Artist not viable against swf.
Yet again, another killer fallen to the weak side playing against anyone other than newbs...
Another reason these swf groups are killing this game. As if we needed one.
I just played my first killer match of the day, and it was so bad I already want to quit for the day.
Trying to learn the artist. So I'm learning. First match it was two 2man swf groups. The pc players were disgusting. Both ran break put. Kept luring me to each other hiding in lockers, teabagging and clicking insta blinds when I got stunned .
I couldn't even facecamp the one who kept BM all game bc as soon as I get her on the hook, all three survivors bombarded the hook, all 3 had borrowed time, one unhooked, the other two wedged between us so I couldn't physically hit her again. Making her invincible.
I finally killed one at the end of the match while all three were chasing me around trying to bodyblock. I got the well deserved kill and here comes the salt in the end game chat.
"You suck bruh" "camper bruh" "trash bruh" "tunnel bruh" "go play a different killer bruh"
I was dude... this is my third time playing her?! Like... I'm learning how she works.
This guy calls me trash yet not only had all his second chance perks, but literally all three of his friends, and their teamwork and their second chance perks at his aid and this guy actually believes he is a God! And outperformed me!
Like no dude... you didn't...
Are the survivors ever going to learn that when you rely on your 4 BS second chase meta perks, ontop of all your friends BS helping perks and ganging up on the killer to help you ISNT GOD TIER PLAYS?!
It's basically cheating. I mean it's allowed yeah, but it's like 5 guys beating up 1 guy together and saying they can't fight.
Anyway. Artist isn't good at all against high MMR. I couldn't even use the power. She slows down to much while setting up birds, and literally they simply left the loop and ran off to 1 of a million other loops and pallets available.
So within 2 days, they already learned to simply run away to a different loop each time and her power is useless, and then simply 1 click of the flashlight stops the bird bc her other swf pal was using her flashlight like a light saber.
So yet again swf groups killing the fun out of a game by being gross, ganging up with nasty coordinated stun plays like break out, and making a complete fool of the artist.
Good job devs.
Please CAP SWF GROUPS OR GIVE KILLERS BOOSTS AGAINST TEAMS!
Ugh... it was literally my first match. Already like... why do I do this to myself? This isn't fun. :(
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You said you were learning her. Of course you’re not going to win against a high level squad in that case
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I think I played against the same SWF you did. 12y old kids I'm sure. 0 self-awareness :) It is the same people that will say that it is skill to use the E-button or a stun perk, it is hilarious. The fact is, if a team wants to be toxic bullies, they can be, with ease as the game completely caters towards it.
Killers indeed need some kind of compensation, cause I don't see why I should stop dodging lobbies right now.
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Not the point. Its being punished and treated like a fool, and being name called and ganged up on and treated like that by survivor teams... thats the point.
it's not winning. Or losing. It's being tortured for trying a new killer. God forbid I pick up a new killer....
This... this is why all killers sweat, tunnel, camp, and run gross perks.
We're scared to death not to bc we get spit on by swf groups and ridiculed in the chat.
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Why is he going against a high level squad with a brand new killer he has 3 matches on?
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It is SO easy to dodge artist though, this is not a matter of learning. You get slowed down massively every time you want to place a crow. Survivors who are not braindead just move to the next loop and repeat the process. Holding W is the counter. Her crows are good for info, but other than that, they are very unreliable and only slow you down from their W.
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My guess is bc of where I live? It's like 5am in the morning here. I woke up, made a cup of coffee, and hopped on for my daily dose of abuse before I start my day XD 😆
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Because MMR does not work? It never has. I'm getting SWF after SWF on artist and I only played like 5-10 matches on her. Instant Queues too, so it is not like 'it couldn't find me a squad withing my MMR range'. And most those matches I get 0-2K max. So my MMR is not going up either.
PS: I know it is sad that I have to mention this, but every single time I get the argument "not everyone is a SWF". Yes they are, most of them are. I am checking profiles, I am not stupid ;)
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Not to spread hate.... I just needed to vent. That was really bad... like really bad...
And I just wanna play the game man. Learn a cool killer. The abuse I got was insane.
This game has a massive massive problem with bullies. It's unlike anything I've ever seen in a game.
