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For all those survivors that have an issue with camping and tunneling, I challenge you!
The challenge is simple:
- Pick a killer
- Play the killer
- Play nicely, never camp, never tunnel
See how survivors respond... every time I start playing the game I try and the result is always the same; Gens fly, survivors click away, tea bag and without failure gather up in the exit gate and wait till the very last moment to leave... because winning alone isn't enough, they need to tea bag at the exit gate or spam you with sound notifications if you don't show up.
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Let me address the focus of the replies below:
It is hilarious that people are so dead set on the teabagging aspect of the comment, while not understanding that it is about the hypocrisy of those that dislike tactics because of the argument 'it is not fun for the other side' therefore do not do it!
Teabag away, click away... I really could care less about it. It is about the idea that killers need to conform and consider the 'fun' of the opponents while clearly that is not the same for both. All these arguments I keep reading on: camping isn't fun for the survivors, tunneling isn't fun for the survivors. These people are those that I challenge to play nice and see how that feels. I play both sides as well, I understand the frustrations of both and I personally see no issues in people tunneling and camping when they feel the need to do so, just as I understand that survivors focus on gens and camp pallets, etc.
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I play both sides but I still teabag at the exit. what is my challenge?
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That's how I play and I have fun playing like that.
Then again, my ego isn't so inflated that someone squatting at the exit gate with a dress-up doll, sends me into a blind rage either.
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Does a video game character rubbing their pixelated taint on the ground bother you that much? Look at it from the outside and you'll realize how silly and frankly dumb it is. On both sides.
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Being triggered by people being obnoxious has nothing to do with having a big ego
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I play exactly like that and I don't see a problem, it's Just a game, I'm not in the olympics. And it's not just because I want to be a good sport, but because I'm tired of being tunneled/camped every single match in solo q, so I'm frustrated to the point of not being a **** to others.
I feel like people look for excuses Just to 4k and demolish every single survivor team, swf or not.
But do as you please, after all, isn't this the "tunneling meta" ?! , Do as you please.
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To be fair I get being annoyed. It's pretty damn rude in my opinion.
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You're gonna spend your life annoyed then. So many people out there that don't give a ######### about being rude. Many that like being rude.
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I'm with you, it annoys me.
It's not the action of the silly character doing the funny bouncing up and down that annoys me, it's the fact you get people playing a rigged game, but then still deriving obvious pleasure from rubbing it in your face that they won. It just triggers me that people like this exist. Go get good at a proper game.
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People who say you shouldn't feel bad when someone waits at the exit gate to tbag you, I hope you don't mind when bubba cutiepie rev his chainsaw in your face until you die.
Otherwise you are hypocrite.
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Also, if you know they are waiting for you in the gates and you're getting annoyed, then just don't go there, find the Hatch, break walls, don't give em more points if you're upset.
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Stay away from the gates, spam your power for points, find pallets and walls to break.
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I challenge you to not poop for 3 days.
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Thank you, someone that gets the point of the post!
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Fine with any tactic as long as the killer doesn't sacrifice my fun for a loosely defined win.
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That only works on Hag and Trapper
Killers like Nurse and Huntress get no points for using their power unless they hit someone with it
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So, are you fine with the survivors using all means necessary to sacrifice your fun for a loosely defined win or simply to trigger you to undermine your fun? See the hypocrisy of your statement?
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Yet does your ego get hurt if the killers play in a specific way as a survivor? As I think I am pretty clear on which people I address. Do you understand that the people doing those actions are trying to negatively impact the other side and hurt their 'inflated ego' as you call it?
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Well I know this as a challenge, but... I dont camp or tunnel any of my games and I still get 4ks every now and then. I say that because I would get more 4ks if I didnt let the last survivor just leave, which I usually do.
Demo, Ghostface, Trickster, Pig... you name it
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I know, it was just a little advice.
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Another person that fails to understand the intent behind the post; It is not about the outcome of the game, it is about the behavior of the people you face and the entitlement of those that believe that demand their opponents play a specific way. If you win good, if you lose also fine as you cannot win them all.
How do the survivor's act towards you, do they relieve the gen pressure when you are having a rough time, do they not tea-bag you or click away with flashlights trying to poke you for a negative reaction?
