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Toxicity and sadism in end-game chat is not something anyone has to put up with
hey,
The Internet is a meeting place for people from all walks of life and all age groups. After a busy day, there are many who just want to sit down and play a game.
It's only human that sometimes people take their pent-up anger or frustration from work home with them. Unfortunately, it sometimes happens that this frustration transfers to the game and you give it free rein.
The so-called "identity-based hate" is particularly depressing. This is no longer about insulting a person because of a supposed "bad style of play" or "lack of skills," but it becomes personal.
That's why I'm glad that the developers of DBD are cracking down on this and punishing people when they get personal. There are also many sadists who enjoy hurting another person, even if it's just a stupid comment. That's when you play fair as a killer and still get a stupid comment at the end of a match. I'll show you a screen from one of my matches I recently played against a 4-player SWF.
I played fair....neither tunneled, nor camped....and instead of a simple "gg" .... there comes another stupid comment like that. Honestly, no one needs such a sadist and you don't have to put up with something like that. If you ask me, these people only feel good when others feel bad.
"Don't feed the trolls" is a saying I'm sure many of us have heard before. If it were up to me, end-game chat should be removed from the game altogether. That will cause less tickets. My tip: just turn it off and don't pay attention to people like that.
Has anyone else had sadistic experiences? Let's talk about it if you want
greetings
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Two games which I will always remember for the endgame chat.
First one was a Felix mad he'd died because he didn't follow the person away from the Huntress and instead ran into her. He then went on to blame my boyfriend, who'd killed himself on hook earlier because her ping was... Now I won't say she was playing from Mars but if it was under 400 I'd be shocked. He's very, very mad and brings out the good ol "Nazi cuntbag" (wasn't blurred by the filter, btw). Bf has moved on so it's just me trying to patiently explain that it's a literal video game but no, bf is German and therefore he's a Nazi. Obviously.
Second game, different Huntress, really didn't like me. No tbagging but I did get a couple flashlight saves and along with my bf we basically carried the game (I got chased, he did gens, honestly dream team right there). Now she got... Mildly annoyed in the endgame chat and acted like any reasonable person would. Instead of voicing their grievances, we got plenty of hashtags followed by "SUICIDE! NOW".
It was kinda funny looking back.
Also!! Actually just remembered a third but can't be asked to edit my above comment as I'm writing it. This one kid got very annoyed because I dared... Play Claudette. Mhm. Okay. Facecamping tunneling nodding etc, the usual toxic racist behaviour, but because my friends are gods and none of us care about escaping, they tagteam up and save me off the hook and out the gate. Now, once more acting like a reasonable person, this killer then goes through my previous Steam aliases to find my Twitch account, watches part of a VOD, only to then start insulting my appearance pretty... Horribly, actually.
So yeah this is why the endgame chat shouldn't be a thing
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Lol that guy in the third story was commited.
It's usual fan behaviour tho
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Just delete the ######### endgame chat already
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The survivor main spells grandpa like grampa, do not take them seriously, bro. They wouldn't even qualify as clowns...
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I am all for removing the end game chat entirely. BHVR doesn't seem to like the idea of removing it.
Why not at least just remove end game chat for Killer. Then Survivors can have their piss party, and Killer has no way of being impacted by that.
Another good idea is making the end game chat something you can't open in the end game lobby, but rather you have to turn on as a setting before the game starts. Then even if the game doesn't go well you don't have a button taunting you like "I got to know what they are saying" or "That went well I am sure they said GG", just to open the chat to be swarmed by bigotry, and harassment.
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A-men!
Now, I mostly play Killer, so most my stories will be of toxic Survivors, but that's just my common PoV; not an Us vs Them thing:
I had one game where I was playing Trapper, and people were just falling into my traps. I have no clue how these people were this unobservant. I had trap that each person stepped in once. I never moved it; they just kept stepping in it. No one could learn, and they had the object permanence of a 3 month old. I got a 4K, no surprise.
So, of course, endgame chat was filled with 'Uninstall', 'Scrub Trapper'. and '######### for picking Trapper'.
Or the time I played as Hag, and would put my Hag traps in chokepoints. Never next to the hook. You never had to crouch WHILE unhooking someone. You just had to be alert going in for the save.
Again; these people never learned that my traps were in obvious chokepoints and funnels. So I have 3 kills, going for 4th. Hit him while he vaults, and before he even hits thr ground after the vault animation; he DCs. He must have had one hand on the modem to DC in less than a second from the hit.
Of course, even though he 'DC'd; he was in endgame chat. Showing he probably had a setup to do this, and did it frequently. His first comment 'Campers don't deserve a 4K'. I streamed, back then, and my chat (It was a whopping 15 people, most just watching for fun, not already-set fans) was nearly peeing themselves laughing at this Survivors excuse. Not a single viewer agreed with his take.
