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End of nft collaboration?
So it seems that Behavior was able to get out of the whole nft situation they had with the old license holders, Park Avenue Entertainment, and the company behind the nft, Boss Protocol. Let me explain
The original creator of Hellraiser, Clive Barker, on December 29th, 2021 became the official license owner of Hellraiser. Although Pinhead still has nft's the ones that Behavior were apart of are no longer what boss protocol is interested in and come from a different artist so no more nft's.
Thanks to Clive Barker you can buy the Hellraiser chapter without giving it to a money hungry company and very low quality "art".
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Good.
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I’m still very unhappy about it regardless if they have dropped it or not.
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ngl the whole NFT thing feels like a fever dream to me
Like it happened, there was massive backlash and controversy and then the chapter became notoriously the most downvoted chapter on steam (I think)?
And then BHVR just moved on like nothing happened after going "we hear you no nfts in our game dot dot dot"
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Maybe is this the reason why the voices are back too?
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Who cares if NFTs we're part of their license agreement? It was so dumb anyway, this community will freak out over anything.
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Then don't fund it. Simple as that.
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So tell us before a large majority of people have already bought the chapter??
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I mean it didn't have anything to do with dbd. They just gave them pinhead models they made, it's not like it was connected to the chapter in any way.
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No because they were for the game and then they separately gave them to the company, that was part of the licensing deal. The hellraiser NFT had no connection to the chapter, you weren't buying or supporting an NFT in any way, it was 100% tied to the hellraiser company, not BHVR.
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Now, you see, when you use an IP for a product, you must first get permission to do so in the form of a contract. This contract contains sections which describes the "royalties" the licence holders will receive upon any purchase of the product, which often times is a lump sum payment and then percentage of any sales.
So, when BHVR licenced the chapter from Park Avenue Entertainment, they would've most likely paid a lump sum + then any sales of the chapter would also have funded the business. This funding was then used to support the same business that licenced out the IP to Boss Protocol.
So no, they absolutely are connected and indirectly a purchase of the chapter helped fund the NFTs, either by covering the actual cost or ensuring the opportunity cost of the investment would be covered at a later date.
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What most likely happened is that Park Avenue told BHVR that they got to keep the pinhead model they made for dbd and use it for whatever they wanted (which happened to be an NFT) and BHVR just agreed because it's not up to them what Park Avenue does with a model, it was just part of the contract that they get to use the model.
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And yet money still went to Park Avenue from an unsuspecting playerbase. Congrats on missing my point.
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Ok the point is that BHVR or dbd had no connection to this NFT. BHVR didn't make it, nor did they get any money from it, you also didn't buy an NFT when you bought the chapter, nor did you "support" it. When you bought the Hellraiser chapter all you did was buy a DLC for dbd, just because the model for the NFT is the same doesn't mean that it's connected in any way other than being a licensed model that basically anybody can use.
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I really don't know what's worse, BHVR misreading their playerbase that badly to think we'd be cool with NFT's or them not caring at all.
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Except it is through royalties through the same company!
Everyone that bought the Hellraiser chapter financially supported the NFTs by proxy. That's how the money works, because it went to Park Avenue.
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The license agreement BHVR has is still with Park Avenue, they will continue to receive royalties until the agreement they made with BHVR expires. When it comes to to renew the agreement that is when they would have to go through Clive Barker and the royalties then would go to Barker.
Apparently Boss Protocol gave sneak peak recently on their discord of the Pinhead voice lines we now have in the ptb so even those were still through the NFT company.
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Bruh it's a model that anybody can use. Ok whatever if you want to think you would be supporting an NFT, then don't buy the chapter, otherwise just let people be and enjoy a DLC that they bought that really has nothing to do with an NFT.
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You should be mad at Park Avenue, not BHVR. All BHVR did was make a model for their game and then give it to Park because they had to. That's all.
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It was a contract.
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But we weren't told before the majority of people dud buy the chapter that's my ######### point?!
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What precisely do you think they did?
Sign a contract they didn't read.
