Ghostface buffs or nerfs? Devs are looking at him?
What do you think will be changed with ghostface?
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Probably nerfs given they just nerfed him.
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Likely addon overhaul and adjustments to his reveal mechanic.
I don't see them touching anything else as crouching is fine as it is and there's nothing wrong with his power on a functional level.
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Probably buffs considering how awful furtive chase is and how most of his add-ons are very unimpactful. I doubt his power would get much of a change since its not that bad compared to other killers.
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I'm hoping they just do an overhaul on his add ons and an overhaul on his stalk mechanic. I love Ghostface to death as he was the second killer I truly mained. Hillbilly second when he was a top 3 pick. Anywho Ghost face just needs his stalk mechanic to fixed.
Personally however I hope he gets new skins. Unlike other stealth killers his skin matter as his base skin is somewhat pretty revealing when you see floating bits of cloth. You can only wear his original ghost face outfit with maybe p3 mask just so you aren't seen but your still seen a lot of the time anyway.
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Can't wait for them to give him some meme add-on that just gives you bp instead of downing marked survivors
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They didn't nerf him. In-fact if you use the same build with the same cooldown add-ons, your recovery will actually be faster than before.
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Fix his reveal mechanic. One of the most broken things in the game.
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I imagine an add-on pass since even despite the changes in PTB, people are still adament that they will use the recovery add-ons still.
That and i think they should rework his reveal mechanic. Because it's very frustrating for both sides.
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"Were looking at gf. We feel he's over performing therefore his cd will have a cd"
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The reasoning behind the changes being a nerf is that "because they nerfed the recovery add-ons (despite the recovery being overall buffed) we don't have any other add-ons we can use". Which in my opinion is pretty stupid, why would you like depending on add-ons in the first place?
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Anything but some juicy buffs would trigger "gearhead nerfed lol" reactions, he´s literally an m1 killer with 0 chase pressure who suffers tremendously from swf and stretched res and who has 4 addons that are worth the slot.
Also, if you´re a person who struggles with reveal, practice with a friend or sth, the inconsistencies are massively exaggerated.
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I would hope for a add-on pass (leave recovery add-ons), making revealing him more consistent, and personally I would hope for a mechanic that makes it so that when you mark and down someone while in you power your cooldown is reduced.
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its 1 second slower than before
old cooldown addons were 8 seconds + 6 seconds for a 14 second reduction or 16 second cooldown
new cooldown addons + base cooldown is 6 + 4 + 3 for a 13 second reduction or 17 second cooldown
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Oh:/ I thought it was 1 second less. I get the problem now but i don't think it's exactly intended to be a nerf
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yea its not that big of a deal although they are still his best addons the basekit buff allows you to be more flexible with or without addons
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Most likely what i thought, the base kit buff so people can try out some add ons rather than go pen and adress book every single game.
Also almost everyone here is acting as if that one second of extra cd is an actual nerf.
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Let's review his other addons then.
Philly, Telephoto Lens, Knife Belt Clip, Night vision Monocular (Reduce Stalk time when stalking and not leaning): So the base not leaning stalk time is 5 seconds. Running the Night Vision Monocular and Knife Belt Clip you reduce it to 3.75 seconds. Lean Stalk is 2.5 seconds. Ghostface should be spending most of their time stalking survivors while leaning. The only time you would not lean stalk is to pop a 99% stalk'd survivor or the game decides you can't actually lean. Not terrible addons, but largely useless when lean stalk to 99% is how you play Ghostface effectively.
Headlines Cut-outs, Olsen's Journal, Olsen's Wallet (Increased Movement Speed while Stalking): So as I said previously the effective way to play Ghostface is to lean stalk to 99%. While leaning you can't move so extra movement speed while leaning is worthless. At least the reduce stalk time while not leaning can help if a survivor isn't quite 99%.
Cheap Cologne, Telephoto Lens, Last Perfume (Increased Marked Duration): You can get +15 extra marked duration hitting 60 second marked duration on survivors. It's okay, but since you can 99% stalk survivors and pop them when you are close enough to hit you don't need extra marked duration. It can help if you accidentally fully stalked due to latency, but if you are already commiting to a marked survivor for over 45 seconds you are kind of throwing. It can help if you fully stalk two survivors at once since you can down 1 and chase the other, but it would be better to try to 99% both and pop 1 leaving the other to be popped later. No real reason to run this since unlike Myers you are picking a single survivor at a time to expose instead of an entire time.
Reusable Cinch Straps, Leather Knife Sheath, Drop-Leg Knife Steath (Movement speed when crouched): One of his only addons that gives him benefit when not in night shroud. Crouching is useful at some tiles since you can break LoS and get a hit you otherwise couldn't get. These addons do help for those situations. Drop-Leg is an 8.4% increase and Leather Sheath is 5.6% so together you get a 14% boost and his base crouch movement is 90% so you can move faster than survivors while crouched. The situations these addons are useful in are niche but at least can be worth running.
Marked Map, Victim's Detailed Routine (Increase Killer Instinct duration when revealed): Useless. You have enough time to figure out where the survivor that revealed you is at base. Granted sometimes Killer Instinct be buggy and you don't actually see the notification because the survivor is too close to you.