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So you played this killer maybe 1-3 times and already decide shes not "viable" and decided to make a forum post and whine about how you feel by losing a video game ... lol?
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Tried her on release date. Brutally crushed, total gen rush and flashlight clicking. Still didn't understand how to use her power. Need more practice and muscle memory.
Even didn't understood why survivors was so greedy. Clearly gens done, no hooks, no one in danger, yet they just rush, abuse and flee.
About SWF.
Maybe we need "The weak link update" limiting SWF to 2-3 players, so there is always one random dude?
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No. Complain about how I was treated for losing. Bc the game is broken..
Thanks.
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Limiting the number per group would be kinda silly. My suggestion would be the one from the joke 7.0 patch. As in per member in the same group gen repairs will go xx% slower. So if duo maybe 10%, trio 15% and quad 20%.
OR... At least compensate the killer for playing a match against bullies. xx% BP bonus against SWF. That would maybe somewhat make it worth it. Not for me personally though. But it might pull others over the line to stop dodging lobbies :)
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Idk why you guys still let the endgame chat active.
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This. Why is there even a chat?! Honestly, as a dev, that would be my first hot fix to the abuse killers are getting. Remove the chat. There is no need for it whatsoever.
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Because the MMR system doesn’t work?
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My very first game with the artist i went against a death squad. I'm thinking the MMR doesnt work like its supposed to.
Not many killers can handle SWF anyways so we might as well accept the fact they are unbeatable force and usually quite toxic too.
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My comment was directioned towards you though. There's no need for devs to remove it because you can just turn it off for yourself.
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I thought we knew that the second it was revealed she was anti-loop no mobility.
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I did not know this 😳
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Maybe, just MAYBE, learn to play killer before going on a cry rampage on the forums? the artist is a high tier killer.
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no its because if you're playing at 5AM then you're probably only going to play against other sweats
Doesn't matter if the MMR is the best system in the world, it's can't match you well if you play at hours where there's very few players at your current MMR level for the Killer.
TBH at 5AM what kind of players do you expect to be coming across?
It's always a risk to start your day with video games, especially one that can get as toxic as DBD. That is just asking for a bad day.
You could try and practice during midday hours, don't really see as many SWFs then.
Although tbh, playing against Solos and SWF is night and day, you might as well practice against good teams early to get an idea of how good the Killer actually is. But might be good to at least play a few games against Solos first to get the mechanics of the power down (and then later you can unlearn everything you learnt against potatos, as you realise 80% of it will be countered by good survivors)
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Seriously? Just click the chat icon on the bottom right of it, it will never show up again unless you click it again.
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"Artist not viable against SWF"
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"Trying to learn the artist. So I'm learning."
Jesus. I know the game has issues but this ain't it chief.
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True just like every killer since Blight. Issue is the crows seem useless outside of tracking which gen someone is one. They are right she slows down to much when placing them and they leave anyhow. On top of that they made it to where it does not do damage unless hit while flocked (lol what I like to call it) which is not easy to pull off simply because they can repel in a few seconds running mid chase.
Now I have only got to play a few games with her, can't seem to go against anyone other than Ghostface so have not gone against, and have yet to play the new map since released.
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What does that even mean Myla? Chief. Boss. Padre.
You play a new killer and get bullied all match then. I'd rather learn her and not get multiple coordinated break out stunned, chain blinded with insta blind flashlights, and teabagged all match trying. Just play the game, and leave. The taunting and riding out the end game timer to the very last second to teabag isn't necessary.
Is that okay? Just checking with you chief.
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I don't know why playing a new killer suddenly means my fundamentals as a Killer main is suddenly beginner level but okay lmao.
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You're bothering me Myla. Basic fundamental understanding still won't save you from getting bullied Myla.
Bad Myla.
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Because they need to protect their new investments and shield them from decent killers. New killers are based off your highest mmr killer.
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The bullying won't be that severe though or you might as well have won that game if they're messing around in that match.
Again I know the game has problems and it's a convenient excuse to use but this sounds like a You issue. Record a match here and let the forum here watch it. If the match was truly unsalvageable despite playing well then I'll apologize.