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I don't see that as a good reason to tunnel or camp so I just assumed you meant to say that it's the only viable option
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Does it annoy you when someone flips you off in real life, it is pretty silly and frankly dumb... look at it from the outside it is just a gesture, yet the intent behind it is pretty clear? Sound notification spamming or macro clicking actually are painfully obnoxious and not actually enjoyable to the ears. If you cannot understand that the acts themselves are meant to provoke a negative reaction, you are not looking at it from an objective standpoint. The fact that it does or does not trigger the other person is actually irrelevant to the fact.
The act of tunneling and camping usually is not intended to annoy or frustrate the other party or deny them fun as they claim, but is a player trying to win a match. Look at it from the outside, being upset about that in a game is also silly and dumb.
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What.... I never said anything about it being the only viable option and it is not the point I am making. They are valid and viable options, they are not the only options. They are viable tools within your toolbox to use, just the same as proxy camping/intercepting the save, going for a 3 gen, slugging, etc. Frankly if you just do them without any thought behind it, the chances are once you get better they aren't going to pan out in a lot of cases.
Do you refute my statement that survivors are not concerned about your enjoyment when you play killer?
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no, for all players fun's my priority.
as long as people are having fun with the game, I'm happy.
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Do my challenge... see how much survivor's consider the killers fun and then tell me that there isn't a double standard being pushed.
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No one does in real life though. Because real life has consequences. The Internet rarely does. You can't intertwine the two which is what you're trying to do. If someone wants to come up to me and flip me the bird in real life, consequences of some form will be dealt. None of us can do ######### about trolls online.
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I play killer 70% of the time, and I don't camp or tunnel.
some people t-bag, but if they t-bag, they're losing distance in chase.
it's just a game. I respect many people take it serously, but I don't care a ton about 4ks all the time. (although I do 3-4k about 90% of the time)
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I wouldn't know that information. I do know that survivors still say GG after a game, even when they lose or die. I don't think too many people want to specifically be negative towards other players but like I said... I can't get that info for you 😓
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Once again, I am addressing people that come to complain about camping and tunneling. If you claim nothing can do anything against trolls online, then you are telling me that camping and tunneling are totally acceptable strategies and there is nothing to complain about. This is the internet after all.
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If survivors clearly win and are better at the game, they can do sound notifs and tbagging as much as they wish, I don't give two shits about it. If they obviously won (e.g. 2 hook states only and the exit gates are powered) I just open the gate, go into the corner and force them out of the game.
What I find incredibly insulting and rude is that they have to spam you with messages in the end-game chat "gg ez, noob killer, good looping grandpa, yade-yade-yada". Remember kids, words can hurt more than a fist to the face, you don't know what someone else is going through and they just want to distract themselves with a game they enjoy. Best not to bully them in said game also. :)
INB4 ANY SELF-PROCLAIMED MATHIEU COTE COMES IN HERE AND SAYS "JUST PLAY ANOTHER GAME IF YOU CAN'T BEAR THE INSULTS":
Just stop... What if the person actively enjoys playing the game ITSELF, but the community is just forcing them to rip out all their hair from all the insults and bullying.
It legit takes people 0 amount of time, effort and money to write a nice message saying "ggwp, was fun game" or anything similar. Don't live out your own insecurities on some stranger on the internet because you are the victim of domestic abuse in your school/work/home.
Grow the ######### up and act like an adult.
Alright I gave it my two cents, time to have all the salty people on the forum reply with "Someone had a bad day in DbD, oh poor you cry me a river, etc etc..." Toxicity disappoints me and amuses all at the same time. :)
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Camping and tunneling are not only acceptable strategies but are viable strategies built into the game for us to use.
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Wait so you are telling me:
- If you have 1 hook and 1 gen left they ease up the pressure and allow you to come back.
- The survivors did not teabag you during the game.
- The survivors aren't compulsory clicking their flashlights at you.
- Not trying to prevent you getting your first hook, etc.
We are talking about in game actions that people do, that are not considered fun or nice for the other side.
Do you win every game you play and even if you win, how do they act within the premise of the game.
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May I remind you of the subject, as I am very aware of that fact:
"FOR ALL THOSE SURVIVORS THAT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH CAMPING AND TUNNELING, I CHALLENGE YOU!"