Victim's Detailed Routine, Driver's License (Reduce Range survivors can reavel Ghostface): Together you can turn the 32m range that survivors can reveal Ghostface into 20m range. Not an insignificant reduction, but you should be trying to reduce the ability for survivors to even reveal you by not standing out in the open in first place. Ultimately good ghostfaces don't need these addons, because they are putting themselves into situations where they can be revealed.
Ghostface Caught on Tape (Faster Lean Stalk, Slower Non Lean Stalk): Lean stalking goes from 2.5 to 1.5 seconds, Non Lean Stalking goes from 5 to 5.75. It's better than the faster non lean stalking addons since you want to lean stalk survivors to 99% and almost halfing the time it takes to lean stalk is certainly good. I don't think I've ever been in a situation where I thought "man I wish I lean stalked a bit faster". I would say it's okay, certainly better than his other addons.
Outdoor Security Camera (Aura reveal when you down a marked survivor): Probably his next best addon after power recovery. Ghostface can struggle to make good use of Infectious Fright since if he downs a survivor while undetectable no one will scream. This addon allows him to get a sense of where survivors are after downing a marked survivor. Now it is all survivors outside of his TR so if you down a marked survivor while not undetectable you won't see the auras of nearby survivors. But since survivors aren't going to jump in lockers to avoid Security Cam aura reading if you see 2 auras and not 3 then you can assume the last survivor is nearby.
So basically half of his addons are absolutely useless from the start. This leaves us his two iri addons, movement speed when crouched, and faster non leaning stalk as other addon options you would want to run. Of the remaining options only crouched movement and his iri addons are viable options to replace recovery time since they actually do something useful to how you play Ghostface.
At best you might see some Ghostface use an iri addon with chewed pen or Ghostface with double crouch addons, but most Ghostfaces are still going to use double recovery, because it's simply far better than the alternatives.
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The best response ive gotten that is not "muh security muh pen is." Congrats, and thats a good analisis.
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good response
The main problem with designing addons for him is that his power is incredibly simple and pretty bland when you compare it to others.
There is no movement speed boost that you can make stronger, no duration you can buff, no charge time you can buff, no fatigue you can buff, no successful/missed cooldown you can buff, no pallet break you can buff, projectile speed you can buff, attack range you can buff, attack delay you can buff, actions that you can make longer to perform, ammo count you can buff, reload speeds you can buff, etc.
The only things you can numerically change are crouch move speed, power recovery, the time it takes to reveal, the distance required to reveal him, the killer instinct, the marked duration, the lean stalk, the non lean stalk, the movement speed while stalking.
Changing the numbers on ANY of those things does very little when compared to addons for other killers. Ghostface needs a lot of addons replaced, but their new effects have to be a lot more creative and unique than your typical "x thing is x% faster," so I understand how it could be a daunting task to give him new addons.
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This is a great breakdown of Ghostface's addons and why most of them are garbage. Thank you and I appreciate your efforts in making those points clear for everyone.
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Ghostface has a score event for hitting survivors while crouched and a score event for hitting survivors while in Night Shroud. Meaning the game is tracking those situations so the devs could make addons around those. Like inflicting mangled upon hitting a survivor from Night Shroud.
They could also do addons around downing marked survivors too. Thrilling Tremors is a ghostface perk so maybe a gen blocking addon when you down a marked survivor.
A potential new iri addon could be having Ghostface go into Night Shroud upon downing a marked survivor. The addon would need to make it so the just downed survivor can't reveal out of Night Shroud for at least a small duration.
Also stalk range addons would be okay on Ghostface. At least far more useful than a lot of his current ones.
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Addons still useless and double cd addons worse than before.
If they were gonna do this at least change up the addons and decrease the base cooldown further. 24 seconds is nothing compared to the double addons from before. People aren't going to suddenly run useless addons because you decreased his base cd a bit.
I say reduce his cd to 16 base and then remove the cd addons and rework all his addons. This will actually bring variety as the cooldown trumps everything else so much currently and gf is a very average killer anyways.
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They nerf his only usable build so don't expect much. And i bet they did this intending it to be a buff but they are so clueless of their own game even having all the data, they just don't play it.
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Will go for a longshot and say Ghostface should get legions ability to vault pallets and run fast, then make legion a 4 man version of twins. 2 reworks.
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Have I told you the story of a survivor revealing me behind a tree whilst I was behind a wall and that tree was dang near across the map from me? Yeah, reveal needs to be fixed.
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Exactly this. People talk a lot about his power getting a potential "nerf" but what could they possibly nerf? He presses m2 and loses his terror radius and can then stalk survivors. its 2 button presses, what could they possibly nerf about that? Im hopeful he'll get a buff.
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If you use the yellow and brown Add On it is even 1 second faster than before.
Either way, you cannot really call it a Nerf at all. It was a Buff to his base recovery and the Add Ons got indeed nerfed to compensate for this like it is done all the time with every Killer (e.g. Wraith, when they buffed his Basekit Speed).
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Probably Add On-Reworks. Aside from Recovery most stuff is not really useful. But I hope that they also do something to his really bad mechanic.
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