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A message for those who play killer
Dear fellow friends, we all know that the game balance is terrible at the moment and that's impossible to win a trial properly without camping and tunneling at high MMR.
But i want to tell you that we are also responsible of this situation 😐️. Indeed, using cheap mechanics as camping and tunneling just to get our wins (3k+) or to secure a draw (2k) is a terrible idea as statistics are artificially tweaked to 2k average doing so.
So here is what we HAVE TO do :
- Start a trial keeping in mind that you cannot win against survivors at your real MMR level
- Never camp nor tunnel
- Do not use NOED
- Play fair no matter what and try to get as many hooks as possible
- If you have the choice between a fresh survivor or a survivor that has already been hooked, go for the fresh one
- Accept to loose 80%+ of your trials
This will result in terrible stats and show how unbalanced the game is. If the average kills is between 0,8 and 1,2, BHVR will see how terrible is the killer's experience and that they have to fix the balance.
ATM, we, the killer community, are comforting the devs in their idea that the game is pretty balanced as it is (50% kill rate).
If we continue to camp and tunnel to get our usual 2k+, we will have to stick with this garbage game design for years as the developers will never hear our voice.
If as a killer you want BETTER and FUNNIER trials, start to loose most of them and play as the game should be played : patrolling gens and chasing survivors.
DO NOT CAMP, DO NOT TUNNEL.
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I mean I already do that for a while, no need to sweat if MMR is a worthless invisible number anyway.
All I care about is BP so 4 BBQ stacks and some good chases are my win conditions.
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Jokes on you, I already lose most of my games. Still going to face camp whenever one of them annoys me, however. And so far? I really dislike Mikaela players. Lots of victims need a hammer smashed face.
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The fact that MMR incentivizes you to lose your games means that it's bad.
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I already do that since camping and tunnelling are boring as ######### so sure
Also the game is pretty balanced
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this just sounds like a boycott with extra steps.
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Exactly this ^
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Same, this has been my playstyle for the last 2,5 years. No use in tryharding when all it gets you is more stress.
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Yeah + if you do this you will get noob enough survivors you will be getting more kills, lol.
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Hello there, first time here.
TLDR- Do not lose on purpose, the only one that will be fooled is yourself.
I just wanted to say that although I understand your point, I don't think this will help at all. Most people just want to have 2 to 3 matches and have fun, and don't care about losing or winning, but i don't think that you cannot win against survivors with your MMR level, i mean, it's hard, you may sweat a bit, but you can always win a match, even agaist better survivors. A sole survivor makes a mistake, and then, the match is on your side. Tbh, i never camp, and i try not to tunnel excluding some mistakes again, on the survivors side, or some players i enjoy chasing, i never use NOED and i tend to end the matches with 10 to 12 hooks. Why would i accept to lose? I would never want to lose any match, when i enter the realm, i have the win in my mind, and if i lose, then i go to the next match, or i change my killer to get a little fresh in mind.
The real problem here is that before MMR was a thing, you can find survivors with 10 hours paired with survivors with 10k, and finding the weak link was easyer, so you got a real advantage at the start of the match. The game is not real balanced this days, but at least, is more fair. You can accept that, or you can complain that you no longer will be able to have 50 wins in a row like, or 100 or 200 like Otz or Dowsey have done, because the more the MMR is going forward, you'll find that you'll play more agaist people of the same level as you. But to lose on purpose, in order to fool the system, only will fool you. You won't get "BETTER and FUNNIER" matches, you'll abuse new and casual players only to fulfill your ego and some arrogant desires. It's a normal thing if you want to think that you are the better, but to play as the worst in order to get to that confortable place, is the same as saying "Lakers should only play against 3rd graders in order to win more and have better and funnier matches". Don't be like that, try to win, not to lose, put your sweat and your soul in the game, and the reward will be a lot better when you win a hard match against god-like survivors than when you win against Baby-Dwights hiding in lockers.
I cannot agree more with your last line. Do not camp, do not tunnel, play fair :D
Sorry for the brick (i don't know if that's the current way to say it, in my country we use brick as a long text :D)
Much love, and have a great day <3
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I do not camp or tunnel unless it is the only option left (exit gates open, person hooked nearby). The funny part is that by playing for hooks and counting my succes that way or by just playing the BBQ-Game (4 stacks = win) I force more escapes. This should support you goal.
I did not use NoeD for quit some time even thou I find that perk quit okay. It is just not fitting for Cenobite, Ghostface and most Killers I play. NoeD lacks the immersion I want to see on my perks. Like serious: Cenobite is about tourturing, killing would be just a side effect but not the main goal.
As such well... I already do that. Most survivors are quit okay, sometimes you get the brat-survivor that things bad-mannering but Ghostface has the counter and can just t-bag back at them.
Yes, yes, I see you found your way to the church of BBQ-Game too. Its good here, we got all the BP.