Forgive me if I find that unlikely.
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No contract has to be signed and can be voided and both parties given a rescission if both parties did not agree willingly.
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No I'm sure the contract was just for giving Park Avenue the model for whatever they wanted. Even if it said they were using it for an NFT it doesn't matter because it has nothing to do with BHVR. Boss Protocol would have just made another model if it wasn't for BHVR anyway so it does so little in the long run.
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So, if you had knowledge that someone was going to burn down an office building and you sold them gasoline, it's not your fault because you didn't technically burn that building, right? And besides, they could've gotten the gasoline from anywhere.
See how bad that argument is?
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Are you saying an NFT is the equivalent of burning down a building? One of those is extremely illegal and one is not.
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Tbh, right now I'm pretty sure that NFT's cause more pollution than burning down a building would
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One is illegal and causes property damage, one is a legal technicality, helps cover up money laundering (which is illegal), uses market strategies to create fake scarcity for fake demand (which is illegal), and soon will be regulated to ensure that illegal things stop happening, while also in the process causing massive irreversible property damage equal to that of Argentina.
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Well I didn't want to dive into this discussion cuz it's a dbd forum not an NFT forum but it really is not that bad at all. I don't get how people were mad at the NFT thing but not about dbd pop figures. Pop figures are manufactured with plastic that does nothing but still on a shelf. They can't be recycled and hurts the environment quite a bit. My point is that if you truly cared about the environment you would be against basically any kind of collection based dbd product like statues and figures and not just an NFT that isn't dbd at all.
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Well if NFTs become illegal and BHVR gets shut down then I'm wrong.
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Pop figure: sits on a shelf and does nothing
Nfts: also sits on a hard drive and does nothing but to obtain one you also use more power than most small countries, the majority of which is coal power, and you don't even own the ######### image.
Mhm good comparison
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So you're ok with a manufactured plastic product that doesn't do anything and is ACTUALLY officially licensed by BHVR and dbd? It's actually more than just pop figures there are vinyl soundtracks and expensive statues too. All that hurt the environment debatedly more than an NFT that ISN'T licensed by BHVR.
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You are all focalizing the NFT debate in the pollution but why no one mentioned that they're a damn scam and a speculation method which mainly benefict the riches.
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Yes im more okay with something that serves a function and isn't something so utterly pointless as owning a link to a file at the opportunity cost of the rainforest.
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Ouch. This actually just proves that dbd players really don't care about the environment that much when faced with actual things that hurt it.
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I'm literally against NFTs and hate them with a passion what
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NFTs hurt it more for less lmfao sit down
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I quoted the wrong person, sorry.
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No worries
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There are licensed Bubba NFTs as well.
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Yea and regardless of what Behavior does they will always have collaborated with a nft company and there isn't anything they can do to fix that. I'm just saying that your money won't go towards the nft company anymore.
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Oh yeah I totally get what you’re saying. It’s just still always going to be something that will be remembered and it will haunt their reputation forever.
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That's not a good thing??
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If it helps I did bring up the issue of money laundering + manufacturing demand
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Ouch. You really have no clue on how NFTs affect the environment at all but you are still defending them.
with the argument of ‚but there is something worse‘ (which doesn’t hold true in your case).
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How do they affect the environment more than basically any other physical collectible?
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'BHVR didn't make it'
That's not true, according to their own twitter. They stated that they actively participated in the NFT creation.
'They might've been contractually obligated to say that'
Then that's not a contract they should've signed.
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Do your research, you have already been told in this thread but ignored it.
Here a keyword on what you should look into: Etherum Blockchain
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Something else that should be mentioned here is that at least some of the devs were not even aware of the connection to NFTs and basically found out the same way the community did.
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Ohh, so people are mad that BHVR made a model for their game that Park Avenue took, licensed out to another company who made an NFT which people are buying with ETH. So BHVR is 5x removed from the hurting of the environment. You can't get mad at that but not mad at BHVR actually licensing out their characters for pop figures and vinyls. It makes no sense.
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