Forget this NFT controversy. I've discovered something far more sinister, and a solution to it all.
So, I just took a look at the official merc store and to my horror there are T Shirts for sale.
Did you know that the energy required to produce just one cotton T Shirt is about 494 kWh!
That's notably more than the average NFT transaction.
There are 32 T shirts for sale... That's 15,808 kWh!
If they sell just 200, and let's be honest they’ve probably sold far more, that would be 98,800 kWh! Comparable to the energy consumption of the average American home for 8 years!
This got me thinking. Considering we're all so concerned. Why don't we actually do something about it? Let's stop wasting precious energy posting about this on the forums, merely feeding into the footprint, and let's instead form a collective to fight back.
We will throw out our PCs, consoles and TVs. Get ridd of our games and phones. Cancel our contracts, our Netflix. But most importantly, we will throw all of our T Shirts in the bin.
If we all do that, we can more than compensate for the footprint BHVR is creating with this NFT nonsense!
Look at how many people are showing concern. Look at all the threads. All it takes is us. Genuinely we can do it. We just have to stand by our principles and give up on some conveniences. Let's go!
Please add yourself to the list below to join the collective!
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Lol'd hard...thank you for that
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Disingenuous, shallow people tend to expect other people to be the same. "Easy lulz from those triggered treehuggers, amirite?!"
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Here's the difference:
I buy a shirt with a credit card - The shirt and credit card transaction use 495 kWh. (Negligible transaction cost)
I buy a shirt with Ether - The shirt and Ether transaction use 672 kWh (Damn I coulda made 1/3 of a shirt with that wasted transaction energy)
I buy a shirt with Bitcoin - The shirt and Bitcoin transaction use 2,273 kWh (Damn I coulda made 3.5 Shirts with that wasted transaction energy)
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Hmm, when did it get to 48 kWh?
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The energy to produce a cotton T shirt is not even close to this, not even 10%. If you're going to troll, at least do it right.
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12 kWh is way off.
But even using your incorrect number, that's 12 x 32 = 384 kWh! By your own admission 335.86 kWh more than the average NFT transaction.
A mere 200 T Shirts? 2,400 kWh!
We need to focus our efforts on the T Shirts.
Do you add your name to the list?
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So your principles stop at T Shirts with fancy graphics or.
These T Shirts are not necessities, they are luxuries.
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I didn't avoid the question as you're well aware. I already know the answer. Anyone can google it. The question was simply the wrong question and was irrelevant to the discussion.
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At the very least a T-shirt has functional use.
Your Uncle's dic-pick scooped up by an NFT bot does not.
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I think the point being made is going over peoples heads. NFT's are currently pointless, and merely to brag you have an excess of money. Here's the question though, where do you draw the line on items that are produced at the cost of the environment? Useless NFT's? Fancy T-shirts? Poor fuel economy SUV's?
The point is all these sudden eco warriors are posting on a forum, for a game that is a massive luxury, essentially wasting energy. Does it pale in energy consumption to NFT's, yes, but if you are truly that much an eco warrior why are you using energy to complain about using energy? People getting upset in this thread missed the point.
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So you admit that you don't care so long as the thing creating the footprint has some kind of a functional use, no matter how small. Correct or?
Well, as established these T Shirts are luxuries, not necessities. Nobody is buying a DBD T Shirt from the official merc store so they may be warm whilst they sleep rough on the streets.
An NFT transaction is also a luxury.
Who are you to decide which luxuries matter and which don't?
The reality is that the consistent sale of these T Shirts requires tremendous energy, orders of magnitude higher than for example, an NFT transaction. No matter how many NFTs BHVR are involved with, the energy consumption won't even come close.
So I really do think we should be focusing on the T Shirts.
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Isn't it 148 kWh, not 48?
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Yet you participate in society. Curious!
I am very intelligent.
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Pretty much! 🍻
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That's a simplistic view which doesn't hold up to reality.
You can't just look at the energy consumption of one element, then take that one element and disregard everything else.
How many NFTs are BHVR involved with?
How many T Shirts have they sold?
Why have the forums not been in flames with posts about the T Shirt controversy?
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Even not being an eco warrior, as QA, inefficient non-scalable systems that end up removing more value from the User piss me off.
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I'm going to buy a whole bunch of NFT's and print them on T-shirts.
Screw this planet
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You really do miss the point a whole lot.
Context my friend.
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This guy 🤣
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If the NFT situation makes 1 person stop and say "Huh. Maybe I should consider my carbon footprint and tone it down a bit", then the job has been done.