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What killers do you usually play? I also mostly play for stacks and BP now. Well been in a break for a few weeks but yeah. I'ma BP addict.
It's like any game, if it gave you a way to earn double XP, there's no way I wouldn't do it.
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Or just stop playing killer.
The devs will have to do something if the wait times are so horrendous it makes you wonder why a large margin no longer wish to play the "power role".
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Problem, I like to switch targets a lot, so I often "tunnel" by accident :D
Give me better hook counter and I will gladly get everyone on dead hook.
I am too lazy to remember it, I can't be bothered. Just, you get downed, on hook with you...
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Oni, Demo, Pig, PH, Blight, Myers, Trapper and lately trying out new Plague and re-learning Nurse if I am bored.
I like to play survivor the most, but the BP gain is very low there
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Till you reach a MMR where you average 2k playing properly.
But i don't think it's possible as there is only a soft MMR cap.
It means that even if there is no killer anymore at high MMR, high MMR survivors will be matched against middle MMR killers, resulting in 0/1 kill.
If most killers don't sweat and never use camping/tunneling, the kill rate will drastically drop around 30% i guess. Good enough to show that it is unbalanced.
Also, if we begin the process now, as there are high MMR killers, they would loose 90% of their trials for maybe 10, 20 trials in a row. Factor this with all the high MMR killer players and you would get thousands trials with a kill rate around 15%, at high MMR.
Devs could not ignore that.
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That's the thing, if you only aim for the 4 stacks and then 8/"as many hooks as you can get" without tryharding, then all killer become viable.
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Just play chill or play a Killer you really enjoy.
Crack Billy is the only reason I play now.
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I love how Booba cleans his hammer after hitting survs with it.
My favorite m1.
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The biggest problem with the here promoted playstyle is the need to have an incredibly thick skin since survivor will inevitably become arrogant and toxic if they notice the killer being "weak" (intentional or not).
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Prepare to lose 80% of my matches? Jokes on you, I've already been doing that for a month.
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a month? Those are rookie numbers...
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Nah fam, ill continue to go for kills since that's what im supposed to do as the killer. I won't water down my experience just to stomp survivors with less experience. I'm sick of people constantly saying that its wrong to camp or tunnel since its valid in some cases and helps you do your job. There's no reason to "play fair" since anything I do in the trial is valid and within my rights as long as I don't cheat. Promoting killers to not try and kill defeats the purpose of playing as the killer, im not the survivors babysitter.
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If they didn't hide who's been hooked from the killer, I could easily avoid tunneling. But I'm with you - sometimes I tunnel accidentally.
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You do you, Bubba.
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If you play survivor as well, you know that most of them are total potatoes.
I have faced a survivor as a killer, he was arrogant and toxic as ######### but what he doesn't know is that i have been matched with him as a survivor may times before that too and my friend & I are dodging him as he is a total noob preshotting all pallets.
He has no skill at all but the game assists so much survivors with 20 pallets, 3 windows and Meta perks that even full garbage low skill piece of sh*t survivors like him are able to feel pros and become arrogant.
I have seen so many noobie survivors thinking they are awesome players just because they hold a killer for 3 gens using 5 pallets. If there were only 8 pallets on the map, wasting 5 pallets so fast would be detrimental for the rest of the team. Fact is there are 20 pallets and some infinite combinations (pallets + windows).
If we want the game to be balanced with a huge Maps/survivor nerf, we need to loose as we would normally do if we don't tunnel.
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none of this is any players fault, only devs can ######### the game up like this and they did
and your conditions might not be fun for everyone, so worthless post really
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As if killer didn't already have to juggle attention between 4 survivor, the progress on 7 gens, pallets/walls/hooks, and their 5 totems.
And the argument that it would make tunneling easier if the killer knew the number of hooks on each survivor is ridiculous since a true tunneler doesn't need any indicator.
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Get to where you know you'd win and shift priorities to a rift goal
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Well, most killers are bored about the fact that they have to camp, tunnel and use NOED. You are not one of them, fine for you but you clearly represent 1% of the playerbase.
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Well you may be right with the skill of some survivor and I already said above that i play like op suggested for more than 2 years.
But at the same time i only play a few times a month since I get tired of survivor thinking they are hot stuff after I intentionally let them go.
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Way ahead of you.
Never felt the need to camp or tunnel.
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Exactly! If someone is going to tunnel, they're going to tunnel. No amount of side information is going to change their tactic. I remember when they added the hook count. Their rationale makes literally no sense at all, and you'd think they'd want to put in more tools to help counter tunneling instead of less.
But the devs don't play their own game so.....
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My problem is, it doesn't really stop tunneling. If you wanna tunnel, you know who is target, so you just have more tunneling, because some killers do it by accident :D
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I don't camp, but depending on the situation, I tunnel. Depending on the build, I also use noed. I play the way I enjoy it, Survs play the way they have fun. I could now also say, stop Flashlight saves and accept the lost game. Will anyone do that? I dont think so. So I play the way I always play...