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I'm not doing that. Anyone who plays killer understands your not supposed to win against a 4man swf. You can't unless you play nurse, blight, or they make a mistake.
I was playing the new killer who gets wrecked against teams let alone anyone who knows how to leave a loop the second a bird deploys.
I'm not a bad killer. I'm not the best. But I'm not bad. You will lose every time you go against a 4man meta running free heal for all boons, purple add ons and friend coordination.
That's supposed to happen. That's how it's designed. Any long time playing youtuber says the same thing. Look at trutalent. Hands down one of the best level headed calm killers out there. He gets wrecked against 4mans most of the time. He gets 1k maybe 2k if he sweats hard on those.
He laughs at it. Bc it's silly. The survivors are so strong these days they can bully. Bc they know they can. And they do.
Killer is weak. Nobody is afraid of them anymore.
Facts.
So when you pick up a new killer, it just makes it that much more miserable learning bc they bully even harder bc they smell you're new with it.
That's why I'm always hesitant to pick up anything new in this game. You get bullied for it.
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"So when you pick up a new killer, it just makes it that much more miserable learning bc they bully even harder bc they smell you're new with it."
Yep you are probably correct that now is a good time for bully squads as they know they'll be facing players unfamiliar with the new Killer.
And then you have to deal with people who aren't toxic, just good at survivor, as its probably easier to play against Artist, than play her, when you are inexperienced, as in the former its still the same controls for Survivor, you just have to loop a bit differently.
But there are still probably more players who just want to go against the new Killer, so bully squads should be the minority.
Again, I would avoid playing at 5AM, as you are more likely to play against sweats at unsociable hours.
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You do. I love her. But I have to admit. She's rough to play. The slow down is indeed massive. They see the bird right? That's a flaw I think. Bc you pre-place your birds at a loop, and they simply move away from it to another.
The only times I've been able to successfully land a down from it is when I get them outpositioned and they have nowhere else to go, and that is situational at best.
Also, the screams she makes while shooting her birds for tracking reasons, do the survivors hear that? If so, all they have to do is simply back away from the gen for 5 seconds, and continue repairing me thinks.
I like her tho. I'm going to keep trying. See if I can find a good build.
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I mean you are playing her for the third time, in this case its simply a new killer vs survivors with perks
You aren't gonna remotely win these most of the times
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Yeah. Oh I have no problems losing. Nor do I have any issues with survivors that are just good with their Meta perks and know how to loop. I get frustrated yes... but not at them. More so the overall mechanics of the game in those situations.
However, I do get mad at bully squads. I do take that a bit personally when I'm attacked in the chats, and abused in the game bc they can. Ganged up on and stacked stun perks is dirty, and always unfun and anger inducing, especially when you just wanna have a chill time and play around some at loops trying to get her power down but can't bc bully reasons.
5am bad time? Maybe. But I'll still do it bc I'm glutton for punishment, also bc my schedule doesn't permit me to play midday as often bc I'm a busy dude. I play when I can. Unfortunately sometimes it's the we hours of the morning or late at night.
The artist is cool tho. Don't be mean to her in the game lol. Let her do her thing. Just do gens, get some stuns and stuff and leave. Ya know?
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Originally I would've agreed, but as I've gotten to learn how to play her, I disagree. I've already had a few bully squads that I've faced and have 4K'd against them. The game seems like a loss at first because of how fast they do gens, but late game if you have them stuck in a 3 gen the Artist can apply massive amounts of pressure on them. I pretty much just let them repair the first 3 gens while I basically set them up for a 3 gen late game and I almost always win because of the pressure I put on them. I don't bother chasing survivors who run to the opposite side of the map since there's no gens over there so eventually they'll have to sacrifice themselves just to get gens done.
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Just everything what is wrong with this Forum:
Killer player plays ONE (in numbers: 1) game with a Killer they are learning, loses this game and rushes to the Forums to complain.
But said Killer player does not arrive at the Forums when they stomp a few Survivors, because this is how it should be. But losing is a nono.
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I definitely see the 3 gen pressure advantage with her for sure. If you can get that, then yeah definitely.
Reminds me of doctor in a way. Kinda weak, but if you get a three gen with him and your running pop or even overcharge it can be deadly amounts of pressure.