Nobody cares that you think we're all hypocrites for buying t-shirts. No one gives 2 sheets about your opinion on what should and shouldn't be done.
Your opinion is not only of little use to us, but little use anywhere. And that goes for anyone who doesn't give a damn about any environmental causes.
This is the world we're leaving YOUR* children. Act accordingly.
*I'm a homo, I have zero reason to care about what happens to your kids.
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That is your logic not his. You are the one not being consistent. You don't need a T-shirt. You don't need half the stuff you have but you have it anyway and there is no way you will even consider giving it up which is why I really don't care about climate change. The supposed eco warriors are all ignorant and full of it and we will either find a technological solution or just have to suck it up and live with it because nobody no matter how much they lie actually cares enough to do anything other then pretend like they care so they can feel smug and superior.
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Oh, so that's who actually buys NTFs!
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op is so edgy
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I just had a stroke reading that
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that attitude of ignoring the problem on favour of calling people hypocrites is a huge issue in itself. At least people who complain about the issues at hand actually acknowledge them. And aren't ignorant because "they participate in society" you realise, consumers have no power in stopping global warming? we as consumers can do nothing to corporations. It's governments that need to pull their weight and do what people voted them in to do. And if they don't, vote them out and get in people with the will to pass bills that will aid in stopping global warming.
The thought that the consumer is to blame and they should feel bad because they buy products that are from a company contributing to global warming is asinine. Why should the consumer be to blame when it's the companies fault for not moving to a sustainable source of energy and production? consumers have no say in how a corporation runs their business, governments do.
In the case of BHVR and DBD, we as a community have the ability to stop BHVRs endorsement of NFTs, because they are objectively bad, your moral compass doesn't matter, NFTs are a problem because of their horrid energy consumption. and their use in illicit activities because of their decentralisation. In making BHVR stop their endorsement we can set an example for other gaming communities to hopefully take their stance if NFTs find their way to their community.
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I mean that attitude is also bullshit.
If you can, buy or use the more efficient product.
Ergo, just use a credit card or press ctrl+c/ctr+v
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idk what's bullshit about what I said. I for one dont mindlessly consume products and do opt for the more efficient with the exception of rare indulgences. Which sure, call me a hypocrite, but at the end of the day my singular contributions are so insignificant compared to those of the companies people try and defend it doesn't matter how I try to improv my lifestyle for the betterment of the world. That's the sad truth of the matter
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How dare you write a joke! Im triggered. Im gonna write a really serious response now @El_Gingero .... ... .. . .
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Good, you're voting with your wallet instead of using the same old product regardless. That apathy of "we can't do anything against corporations" is what I find bullshit since at the very least what you could do is just make a more informed purchase.
Hence why there is all this whining in the first place so people have more information to make a more informed purchase (or vote).
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See. You don't care.
On DBDs merc store, just the T Shirts alone blow all of BHVRs involvement with NFTs out of the water! It doesn’t even come close. This is huge.
Yet...me bringing this important fact to light is me, in your opinion, “running my mouth.”
You even go so far as to suggest that it's moronic! That doesn't sound too friendly!
The T Shirt issue is the bigger fish to fry, and it’s far easier to fix. If you ever decide to become environmentally conscious, can I count on you to add your name to the list?
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All I hear is "wanh Wanh people don't like NFTs. Wanh wanh I'm going to make this completely arbitrary, asinine argument that means nothing to anyone and doesn't even prove the point I'm trying to make because t-shirts have use, an NFT doesn't".
I'm doing my part buddy, I'm in college for Sustainability and Environmental Studies. My plan is to get a job helping cities, hopefully megacities become more sustainable. All you're doing is being pissy on the internet. Anyone who has half a brain sees right through your bullsheet.
You're right, I'm not too friendly to ignorant people. Especially when it comes to environmental causes, because most people are too ignorant to even know what they're talking about. Thanks for making my case for me.
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Here is my calculation on the environmental impact of 10000 Ethereum transactions. Pretty crazy amounts of energy and CO2.
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Incorrect. Also we're talking about far more than one T Shirt.
This is a big deal, at least judging by the whole NFT malarkey. People should be outraged...but instead they’re fighting me! Fighting the solution! Its almost as if nobody truly cares anout the environment. Perplexing.
You should care about this... I'm helping you come to a real solution, as opposed to needlessly increasing the carbon footprint.
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You got the T Shirt, not the sertificate buying the T shirt. Goddamit dude...