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Oh... ok then
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I've played loads of games with different killers and played like that. Most of the time the survivors appreciate not camping, there are the few swf teams that load up on perks to play together all the time, that they just get toxic all game. It does not bother me, I just pressure gens and mess around. I get no hooks or kills, they get very little BP and don't pip up. I have fun just messing around and they get there backs up.
If they teabag so what, it does not change my life, it does not decrease my points. If they start getting anti it the endgame chat, I just say ggs and move on.
I'd rather have fun on my terms then just be bored standing by a hook to get one kill
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Preventing a hook is all about survival and protecting others. I think you even get protection points for taking hits while the killer is holding a survivor.
I don't end the game on 1 hook. Something has to go horribly wrong or I'm chasing a good survivor for a reason. Usually not worth my time though.
I don't see survivors run a lot of flashlights, even in SWF. Mostly medkits and toolboxes
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Most of the times survivors appreciate not camping? You mean you don't get flashlight clicked, if you are having a bad game they slow down on gens, they don't tea bag you, etc.?
Just so you know; you don't have to stand still to camp, you can do so while guarding a larger area.
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Haha yes.
All this and a bag of chips.
If you go easy, you get stomped - then teabagged and flick macro'd all the way to the exit gates, and mocked in postgame.
However, if you start as sweaty as you can, get some hooks and a kill ASAP, then ease up - survivors will often be grateful. And if they BM - just kill 'em.
The only possible exception is facecamping, which is a silly move as it sucks your BP dry and often backfires, while also being miserable to play against.
Unless you are Bubba. Bubba needs a tent cosmetic, to go with Insidious Camping Bubba.
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Omg, how hard is it that you don't have to take my examples as gospel. You play your own games and are you going to tell me that survivors are going out of their way to ensure you have fun? Because lets face it that is what survivors are telling killers to do, because they don't like how they play. This is not a hard concept to grasp.
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For all killers who pretend that camping and tunneling are necessary, I issue a challenge: touch grass.
Seriously, I'm a killer main, and that juvenile ######### is just as toxic for you as it is for survivors. It locks you into patterns and mindsets which run counter to the basics of actual enjoyment.
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Yet the question stands, are survivors trying to make sure you have a fun game as a killer main?
Let me guess btw. you have thousands of hours and out class your opponents by large. It is great that you are a god killer main that can go out there and never slug, never camp, never tunnel, never hook a survivor twice in a row ... but for the average Joe I can most definitely tell you that going out of your way to avoid these type of actions will simply lose you the game.
*Btw. I don't buy it for a second, even Otz, OhTofu and other that make a point of trying to avoid these tactics... still apply them.
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IDGAF if survivors are trying to "make me have fun", and pretending that's a solid argumentation point from either side is just lazy.
Yes, I have thousands of hours. Yes, I semi-frequently outclass a lot of opponents - I get outclassed too, it goes both ways considering that DBD's matchmaking has never been good in any of its variations. Not god-tier, I do slug (though ideally not for a kill), and I'll proxy or hit someone after an unsafe unhook - my primary slug source - and I'll hook people twice in a row if I don't see other options present themselves.
I get it. I really do.
But none of it is necessary. None of the frustration is necessary, and most of all: it's not the survivor's fault. Not saying some aren't culpable, some of them are genuinely terrible, and wish to make you have the worst possible time; what I'm saying is you have the option of participating and perpetuating, and it's entirely on you whether you do so. If I'm genuinely not having fun, I start checking which ledges let a lunge get me to the top of a rock or pallet. I start reading the frankly annoyingly detailed signs and newspapers BHVR put in the game. I'll even just go chill in the basement - you know the sounds and music shift down there? It's genuinely relaxing.
A facecamp isn't necessary, because even a 1k isn't necessary. It's neat, but if you didn't work for it, you didn't earn it - and no, one frustrating chase and then sitting in place isn't work. It might let off some petty steam, but if that's all you learn how to do: it's all you'll ever be able to do.
*BTW: Otz, OhTofu, the rest: screw'em. Content creators are idealogues and sensationalists. They're a good start to a dialogue, but not a good place to draw conclusions from.
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It is definitely not the survivor's job to help the killer complete their objective. The killer and survivor objectives only collide when it comes to finishing generators. After that, it's up to the killer and the survivors both to complete their own objectives.
