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PSA: Old Legion is back!
This isn't a joke. This isn't hyperbole. They have literally reintroduced Old Legion, without the exploits.
Let me explain. As many of you know, Old Legion was an abomination that should never have seen the light of day. Without any exploits, what a Legion would do is stab you, stab you again, go into fatigue, chase you, Frenzy, and stab until you die.
The issue here was that Old Legion could deplete a portion of your Deep Wound Timer with Frenzy attacks. It was -10 secs off a 30-sec timer, so it would be 1/3 of the gauge. The current equivalent would be 6.7 of a 20-sec timer.
Was this viable? No! It made Legion a laughing stock. It took too long to down someone.
And if you're sensing a "but" incoming, you'd be correct. You can't counter this. Pallet drop? Nope. They can vault. Window? They can do it too. Hug a wall tightly? Full freedom of moment. Back then, even missing did nothing since they had no penalty for it.
So Legion got a sizeable rework. However, a little remnant we had were two add-ons. Stab Wounds Study and Frank's Mixtape.
Frank's Mixtape depletes the Deep Wound Timer by 7.5 secs when you hit a survivor with Deep Wound. You'd still get fatigued, the long recovery, and so on. This has since been changed to 5 secs with the 20-sec timer standardization.
Stab Wounds Study was 5 seconds of the 30-second timer. Like Mixtape, it was changed with the 20-second standardization, this one becoming 3 seconds.
If you were to use these in tandem, they'd be worthless. It would take you 72 seconds of pure recovery time to down someone unless they stood still for a few moments.
However, in an undocumented change, Stab Wounds Study was buffed from 3 seconds to 5. Why is this a big deal? That's 1 less hit Legion needs to down you. From 72 seconds to 48. That's a 24-second difference.
What I've seen people do is tunnel 1 poor soul, make them drop pallets either in a desperate attempt to stun Legion or to stop the 4.6-killer from basic attacking them, create a mass deadzone, still get a down, and now you can potentially turn things around by playing dirty.
It's probably not viable against good teams or on certain maps, but the problem remains.
Where was skill in this? What could the survivor have done? Where was the counterplay?
There is none. You will get downed by that Legion. They have hard-capped that chase time. Your skill is irrelevant and you're going to die. Oh, your team can still win the game. It takes 48 seconds to down someone, so a Legion can get... let's say 4 downs before the game is over. 1 person is dead, 1 about to get camped to death, and the resources are gone.
Not to mention! You're still 4.6 and a short killer. You can still do regular mind-games and get a down before your power is back. You can effectively guarantee a "tie" as far as the mmr is concerned.
This... this is an abomination. I don't know if this was a test, a mistake, or what, but this version of the killer should not exist. Keep a very good eye on your DW timer guys; if a chunk is missing once DW is applied and then another goes quickly, then you know what's happening.
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I wouldn't call it old Legion exactly, since it still takes a lot of time to recharge your power, with old Legion it took just a few seconds.
But it's much more viable than before, I'll always play this build when I want to turn of my brain and just get some bloodpoints, and who knows, maybe I get a kill or two now!
EDIT: Just to clarify, these add-ons shouldn't exist, but for the time being, lets just have some fun.
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Pseudo Old Legion?
Nice.
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I think survivors who complain about Legion shouldn't exist. Watch any Legion, it takes him roughly 1.5m to stab someone to death and it's more than enough to repair 3 gens by that time.
So Legion trades 1 hook for 3 gens and u call it broken? Without any jokes? U should be happy when u go against Legion with Franks Mix tape.
Legion is a noob stomper and has nothing to go against decent survivors.
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I'm conflicted. Part of me wants to try this just to say I did. Part of me isn't willing to subject anybody to this.
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I got excited for no reason.
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I already went against this legions with both Franx's mixtape and the Stab Wound purple adddon, is the same gameplay as old legion, but takes forever to down the survivor, the gameplay is boring, but until the legion downs you, it take forever
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Might try this just for a laugh. I won't hold it against any survivor that decides to take advantage of the DC penalty being off.
For full nostalgia I'll moonwalk in chase even though it doesn't do anything.
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Fair assessment. Although Old Legion had a pathetic duration, especially with a partial charge, so he'd need to catch up as 4.4 killer while his gauge filled. Hard to quantify the down time.
Yes, I do call this broken. I'm not a survivor player. You can look at my history and see me defending SPIRIT of all things. THIS is an abomination that shouldn't exist. It's not a matter of "this is an instant win." It's the fact this is completely unfair with 0 counter.