One of the few times I played Survivor, I had this happen. It was back when I was VERY new to streaming. I had maybe 5-ish viewers.
My screen name did not have 'TTV' in it, as I consider that a form of e-begging for views, and in bad taste if done on someone else's stream. So no one had any way to know I streamed.
It's a Billy. This was back in the first year, maybe second, of DBD. Down to me and another streamer. I can recall DBD being new, because I was explaining to my viewers 'I COULD go in and try to save him, but the Billy is camping, and I'm wounded; he could just M1 me before I can save the other guy. I'm looking for an opening, but...'
While I'm in the middle of saying this, my chat gets FLOODED with 'Lil #########' from about 30 people. Apparently the other player looked at my screen name, googled it to see if I was a streamer (because nothing in my profile mentioned streaming), and told his viewer-base to attack me, on stream, for not trading.
His words, as best I can remember them 'I have more viewers, so I'm the better streamer and deserve to get away'.
The real kicker? I got away and, in the chat, the Billy told the streamer 'I stream sniped you after you lead me to another player on purpose, and after how you treated the Dwight (me): I let him get away & camped you because f- you, toxic a-hole.'
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I'm sorry for your experiences but I really am against removing end game chat completely. If it causes you grief, it can be disabled. You don't have to see it. Many other people like chatting with others in end game chat even if it is to say gg. Sometimes I'll have a nice chat with players.
Of course there are people out there that will type some outrageous stuff. Make sure to report them for it. I reported someone (that happend to have 3K hours) a week ago that essentially told everyone to off themselves. They were permanently banned within a few days. Edit: This is not to downplay your experiences by the way. But my point is that players can be penalized for saying anything very inappropriate when reported for it which is really good.
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Just give the killer a notification when they get a thumbs up and delete endgame chat for killers.
Makes that option actually do something, and probably half of the toxicity in the game gets much less impactful.
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I got they classical: I hope you die, suicide, #########, im glad we ruined your match...
Yeah very healthy...
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A while back, BHVR came out and basically said that anything short of hatespeech or death threats in postgame chat was perfectly acceptable, and that they consider 'smack talk' an essential part of online gaming.
I really disagree with them on this (and think that it's going to come back and bite them) but it is what it is.
Usually I'll just keep postgame chat off unless I want to say something after a really fun game, or unless I won (I don't mind sore losers, but gloaters get under my skin).
I've had some absolutely ridiculous ones. Stuff like 'GG EZ get cancer', 'lol bad noob uninstall games full' and the like. This game really does bring out the worst in people.
Then again, you do get the funny ones.
'OMG scrub just play normally'
Me: 'Play normally?'
'Use a real killer'.
(I ran my gimmicky 'blinder' Demogorgon build. I've actually had this one multiple times. I guess people just want everyone to play Blight, Huntress and Nurse with Ruin and Pop)
'Stupid camper'.
Me: 'What? When did I camp?'
'I was in locker and you just stood there, ur camper'.
(Killer exists = camping)
'JAJAJAJAJA'
'get trolled scrub'
Me: 'You died at 5 gens mate'
'Oh sorry'
'Thought you were someone else'
(wat)
'So much tunnel, get ebola die baddie'
Me: 'You seem like a nice person'
'Just let people heal next time'
(They kept trying to heal under the hook, I'd immediately use a nearby portal and shred them)
'So much tryhard'.
Me: 'Huh?'
'Pinhead such a crutch killer l2p'.
(This was post nerf Pinhead by the way)
'Report killer for hacking'.
Me: 'How was I hacking?'.
'You know what you doing'
Me: 'Nope, no idea'.
'Demo was removed, you can't play him anymore hacker everyone report hacker plz'.
(This one was a head scratcher)
'Hacker reported'
Me: 'What?'
'So sad you have to use wallhacks to win'
Me: 'Check my addons'. (I was using Plague's iri that shows you the aura of puking people, and nobody wanted to cleanse).
'Get banned cheater'.
(When you never play killer and have no idea how they work)
And my all time favorite:
'BG cheater'
Me: 'How was I cheating?'
'Popping gens hack'
Me: 'Zuh?'
'You weren't kicking them but they explode'
Me: 'Surge and PR'
'What'
Me: 'Two killer perks that can hit gens when I hook or down someone'.
'So unfair should be bannable imho'.