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He's full of it. Play how you want.
You're asking. I'm answering. You do come off as confused and convoluted though.
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Its not killers job to make the game fun for you. Survivors do nothing to make it fun for us. If anything they just make sure to ruin our day with toxicity and insults after the match so im done being nice.
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OK. Lets put this camping thing to bed.
Firstly there are different types of camping and some people get confused, so lets clear this up. Hooking somebody and standing or moving directly around the hook, or guarding the basement and the entrance to basement is face-camping. Your main task it to stop anybody going near the hook and heaven help anybody that dare. You do not give chase, you just don't want them close, your goal is to hold fire until the time runs out and you get your kill. Proxy camping is a wider area, where you are actively looking for somebody else who may be close, if they come in two or more, there is a chance that somebody will rescue, you are willing to go on the chase or back to the hook if they are there. There is a big difference, most survivors enjoy and respect the second, they hate the first. Then there is no camping, where you hook, then run to your next victim or gen, survivors love this and is probably the one that will be most enjoyable.
Secondly, as anybody plays survivor knows, there are three, possibly four actions you can do as a survivor apart from the ones you need for your task. You can point, ask to follow, teabag or if they have a flash light, click. Survivor use these to signal each other. Many times I have used a flashlight to call somebody to heal or do gen. I teabag when I need healing or have been healed, just because the survivors wait at the gate to signal to you, you don't have to get defensive and think it is bad, they could just be signalling a good game, or thanks. Many survivors will allow you to get the one last hit and let them crawl out. If you ace camped then it could be something different. If you play in the EU, end chat can be useless due to different languages, signals in game are quicker and easier.
Now the title of this thread was a killer challenging survivors to play killer, I wonder how many killers have played survivor and have spent that game getting tunnelled and camped. Maybe the game should make you play both sides. I have heard survivors moan about being tunnelled or killers being OP and killers moaning about being looped and survivors being OP.
And please remember that it is just a game. In the words of Mr Miyagi in Karate Kid, "Win lose, no matter"
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idk its just part of the package deal, i play both sides as well and i do lots of "toxic" things as survivor, but i dont get butthurt when playing as killer when its done to me. cause i know if i was survivor id be flashlighting and teabagging (sometimes) and looping and head on stunning and breakout-ing and sabotaging, cause i know to expect it when i play killer, its a full circle baby, just play the game
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I play both sides and i dont get salty over facecamping. I find it cute. If they want the kill let them have it. Like you said its just a game no need to take it so seriously.
This being said i never facecamp UNLESS doors are open or activated and i want that person dead i have on hook. I always thought id be killer who never tunnels and plays nice but recent i have to say i've had to become meaner. I simply dont have time to be nice all the time. So before survivors cry about tunneling try to think about it from the killers point of view. If they tunnel people down at 3-2 gens left thats completely understandable. They are doing it because they dont have time to play by your rule book anymore.
Facecampers can be also newer killers. instead of raging at them just say gg. Also let people play how they want to play. If they find facecamping fun (which i dont since i do enjoy the chase) let them have their fun.
Europe chat... well when i go against some people from certain areas of the europe i already expect to see EZ, noob, please uninstall the game. Maybe due to having poor english skills who knows, but i'd say most people even in europe are cool and just type GG or just leave without saying anything.
My motto is if you have nothing good to say dont say anything. Dont spread the toxicity.
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I only really have an issue with face camping the first survivor you down and trying to force them to die on hook.
Sorry but if you do that you're rude and lazy. I play both sides, as Killer I use perks that reward me for hooking different survivors and encourage me to leave the hook and I do just fine managing everything, patrolling gens and spreading out the pressure amongst everyone.
Tunneling and slugging are fine since they are high risk high reward but someone who face camps and runs NOED to secure an easy down in the end game gets no respect from me.
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Honestly, I've never seen a killer do this outside of someone teabagging/flicking him.
What often happens to me as killer though is that I'll see a survivor near the hook and chase them, down someone after they tried to bodyblock, patrol back past the hook as I patrol gens or catch someone running to the hook as I leave - and get called a camper.
The only times I'll straight up camp is when someone is using a flick macro or teabags me, and generally it'll still be a proxy camp.
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