I'm not calling this viable. I'm calling it BS.
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50 seconds minimum to down a survivor? Legion still loses.
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It's not a matter of viability. It's a matter of being completely unfair with 0 counter.
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If I pick any other killer and tunnel u whole game will u call it no counter?
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Depends. Can I throw a pallet and not die? (Unless you're Nurse)
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So you hit someone with frenzy, wait for your power to come back and hit them again? Can you not vacuum them into a pallet? Don't you have dead hard?
Seems like a dumb gimmick and very minor nuisance.
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How blind can these devs be man. Everything that needed to be done was reworking both of these addons, but noooo let's buff them.
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Any Legion worth their salt knows not to blindly run into a pallet. They will wait until it's dropped or you're away.
And Dead Hard... i mean, really? That's the solution? A perk? One that can be baited out and it's ability to give distance rendered meaningless in this scenario?
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It's fascinating how people are confusing fun with viability. Legion was trash, and this gimmick is even more trash (current Legion is also sort of trash but has gameplay). It speaks volumes of the mentalities of many people in this game, where I'm sure they'd argue that a killer getting a free down for just standing still would be 100% fine if the killer wasn't 'viable' yet they'd get something from it (probably stomp casuals).
This is dumb, Legion is in desperate need of a rework and hopefully the coming changes remove this garbage DW stuff. Give them something unique and not 'My power is literally stabbing people and detecting them for some reason that makes no sense'.
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It's about time we saw some love as killer. It's a minor buff nothing major
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there is counter to it. You let legion hit you and when he recovers from his swing, you throw a pallet on him, this prevents legion stabbing you twice.
There is no real counter to it in term preventing him from downing you completely. you could say that about most killers that chase you for 72 seconds with bloodlust 3 though unless your using the very safe pallets that force pallet breaks.
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Back? I've been using these addons on and off for months lol.
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Okay I tried it
I mean it works...it takes a very long time but it works. Although when survivors realise you don't want to hit them normally they just start mending on the spot and ofc you have a long recharge.
Was kinda funny, will not be doing it again.
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Tbf, There's more ways to counter a Frenzying Legion compared to his initial release. Legion no longer sees blood marks so it's possible to hide against him and any miss equals a 4 second CD meaning locker jukes or 360s can buy you some time.
It's not much and overall won't really matter.
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I think it would be easier to just tunnel with Leatherface... Rofl.
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To be fair, that's not a great build for going for Frenzy downs. Surge/Jolt doesn't go off on Frenzy downs. Enduring is unnecessary because you should be able to respect every pallet in the world since Frenzy lets you vault pallets and doubles the movespeed difference between you and Survivors. I don't know why you're running Undying without another Hex (anti boons?). You might have more luck with a build like Lethal/Corrupt, Thrilling, Pop, and Deadlock or Dying Light.
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Old Legion didn't need to hit you twice.
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Oh yeah this is a terrible build lol. I realised I hadn't changed off my standard legion build when there were 20 seconds to go, enduring and surge are from that. Of the two perks I did quickly switch one of them actually is a hex, it's blood favour/undying. And I got Hawkins so decent value from those two at least.
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It’s not unfair at all. You will go down eventually to every killer due to limited resources and bloodlust.
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People aren't getting the point and it's quite sad.
Yes, you'll go down to any killer, but you both have a SAY in the chase duration. Your plays and misplays determine how long the chase goes on. A Franks Legion hard caps a chase, and there is quite literally nothing that significantly slows that down. It's awful, it's not viable, but there is absolutely zero gameplay to it as there is no kind of input that you have as Survivor that can have any meaningful impact on the chase. You'll just die in ~48 seconds no matter what you do.
Just because the addon combination is objectively awful doesn't mean that it doesn't promote extremely braindead, zero-skill gameplay that can turn some sort of a result for a killer using it, even if the result they get is bad.
I think people are mistaking "unhealthy" for "unbalanced."
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Git gud
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Didn't they say stab wounds being buffed to 5 seconds was a bug
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You made a thread to tell people about something that makes legion worse than they already are?
Nice meme
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I have no doubt they will rework these add-ons once the legion changes come around, but until then we’re stuck with this interesting little add-on combo.
It is indeed very unhealthy for the game though.
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3 stabs with this combination when?
Old legion again when?
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@Dumpstick The time investment required to down/tunnel someone with frenzy hits is significantly longer than simply M1’ing. This isn’t a Legion problem.
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Guaranteed 30 second downs? Just like the good old days...
and by good, I mean terrible
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