I also like how once the exit gates are powered you can shoot a bird at the exit gate and tag someone trying to open the gate which pushes them off or at least let's you see and Hone in from a distance.
I've gotten several end game kills from that alone. Severe salt too
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What about someone who played a lot of PTB, will you listen to those? Or will your argument still stand then? :) Cause I am saying the exact same thing. She is a lot like clown in regards of countering her. Pre-drop pallets where needed and just hold W.
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She ain't viable at all
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Yes, you're not doing that because it's easy to blame a known issue in the game despite having red flags in your entire post that shows how you're lacking in fundamentals. It's not a new killer problem. If you're getting head on several times in a match sorry but you fell for obvious baits.
4 Man?
I thought you were against a 2 man separate groups? Also what meta perks? I thought you were against break out which isn't meta and apparently Head on since you keep mentioning lockers. Looking at your post how did they go from two guys running break out/head on supposedly into all of them running 4 man meta perks? I like how you conveniently added the fact they were using strong equipment/add ons or boons just now when you didn't mention that on your initial post. Sound odd but whatever, Be sure to add every context next time.
I just don't buy your post all it's riddles of red flag of someone inexperienced with the game just putting blame on a convenient excuse the community like to use. Like I said. The game has problems but it's also important to know that maybe you played bad? Of course it's easier to put the entire blame on something everyone agrees to right?
Either put a video and let us critique what's the problem or don't because game is unbalanced definitely not because I played bad and kept getting chain blinded lol.
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I think it wasn't his defeat that motivated him to write this.
It was the unnecessary toxicity which, lets be honest, mostly comes from the Survivor sided.
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Well no. You missed the point. The overall message was mostly in regards to swf bully squads behaviors. Especially towards a new killer. Not about winning or losing in general.
If you read Through this you would see that most killers don't care about winning or losing as a whole. We all just feel the massive power imbalance during the match against swfs and it makes for a stressful unfun game.
As killer you shouldn't feel so powerless and helpless like you do. But unfortunately after boons, it really shifted the role harder seeing hit and run and alot of injured killer builds are now no longer viable.
Poor thanataphobia :(
Poor hag. :(
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I think near the end of the post it was more about SWF and toxic chat...more so than the killers fault
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Don't know what to say. You say you don't like bully squads, but also say you are a glutton for punishment, so I can't see any solutions.
Also it's safe to assume most people who visit these forums are not bully squad players so this post is falling on deaf ears. It's already a given here that bully squads are bad.
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Basically. But unlike doctor, she can actually injure people with her power, so that alone causes survivors to get scared when they get hit on gens which adds even more pressure. But yeah, that's my advice, look for the easiest 3 gen to defend a put a lot of pressure on those gens to force them into a 3 gen and then just apply as much pressure as possible to prevent them from working on it. I've found that PGTW, Tinkerer, Discordance and her Scourge Hook perk is probably the best anti-gen/gen pressure build to use on her.
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I'd love to see you never get baited into a break out stun.
2 2man groups. That's enough. That's just as bad as a 4man. More than enough coordination needed. You can go through what I say with a fine tooth comb all you want and point out miswording if I had said 4man or 2man is irrelevant.
You must just be a God killer then. Never get baited into stun plays from teams. Well good for you. The majority of us killers don't have the luxury of knowing all the time which locker the swf friend hides In during a chase.
Lol.
I never once stated I was the best killer. I'm not bad... but I make mistakes like everyone else. Especially against teams of sweat bully groups. It's difficult going against squads. They always outperform you so long pallets are around to do so.
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Yes. thank you. :)
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Killer players can and often are just as toxic. It's the game's community in general. It's like the majority of players were born in radioactive waste.
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Np, mate!
Glad I understood it correctly.
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It's not irrelevant because you're playing with two separate groups that has no information with each other but you keep implying they're all friends which they aren't but you don't like that being called out because it paints your narrative easier right?
Nope not a God but I do acknowledge my faults if I got baited into a stun play. You can actually it's called learning locker placement. Survivor pathing is weird you can guess where the head on is coming from.
Oh so you make mistakes but apparently can't admit that maybe you played that match bad? It's TWO MAN SF group's fault lmao.
Not a squad if it's two man friends by the way.
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