Visit the Kill Switch Master List for more information on these and other current known issues: https://forums.bhvr.com/dead-by-daylight/kb/articles/299-kill-switch-master-list
We encourage you to be as honest as possible in letting us know how you feel about the game. The information and answers provided are anonymous, not shared with any third-party, and will not be used for purposes other than survey analysis.
Access the survey HERE!
Nemesis is overall very well designed believe it or not, but 1 thing doesnt make sense...
There was a debate that Nemesis shouldnt give the survivors a Sprint burst for the infection which I disagree with, but the topic I wanna talk about is:
Since the infection is considered by BHVR a "hit" cuz you get the sprint burst after it, why the hell does the Tentacle infection hit doesnt interrupt actions such as Cleansing, Unhooking or Repearing?
Since it gives the survivors the hit burst it should also interrupt these actions but no for some reason it has a second negative effect which is sometimes really sad and frustrating. Ofc if you know that then you will never try to hit a survivor like that but I think this is really unnecessary.
Comments
-
Yeah it definitely should interrupt at least, it could certainly make for some clutch plays
12 -
Honestly the speed boost would make sense if they gave Nemesis a Sprint ability, similar to the RE 3 remake or REsistance
SO WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR BHVR??
8 -
Would there really be any point of the speed boost if nemesis could catch up to them just as fast? 😅
0 -
Agree with you, the speed boost is not a problem, but the inexistant interruption is.
I played a lot of Nemesis recently, I had a lot of fun, I want to make him my new main killer. But Ive seen too many times survivors finish a generator or unhook infront of me because first tentacul hit do not interrupt them.
However at the beginning everybody said Nemesis was a weaker Pyramid Head, after playing both a lot I think Nemesis is better.
3 -
Don't forget that Pyramid Head has been bugged recently.
But the main difference between them is Nemesis has a better 1v4 as his zombies help annoying and pressure the other survivors that aren't being chased.
Whereas Pyramid Head can just quickly remove a survivor from the game with his cages since they do ignore perks like BT and DS that other killers would otherwise have to play around.
0 -
Listen man I just want an excuse for Nemesis to have his speed lmao
5 -
Yes both can be good at their own things, but Pyramid is just too slow for me. I think Pyramid is more predictable than Nemesis.
0 -
That's a fair point to bring up, making the initial infection itself be able to interrupt would be nice, although I do kinda wish the infection itself would do something other than just being the prerequisite to getting hit again. Like zombies will shamble faster towards infection survivors or target them.
1 -
The same reason Trickster's knives don't interrupt actions. It's just another one of the many impossible things Survivors can do.
2 -
The knives are a bit understandable. Trickster is already good at camping since he has no CD between knife throws. It would be literally impossible to ever save a survivor against a Trickster since as long as he hit 1 knife he would interrupt the save. Plus the knives themselves don't give survivors a speed boost like Nemesis Tentacle does.
7 -
The tentacle really should just injure outright. All other ranged attacks do, and they're mostly easier to hit with. Hell, the tentacle's range and hitbox are so bad, that's its barely even ranged to begin with. After that, just make the virus do something else, like zombies notice you more easily or have assorted debuffs through add ons.
3 -
A good Pyramid Head has the potential to hit you at any time at any tile with a well-aimed and timed Punishment of the Damned. Nowhere is safe against a good Pyramid Head, and not only that but he also has fantastic zoning, giving him one of the best chase powers in the game if mastered. Plus, he has his Cages for efficient chewing through health states and map pressure, although they're not a particularly big deal.
Nemesis on the other hand has a very limited-range whip that needs 3 hits to down, requires buildup to get to a strong level, and can be dodged by crouching behind even a tiny bit of cover for a second when the attack starts. At higher tiers the tentacle can become a real threat, mainly due to how it effectively nullifies pallets, but it's nowhere near as strong as Punishment of the Damned even at tier 3. He also has zombies, which mainly just give Nemesis information at random times and get stuck on walls. Rarely do they actually even come close to hitting survivors with brains.
Neither are bad killers - in fact, I'd argue Pyramid Head is the 5th best killer in the game, tied with Oni. But the sheer difference in potential strength when mastered between them is staggering. Nemesis is a lot easier to play but is nowhere near as strong. The three hits to down thing really hurts him at higher levels of play, because good survivors will make you work for successful tentacle hits and will hold W after being contaminated, leaving you with no pressure.
1 -
I do understand what you mean, and I was thinking the same.
Then I played Nemesis and I understood his real potential.
Compare to Pyramid Head he is faster and unpredictable.
The ability to break pallet with his power is very helpful and if you miss a hit, you break the pallet. With Pyramid if you miss the hit, you have to break the pallet and you lose distance on survivor. I like the ability of Nemesis to never lose distance with survivor if you miss.
Cages of Pyramid are nice to counter meta survivors perks, but slugging do the job for DS, going for the unhooker do the job for BT. I prefer the zombies that do a looooot of gen pressure with Discordance, they are attracted to it !
For a perfect player who do not miss hits, yes maybe Pyramid is better. But nobody is perfect and against good survivors you will miss some hits. And you are less punish for missing hits with Nemesis.