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Where have I ignored the problem? I'm directly addressing it. I'm here bringing to light a larger threat hidden in plain sight. T Shirts.
Forget NFTs. We can come back to them later. What matters is the environment, right? The absolute fact of the matter, which nobody refute, is that BHVRs involvement in the sale of T Shirts has had a significantly larger footprint than any of their involvement with NFTs, and it will continue to do so.
So why does nobody seem to care? Very interesting indeed.
Sure, we can show our displeasure at BHVR for their involvement with NFTs. That's fine! There comes a point however where something needs to actually be done. At this stage we’re simply increasing the carbon footprint with all these posts.
These T Shirts are meaningless luxuries. Excess. With all these environmentally-minded individuals turning up to the forums, I see this as a fantastic opportunity to form a collective where we can actually make a genuine, impactful difference. That's what's important, right? The environment.
We need to stop fighting and come together to stop the sale of T Shirts on the merc store, immediately.
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those tshirts have tangible value, produced jobs and supported the economy. NFTs dont produce jobs, help economies or have tangible value. But ok...
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And what I don't think you understand is that NFTs and current cryptocurrencies facilitate said transactions of everything including T-shirts. Unlike an end-product it is attempting to be (and somewhat already is now) a foundational method for product transactions. Even if you abolished T-shirts you'd still have crypto in the background with Crypto Mike™ giving you the Hamberder™ you ordered and then siphoning the gas from your car onto the dirt for shits-n-giggles.
You're free to dispute any wasteful product you want, but you cannot simply choose to then ignore its even more wasteful underlying infrastructure when there are more efficient alternatives already readily available. Well, you can, but you shouldn't be taken seriously if you do. (And yes, I get it that you're trolling, it's actually quite an amusing thought-exercise ngl).
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Imagine snidely and condescendingly defending a moronic pyramid scheme.
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If that’s your takeaway then I don't hold out much hope for your success in college, or your future job prospects...or the environment for that matter, if you've anything to say about it 😂
Honestly though, why are you so angry? This has clearly pushed a few buttons.
I couldn't care less about NFTs. I'm simply calling out hypocrisy and fake activism with basic points. The responses I'm getting prove the points I've already made.
It's an absolute, irrefutable fact that the sale of T Shirts on the merc store has had, does have, and will continue to have a considerably greater impact on the environment than anything BHVR is doing with NFTs.
Its not even close! Yet nobody cares! Who could have seem that one coming, right?
You even admit yourself that you just don't care! Why could that be!?
You think you're doing your part and those thoughts could come with good intentions, but the reality is you're supporting and benefiting from a plethora of luxuries which harm the environment everyday, and going to college won't make a dent in your footprint.
You’re in no position to judge anyone.
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Let me go ahead and pull some numbers, because why not.
Clothing in general provides roughly 10% of all carbon emissions a year. That's equal to about 1.2B tons of CO2 equivalent. (https://www.climatecouncil.org.au/resources/fast-fashion-climate-change/)
BItcoin, on the other hand, has produced 36.95MEGATONS in the last year. (https://digiconomist.net/bitcoin-energy-consumption)
Nope, you really don't have a point.
Edit - you also aren't taking into account how many fashion companies are now carbon neutral. I looked for the manufacturer of DBDs clothing and I can't find it, but if it's any of the big ones, Hanes, FTL, etc, they're all carbon neutral, which means your point flies right out the window.
Oh yeah, why don't you go ahead and cite your sources, btw?
Edit 2 - oh yeah, let's throw in Etherium since I didn't even notice it on the page. Etherium has put out 37.85MEGATONS of CO2 in the last year. (https://digiconomist.net/ethereum-energy-consumption/)
Get back to me when any clothing manufacturer gets that high.
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Dunno, I don't think you've considered the opportunity cost of criticizing people going to College meaning they'll choose not to potentially suffer from higher-learning and apathy which could have resulted in them refusing to have kids, ultimately severing their future genetic lineage's carbon impact on all future generations which given the Universal scale of time could make their current carbon cost of going to college unimaginably small in comparison, my dude.
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Actually on second thought, I'm going to go through that little tirade of yours to further elucidate.
All I hear is "wanh Wanh people don't like NFTs. Wanh wanh I'm going to make this completely arbitrary, asinine argument that means nothing to anyone and doesn't even prove the point I'm trying to make because t-shirts have use, an NFT doesn't"
Eloquently written, I'm sure by a pleasant individual, however it's a fundamental misunderstand of my point. My argument is very straightforward and irrefutable. I will break it down:
BHVR: T Shirts = Luxury.