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First of all, thank you @GoodBoyKaru and all the other´s here for your comments and oppinions. Yes, I admit it: if there is something that really hurts me, it is sadism. In principle, it doesn't matter how you act as a killer. If you play fair, you either get a stupid commend or if you don't play fair, you get negative things too. Somehow it doesn't matter how you do it. It's always wrong... I don't know if others feel the same way or if I'm the only one here. But what I notice is that the positive aspect in the game is getting less and less. In over 6800 hours (by my self) there was only 3x someone who wrote. "Man, that was a great game and I really enjoyed playing against you". But I would also be interested to know if our moderators and Devs here @MandyTalk, @Rizzo90, @Gcarrara , @Peanits, @EQWashu and so on, also had to make such experiences.... and if so how do you deal with it ?
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I mean, I wholly agree with what you're saying, and believe it shouldn't be a thing anyone has to put up with, but the DBD devs don't do anything about it. The trash talk in your OP is something they consider a normal part of the online gaming experience and make no action to discourage. They'll only step in if it involves slurs or being told you should die. Creative ways to tell you you suck are fair play in their eyes.
People are nasty to me in endgame chat fairly often - I compulsively play fair, and I'm merciful when I win, so I often have friendly chats in those games. But when I lose, it's common for survivors to mock me for how I played, tell me to uninstall, I'm pathetic, git gud, can't believe you have 2000 hours and you play like #########, the works.
I've also had other survivors attack me for perceived failures when I play survivor - one standout memory was a Dwight that tried to get me killed all game and reamed me out in endgame chat for using two pallets in a 70-second chase, one of which was shack pallet. Apparently that's a cardinal sin and shack pallet must never be used, even when you, you know, loop shack for a while.
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Some very simple solutions:
Play on console = no chat
Play on PC = close the chat
You should be 18+ to play this game - just ignore it - at my age it annoys me a bit, but thats it.
(and if you can´t ignore strangers on the internet talking ######### - you really should learn to do that)
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I like this idea, though I would let everyone see if they get a thumbs up from the other side. I think it would be nice if thumbs up did something. It would also be good for situations where maybe two of the survivors are rude to you during the match, but two of them are fine -- you can send the good ones a compliment without having to interact with the other two at all.
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I partially agree, but also when you get told that your boyfriend deserved to get cancer and was probably happy about it so he had an excuse to escape you it stings, no matter what. "Sticks and stones" and all that is bullshit because the things you say and do can and will have an impact on people; you don't know what someone has been through in a day and you could say the wrong thing to make them worse.
Don't pin the blame on the people being insulted, especially for no reason, and especially when the insults are particularly heinous. Blame it on the supposedly 18+ people that can't handle the fact they lost a video game and the only way they can get satisfaction is through bringing others down.
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You are right. Sadly the internet is full of idiots.
I have to add the fact that at 18+ you should be able to take a loss in a game. In a video game and any other game.
And i come back to solution for that - if you don´t like to read stupid sh.t, which you know comes sooner or later - close the damn chat.
I play on PC and PS4 - everytime on PS4 i think, i want to see what they are writing. But no - on PS4 is no chat - and thats probably way better.
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This. Get rid of chat and put the resources towards more important things. Chat is not necessary at all to the game. Have people use/see "thumbs up" if they want to give/receive "gg"
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Had one Wraith absolutely lose it in end-game, being upset beyond belief because our swiffer brought in keys and a map. That's why he facecamped, and hit on hook, nodding and everything. He raged in post-game chat for our audacity.
Except I was playing solo as dumpster-diver David (Ace-in-the-hole, Plunderer's Instinct, Streetwise, Built-To-Last, since replaced with Appraisal) and I'd pulled a map out of the first chest and a broken key out of the second.
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There is already a little arrow to close the chat in the game. But people are so curious that it is a hard thing to do.
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It's still an unnecessary mechanic that eats up resources that can be better spent on aspects of the game that could use those resources. It takes up part of the budget that goes to a 3rd party that develops the program for censoring, time on upkeep devs could better use to work on more important issues in the game, and reports that clog up support getting to actual issues like cheating, hacking, technical issues, etc.
If you want to message strangers do it through your platform - if they have their profile set to not receive messages or are on a different platform oh well, just move on to the next game.
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Offense is only ever taken, never given. Sure I blame the toxic degenerate, but man, people are messed up and you can condition yourself to ignore their nonsense. It is genuinely possible and I highly recommend that approach. Why waste your time being offended by it, seriously, why? There is no compelling reason to take offense to their insults.
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'Offense is only ever taken, never given'
This is such an ignorant comment.
I'm pretty sure it's not MY fault I turned suicidal after 6 years of being verbally abused by the person who wanted to help me sort my life, then got it in his head I was faking my autism, and told me I was a liar and a leech and should kill myself, because I was stealing form his social security retirement, on a daily basis.
But your viewpoint says that yes; it's my fault I let him affect my mental state.
Offense can be given. If I got offended the day someone screamed I should 'go back to Ireland' (I'm of Scottish descent, but was born in the US); it's 100% the racists fault for screaming it. Not mine for being offended.