To me, it almost sounds like a new rulebook for Killers. 😅
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Yeah that's also the only reason I killed anybody in the last six months, forgetting who is already hooked twice. So i sometimes am "forced" by my playstyle of 8hooks with 0kills to stop at 6 or seven hooks because I forgot.
And to your last sentence, yeah, just yetserday, somebody posted the video with instablinds again, it's hilarious 😂. Especially with the background knowledge that that dev said flashlights where okay shortly prior to that.
Sadly that's the only recorded video i know of a dev getting so roasted by stuff the proclaimed "balanced".
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I started doing that as well. I'll still camp and tunnel if I know it will get me a 3 or 4k, but if it's at endgame I'll just get my hook and let them have the escape.
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you don't really have to do any of that, just lose the game and go next or uninstall and don't play until they realize the player count is so low they gotta do smth
i hate camping, its boring and i never do that
I do tunnel sometimes, if it's endgame and i got nothing else to do at that moment
and noed overall is a dumb and boring perk that doesn't even work anymore thanks to boons being stronger than killer hexes, using it just increases your mmr even more so everyone should try to avoid using it unless they really wanna get sweat match every game
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Alternatively Killers could play literally any other game, like Quake. Now THAT'S a good game. I love me some Quake.
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Just because someone reaches a point where they start 2k'ing or losing doesn't mean they have high MMR. It's weird that every killer on this forum has high MMR.
Do you have to be a bit sweaty at times? Sure. Do you have to hard camp and tunnel every game to win? Absolutely not. Since the first week of SBMM, the games haven't really been any more difficult than they were in the past for the most part. Gens got a little faster, but I just started running stronger builds to compensate. And I haven't had anything less than a 3k on any killer in over 2 weeks, so either MMR is broken for me, or what I've said is true about people who belong at a higher MMR.
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You can't tell me what to do
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It all depends where your MMR is.
If half your games are against obvious trioQ/SWF full META with items + add-ons well you are at high MMR and it's impossible to win any trial.
But as the number of killers have significantly dropped (queue times longer for survivors), even at high MMR, you will face average survivors now. So i guess your games have been easier the last two weeks.
But when i play as a SWF, i win almost 100% of the trials... with boon totems it became a joke.
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I appreciate your post, this is what i was waiting for in our community. even though i just started to play as killer, i always agreed that this is the most fair and fun way to play, if we don't mind getting 1 or no kills at all.
On my last match i got only 3 hooks and 1 dc's.
The only thing that quite annoyed me was that the remaining survivors were waiting for me at the gate until the last few seconds.
It was pretty nerve-wracking to waste my time like that. but beside that, the game was okay and pretty good practice.
I hope that survivors will change their playstyle as well.
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Iike your post, i already started that. I dont want to rush. I wanna have fun. So i loose 90% of my game hoping they can buff killer one day. Ive stoped camping at the end, when all 5 gens are done i open the the door and while they t bag me i push them to exit
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Yes i guess it's time for the community to protest smartly.
No need to yell at the developers on this forum. I have done it, many players, too many have done it and it has never brought anything.
Tanking their statistics by playing normally without faking losses but without faking wins either OR stopping to play as a killer till they fix it are the best ways to show that the community is cohesive and that we are the one playing the game and, globally, paying their payslips.
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You can tell you can't take the advise of a post when they say "Don't use NOED". Anyone good at the game knows it's a useless perk that makes you play the whole match with only 3 perks, and most likely won't go off at the end - in addition to it's abundance of counters.
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I'll play how i want
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I don’t think it will change anything. Playing “fairly” is exactly what they want from killers, so that survivors are entertained with chases and interactions, but still escape, happy end. Killers don’t matter in this scenario. Stats also don’t matter as long as survivors are happy, Spirit and Slinger were nerfed based off survivors feelings, not stats. Only if survivors have long queues, then maybe something will change, or maybe they will add killer bots to low mmr, who knows.
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Ok then, if you are not ready to take smart actions to force the devs to improve the current state of the game, stop complaining about it 🙂❤️😘
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If survivors want to feel like they're being held by hand and given easier treatment whole time with meta items, perks and voicecoms, let them have it. It feels lot more satisfying dominating over sweaty swf playing addonless clown with gimmicky builds than to play same old 4-5 perk killer meta with best addons, it gets boring fast. I used to stress alot during my games, but now when I play killer I can usually tell by the first few minutes of the game how's it gonna end, so I just end up practicing using my power if it requires some kind of aiming and don't take it too seriously because everyone playing this game for longer, knows how much easier survivor role is, even if playing solo, most of the times I die is because I was goofing around ,looting chests ,doing dull bones, being immersed for the laughs etc.
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Pwned!
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