BHVR: NFT = Luxury.
1) Production and sale of T Shirts has substantially greater environmental impact.
2) T Shirt = easier solution.
3) Yet nobody cares about T Shirts.
4) Hypocrisy.
5) Fake activism.
All you're doing is being pissy on the internet.
Interesting. I'm in a perfectly good mood. I don't believe I've written anything remotely “pissy.”
You on the other hand...
Anyone who has half a brain sees right through your bullsheet.
My argument is not only simple, but strictly logical and irrefutable. Note how you've been unable to refute it, despite claiming that half a brain is all that's required. You do have half a brain at least? 😅
You're right, I'm not too friendly to ignorant people. Especially when it comes to environmental causes, because most people are too ignorant to even know what they're talking about. Thanks for making my case for me. Anyone who has half a brain sees right through your bullsheet.
I find it odd how you claim to be protective of the environment, yet you happily admit that you don't care about the environmental impact of the production and sale of T Shirts, A bit inconsistent!
If my argument is so easy to “see through,” why has nobody done that yet? I would be more than happy for you to provide me with a counterargument.
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Whataboutism at it's finest in this OP.
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I've already proven you wrong. My job is done here.
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You’ve done nothing of the sort, but we can leave it at that if you’d like. We’ll agree to disagree.
Are you trying to suggest that the sale of T Shirts on the merc store has had less of an environmental impact than BHVRs involvement with NFTs?
Yes! Substantially! Even using the (incorrect) numbers you suggested earlier, just 200 T Shirts would = 2,400 kWh!
The accurate numbers are even higher. Clearly we need to reevaluate our priorities.
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I mean you can stick your head in the sand, but my numbers up there are sourced and proven. You've yet to provide any sources and all of this is your own conjecture, not to mention that if the tshirts being made are made with carbon neutral companies you literally no longer have a point at all.
But you keep pretending you've done something here. We will continue to laugh at you.
Go ahead and cite your sources. Let's see what research you've done.
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That doesn't refute my argument.
This NFT malarkey is hypocritical. When it comes down to it nobody actually cares enough to do anything other than add to the footprint with excessive forum posts.
Sure, let it be known how unhappy you are with BHVR. I've nothing against that, however at this stage it’s devolved into meaningless circle-jerking.
None of the people posting are going to give up any of their luxuries which harm the environment, so who are they to make demands?
There are far bigger fish to fry than NFTs. Just look at the gaming industry! Yet, we don't see all these gamers up in arms about that. How curious.
The merc store is responsible for a far greater carbon footprint than any of BHVRs involvement with NFTs.
That's just a fact.
When presented with this fact, nobody cares.
They continue to sit at their gaming PCs, connected to their broadband, posting on the forums of the video game they choose to play, fists shaking at their 4k monitors, horrified and appalled at BHVR, and NFTs.
We could get into blockchain as a whole, or the mobile phone industry, or the automobile industry, so on so forth, and it would simply highlight my point further.
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"The Merc store is far greater blah blah blah" except it isn't. And I've proven that above with sources. All clothing is 1/5 the footprint of crypto as a whole and crypto is required for NFTs.
If you can't even get your facts straight how are you gonna preach about hypocrisy?
You think you're doing some grand "ah ha gotcha!" Moment. But you aren't. And the even funnier part is, you didn't do any research to see if those very things your ragging on, are carbon neutral which means you literally do not have a point. None.
I don't normally call out environmental ######### personally because nobody wants to hear it and they aren't going to listen to me.
But as I said earlier, if all of this bitching and "hypocrisy" leads 1 person to rethink their carbon footprint, then it's worth it.
Cite. Your. Sources.
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The numbers you posted are irrelevant, though I'll give you credit for at least posting them.
I on the other hand don't need to cite any sources. My argument is very straightforward. Demanding that someone “cites their sources” when their argument requires no such thing is a weak attempt to discredit them when you've no counterargument to offer.
I don't need to pretend anything. I made this post for a few reasons, but in part it was to expose hypocrisy and it has done that remarkably well.
You’re in college for Sustainability and Environmental Studies, yet you admit that you don't care about the environmental impact of BHVRs merc store, flippantly dismissing it, and that you think I'm “running my mouth” for bringing the numbers to light. I wonder how that attitude will serve you in your future endeavours.
Your anger is wasted and there's really not much else for us to say. All the best.
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If the environmental impact is neutral then you don't have a point.
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