1 -
I don't agree with him being very well designed but I do agree that the infection hit doesn't interrupt. It might be similar to plague's infection.
0 -
Frankly, Nemesis needs one of three things.
- A third zombie.
- Zombies to automatically respawn if they get stuck for 15 seconds.
- Tentacle to injure on first hit as well as applying infection.
He relies on his zombies immensely in order to not just be a worse Pyramid Head, and zombies are janky, RNG nuisances.
0 -
The wittle tentacle is far superior to the punishment of the damned. It doesn't just disappear, it is not as telegraphed, you can land it outside of animation locks on survivors that aren't Helen Keller. And it actually breaks pallets (and walls).
He would still be a better Pyramid Head without zombies. Pyramid Head is just good to counter DS, and half the people who think he is better than Nemesis pretend DS isn't broken. So, like, I ain't even know what that is about. Never will.
0 -
Nemesis is just a shell of his former self in DbD, not only did they shrink him down (he used to be 3 meters tall in RE3 remake) he also was nerfed into the ground in terms of abilities. For instance, how the hell are survivors even able to wiggle free when he carries them? This is the same guy who could easily crush your skull in his palm. He's also WAY too slow, the Nemesis in the remake literally can cut off your escape attempt by either jumping in front of you or by sprinting at an ungodly speed. It's also beyond me how he can even be stunned by trivial nonsense like wooden pallets while breaking through bricked walls in his game.
1 -
1,000% agree. I really wanted to give Nemmy a fair shake but it is just a night and day difference whenever I play a Nemmy game and play a PH game afterwards. I'm an RE fan but as soon as I use up all the anniversary cakes on Nemmy, that'll be the last time I ever play him.
Punishment of the damned has a longer windup, but is much easier to land a hit imo. I can't count how many times a survivor is vaulting a window and I go for a tentacle hit with Nemmy, only to have it hit an invisible pixel on the edge and end up with nothing. With Nemmy, you need to have a really good angle on a vault, whereas with PH, as long as you have a good idea of where a survivor is positioned in that half second after a vault, you can land a hit from any angle every single time. Animation lock hits are the bread and butter of a good PH player, but "quick turn" shots around a loop are also very high percentage when you get the hang of them. The majority of the time, Nemmy can't do the same due to the hitboxes of the loop. You can land a perfect shot on a survivor and it just doesn't connect because of invisible hitboxes
In early game, PH is going to secure downs so much faster than Nemmy that it's not even funny. You could make the argument that Nemmy is stronger late game (I'd still disagree with that - faster windup doesn't compensate for a much smaller hitbox and smaller range) but his early game is undeniably horrible. I still cannot get over the fact that plague can essentially get a free health state from half a second of puke, but Nemmy needs an entire extra hit to get survivors infected. And on top of that, plague at least gets rewarded when survivors cleanse - Nemmy just gets killer instinct for a few seconds. The limited # of cleanses doesn't really make that feel much better
I really wish the zombies would be removed so that they could just buff Nemmy's chase, but it seems like that ship has sailed. He's not a bad killer, but I would agree that at higher level play, a good Nemmy can't hold a candle to a good PH. It is not even close
1 -
I play also alot of Nemesis, I do also believe he is way better then ppl think he is but I would say he is better than Pyramid, our metal head boy has some better advantages than Nemi-chan, especially the ability to straight up ignore DS is really strong which makes this alone better then Nemi but also the ability to attack upsairs which Nemi cant is also a huge advantage.
0 -
true dat
0 -
tbf you cought up as survivor which can reveal your position, I found like that alot of survivors.
0 -
Tbh a knive hit from Trickster is not an actual hit, if you injure the survivor with your 6th knive then you will interrupt the survivor which is fair in my opinion.
0 -
I have been playing Nemesis chan for over 2 weeks only and I do understand that having a 3th health state like that is reasonable to him. If you are good with the tentacle survivors can barely do anything against you in loops. Its almost like a trickster on open loops, you will get hit every moment.
0 -
I dont want to be rude but this makes it obvious that you didnt play alot of Nemesis. The 3th health state is important, Nemesis would be leggit way too strong if he would need just 2 hits to down you with the tentacle. Also 2 zombies are actually enough, I already get atleast every second game 1-2 free hits/down from zombies which is quite huge.
However the unstuck thing would be kinda cool.
0 -
I disagree that it should work that way, but since that's the game's logic, I can't really complain.
0 -
Well it would be really unfair if every hit interrupts a action, it would be literally impossible to unhook someone when the killer is close which would be a guaratued kill everytime.
0 -
Oh, of course, I can’t disagree there. I just hate that that one situation is what allowed numerous Survivors to open gates uninterrupted despite being pelted with knives the whole way through. I digress though.
0 -
ye true dat, but see it that way, every other killer suffers from that too, if you see from the afar opening the game, there is nothing you can do to stop him, I know that feeling xD
0 -
the real answer is the dev's want to slight killer at any possible convenience.
0
![[Deleted User]](https://forums.bhvr.com/applications/dashboard/design/images/defaulticon.png)
