

    No

  • JexxTron
    JexxTron Member Posts: 228

    no. because no one has told me what MMR is yet. What is it?

  • Brokenbones
    Brokenbones Member Posts: 5,169
    edited October 2021

    you only gain mmr as survivor if you escape

    you lose more if you die first, then you lose slightly less if you die 2nd, 3rd, 4th

    hatch doesn't give or remove mmr


    you gain mmr as killer for (shockingly) getting kills. I'm guessing the more kills = more mmr

    and you only lose it if everyone escapes (I think?)

  • Yes

  • Basically before 5.2.0, the game used ranks for matchmaking.


    Now it uses a hidden value to match people up together based on your skill.

  • JexxTron
    JexxTron Member Posts: 228


    Thank you. so MMR is the name of the hidden value system?

  • latinfla4
    latinfla4 Member Posts: 2,119

    No for killers (individual killer mmr should be 50 percent of main killer mmr).

    Yes for survivor (it is chill mode for a reason)

  • vacaman
    vacaman Member Posts: 1,140

    Ironically the old pip system worked better

  • SonicOffline
    SonicOffline Member Posts: 918

    Oh, yeah definitely. That's why the new system is so ass-backwards. It just doesn't make sense to put the 1v1 skill test as a non-objective. At least they give bloodpoints and pip progression though...?

  • Brokenbones
    Brokenbones Member Posts: 5,169
    edited October 2021

    We're on the same page then fellow forum goer, I agree with ya.

  • 90bubbel
    90bubbel Member Posts: 97

    HELL NO

  • bm33
    bm33 Member Posts: 8,223

    This. Before if I was "God amongst men" in the game and died I would pip and next match be matched with teammates of equal skill and have better chance to escape. Now, if I'm "God amongst men" and die I have high chance of being matched with those that died because they are terrible and increases my odds to die again. His "you'll get easier matches if you die" applies to 4swf not solo or 2swf.

    This is just like Almo when he said "Based on stats OoO is fine" and Cote had to point out stats wise may be fine but how does it FEEL for players, they say it feels bad so we should look at it. They need to look at how the game FEELs with SBMM. It doesn't feel good to die and get a bad team after over and over until you luck out with team that actually had skill. It doesn't feel good to know you played the match great but died and now you are getting sent to play with other players that aren't necessarily skilled - you just all died recently.

  • Kill_Yr_Idol83
    Kill_Yr_Idol83 Member Posts: 213

    No. SBMM has done nothing but punish killers for being even slightly good. It's not fun having to play sweaty every single match so no, their explanation was sh-t because they didn't even mention this glaring fact. They made it sound like they don't play their own game or understand the systems they implement.

  • EqMonkVeeshan
    EqMonkVeeshan Member Posts: 416

    nope

  • landromat
    landromat Member Posts: 2,193

    no.

    why it even took them a year to implement such primitive system

  • ChurchofPig
    ChurchofPig Member Posts: 2,766

    I'm glad they gave us details but other than that, absolutely not. They've lied to us for months about how the system wasn't just kills and escapes just to turn around and tell us it's kills and escapes. If that system is so sucky then why are we using it for matchmaking? That doesn't make sense. At least with the ranked matchmaking, your rank was determined by fulfilling different requirements that happen throughout the match. Now we just have a worse version of that.

  • fogdonkey
    fogdonkey Member Posts: 1,567
  • CluelessWanderer
    CluelessWanderer Member Posts: 939

    No.


    It's awful. The previous Rank based system was actually superior. Basing your skill level on escapes is ridiculous for Solo survivors. It does nothing but encourage selfish game play. That person who wasted the Killers time through the last 3 gens? yeah, LEAVE them to die on the hook during EGC. Don't even try to rescue, because the Killer is face-camping and God knows, if I die, I'll be increasingly stuck with potatoes as team mates and camping Killers being sucked further downinto the bog. Not to mention it works entirely contrary to their pip system, which encourages team work? So if I escape (through a door mind you, not the hatch), and I've done next to nothing but hide, I won't pip and get their "monthly reward". But if I do everything to pip and don't escape? I'll be screwed in MMR.

    Do these narcissists even play their own game?

  • SweetTerror
    SweetTerror Member Posts: 2,695

    No. How could be anything else? Wins revolve around kills and escapes. There's no skill involved.

  • Aurelle
    Aurelle Member Posts: 3,611

    No

  • DelsKibara
    DelsKibara Member Posts: 3,127

    No, I'm not.

    And as someone who defended MMR in the past, I'm more than willing to eat my words because that is an awful way of creating a SKILL BASED Matchmaking system.

  • StarLost
    StarLost Member Posts: 8,077

    I do wish that it was a bit more nuanced on the survivor side of things, and it feels like it's naturally going to increase killer MMR faster than it probably should (depending on whether a 2-kill is a net gain, a net loss or neutral) - but I actually don't hate it.

    MMR systems are really difficult to get right, even in relatively simple games.

    I do expect it to be further refined going forward.

  • eleventbh
    eleventbh Member Posts: 374

    It's called "skill based matchmaking". It should be based on skill and not one factor.

  • Shaped
    Shaped Member Posts: 5,870
    edited October 2021

    The problem is killers don't get any benefit by raising their mmr.

    As a survivor you are getting teammates who are more efficient at least.


    But don't get me wrong. I am not a fan of sbmm in general now.

  • I'm ok with it because it puts more emphasis on people escaping instead of just messing around with the killer all game. It might even normalize the gameplay a bit. Not saying it wont cause some people to play a certain way... but overall I think it's better this way, because everyone has the same goal: survive and leave, without using hatch

  • gilgamer
    gilgamer Member Posts: 2,209

    Lol no. I do find it hilarious though

  • awustzdn
    awustzdn Member Posts: 320

    No.

    And now that we know it's based on gate escapes/kills, it's incredibly easy to game it by farming as much BP as you can before throwing. This is even easier to game than the old rank system, as once you dipped down to purple ranks you'd always safety pip doing this.

  • JoByDaylight
    JoByDaylight Member Posts: 707

    All I know is somehow my games are better now than it was with the old ranking system. So my answer will be YES.

    Though after watching videos of Patrick explaining how it works made it feel not ok.

  • truegod_10
    truegod_10 Member Posts: 393

    No. System might be ok for killer due to being based on kills, but escapes is not ok for survivor. Also, a hard-capped system has the same issues that using ranked has is that the grand majority of people (maybe even all killers or survivors depending exactly how the system works) will end up at the top meaning matches are essentially just random again.

  • Sumnox
    Sumnox Member Posts: 605

    No.