Your view, that comment, absolves the toxic person, the racist, and the sexist, of their actions and words by blaming their target for reacting to those words.
I'm sorry, but after the hell I've been through, to see someone so much as HINT that it's my fault I have PTSD over 6 years of hell, is disgusting to the extreme.
How ignorant.
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no way i love endgame chat and if you dont personally like it there is an option to turn it off
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Because some people are affected by things differently than you are. Everyone is shaped through their past experiences.
It's entirely the fault of the toxic ######### that can't handle losing a video game and resort to dropping slurs. It's not the fault of the person being called a slur who doesn't want to be called a ######### slur.
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We may disagree on game balance quite heavily but yes, this. This absolutely 100% all the way.
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I also agree with this 100%
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On Xbox, whenever a message is sent that contains abuse it normally comes with a "potentially harmful" message I need to click to read. Maybe, if the message is opened and turns out it is (and it always has been) there should be an option to agree that the message was potentially harmful, and it be sent straight against the persons profile. Obviously, I understand that's an Xbox messaging system, but if an option which sends a response with player ID to BHVR was possible that may provide a quicker punishment.
Messages which are abusive ought to always be reported without fail. Best thing to do is report and block. I admit I answer back, but with humour and in unexpected ways. Last one was a sailor Steve player who was peeved I beat him as a 1 perk (tier 1 Stridor) nurse. It wasn't a bad message (typical: "hahahahaha n00b killer" boring thing) and I replied: "Alright, you try playing a game whilst being suffocated by sheeting, Popeye!". Seemed to actually cheer him up and he actually apologised!
Problem is that far more insults actually can cut deep and are unacceptable. My advice is to mainly block and report, but also at the end of games make a point to only message with complimentary comments. I get many nice messages back and by doing that it may well take the edge off times when some prick tries to slur you. Certainly shows there are nicer people out there and always good to surround yourself in the knowledge there are a lot of good guys out there.
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I agree with your statements completely but I'm a bit confused. My apologies if I misremembered but weren't you defending tbagging and BMing in game before? I completely agree that people are affected by things differently, everyone is shaped by their past experiences and it's the fault of the toxic person, not the other party, so, if I'm not confusing your remarks with someone else, I hope you also see why I would find these statements to be contradictory with defending tbagging and BMing.
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What I have said before, previously, is that if you are being that aggrevated by BM through in-game actions (clicking, tbagging, kebabing, nodding, etc) that you suffer physical pain and break things then you most likely have an underlying issue that you should at least consider looking into. I speak from personal experience there- getting annoyed enough at a video game to break keyboards and punch holes through a wall eventually allowed me to contact my local GP and got referred to a councilling service for anger management, and they recommended therapy to help work through the underlying issues.
There's a stark difference, imho, between BM through in-game actions and actual, genuine toxicity through words. I do not BM, I hate it, I would never do it without serious provocation first, and I'd like that made clear. However, I also accept that you can never remove it from online games, and so in circumstances like that it's best to try and seek help for yourself, either through taking breaks from the game, or seeing a medical professional.
In circumstances like this, however, where people are going through previous names just to harass your appearance, or mocking the fact that your significant other died of cancer, or telling you to (in less polite words) commit scooter ankle, or any other form of harassment like that, it should never be allowed. In both scenarios, the blame is placed on the perpetrator of the actions, and in both scenarios they are dicks for doing so. However, in one, they should be punished, and in the other, it cannot be realistically removed or punished without affecting normal gameplay so looking for alternative methods for coping with what you feel is the best case scenario.
I hope that makes sense? Small amounts of BM are unavoidable and if it's causing major distress there's probably another unaddressed issue there you should look into for your general wellbeing (I know my knuckles appreciate it much more when I don't use them to break the wall, and having healthier ways of coping has helped me outside of DBD too). Large amounts of genuine hatred and other such harassment should never be tolerated, and the perpretrators should be punished. It's not the fault of the person being harassed in either case.
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Okay, cool. Thanks for explaining your position. That makes a lot more sense now.
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No worries! I'm glad I could clear it up, because I definitely see how it could get confusing. Thank you for asking!
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I also agree with this 100%. There is no better way to describe something like this
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People are too sensitive. Anything that is said to them that they don't want to hear is "hate speech". We don't need moderation of the chat. I hate the ###### crap. I want to see what others said to me. The only thing that needs to be done is an instructional be added to the game that shows people that they can disable the chat system by clicking on the double arrow next to chat. If you don't want to be offended, please click the double arrow box here. Some of us have thick enough skin and love the comments!
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What an ignorant take that just shows you lack any form of empathy and tells me all I need to know about you as a person.
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