Hatch Campers = not very bright
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That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.
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I get your point and I was just saying what I'd do. I suppose if I was a killer with no kills, then you would hope one survivor would go for hatch and have a chance for a capture but if you already have 3 kills, just try and find survivor and if they get hatch first so be it, you have 3 kills, go to next game. Can see definitely benefits of hatch camping for survivors with them doing gens etc, building up BP2
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Anyone involved in a hatch stand off is a moron.
Killer - Don't camp hatch, try find the survivor. If you chase a survivor to hatch just hit him and move on. It's 700 sacrifice bp and up to 2500 deviousness bp. Not important move on. .
Survivor - If the killer is camping just do gens. Failing a skill check will often pull the killer off the hatch allowing you to slip by.
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Yeah, it's dumb, but survivors and killers both tend to get fixated so hard on one objective that they lose sight of the rest.
Survivors with the hatch play often only want the hatch, no matter what.
Killers learn this, and obsess over blocking the hatch, but also obsess over hooking and sacrificing that stopping the hatch play from even starting isn't a thing to them.1 -
@branchini1979 said:
I read about hatch camping wars and I am not bothered by it. Let me explain and just my own personal opinion. Have had a few killers now camp the hatch and one game, I was last survivor with 3 gens. Early on I knew what they were doing so I just went ahead and did gens. After each gen checked on killer. Not budging. Managed to do all gens Open both gates and do all totems because killer obsessed with hatch. Got myself lots of BP. I will always choose to do gens and other objectives and if they do bother to finally move, there hatch camping has given away location of hatch. Long message I know but all I am saying is, the killers can have the hatch, I'll do objectives, escape through gate and go on to next gameCamping is never a good strategy. It only is so effective because survivors play as if they have no brain.
Good job for using your brain btw
(the killer was just afk on hatch probably because he couldnt find you within reasonable time, after a few minutes searchign I dont bother either)3 -
Well this will all get fixed when they add a way for killers to win a hatch standoff if they find it first.
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I normally just give them the kill if they really want it. Unless they p!ss me off at some point in the game, I will let them have the kill.
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I dare to correct you!Master said:@branchini1979 said:
I read about hatch camping wars and I am not bothered by it. Let me explain and just my own personal opinion. Have had a few killers now camp the hatch and one game, I was last survivor with 3 gens. Early on I knew what they were doing so I just went ahead and did gens. After each gen checked on killer. Not budging. Managed to do all gens Open both gates and do all totems because killer obsessed with hatch. Got myself lots of BP. I will always choose to do gens and other objectives and if they do bother to finally move, there hatch camping has given away location of hatch. Long message I know but all I am saying is, the killers can have the hatch, I'll do objectives, escape through gate and go on to next gameCamping is never a good strategy. It only is so effective because survivors play as if they have no brain.
Good job for using your brain btw (the killer was just afk on hatch probably because he couldnt find you within reasonable time, after a few minutes searchign I dont bother either)
-Camping is ALWAYS a good strategy IF survivors play as if they have no brain.
I have had many games go from almost a 0k to a 4k because survivors rush my hook when I am clearly downing them with 1 shot (NOED lol).
When I camp against good survivors, I get SCHMEKT! Forces me to have to go out after them. (It just occurred to me....maybe I need to get better at camping! "Adapt"...as they say!)I
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@DocOctober said:
That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.Nobody but the killer can keep the killer hostage in a hatch stand off. All you have to do is hit the survivor to end the stand off. If anyone is keeping someone hostage, it is the killer. In response to the OP, the killer probably just went AFK. Working gens if the killer is literally standing on the hatch refusing to move is the right thing to do, but when you pop a gen there is always the chance that the killer will try and catch you before you can get the hatch.
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Dreamnomad said:
@DocOctober said:
That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.Nobody but the killer can keep the killer hostage in a hatch stand off. All you have to do is hit the survivor to end the stand off. If anyone is keeping someone hostage, it is the killer. In response to the OP, the killer probably just went AFK. Working gens if the killer is literally standing on the hatch refusing to move is the right thing to do, but when you pop a gen there is always the chance that the killer will try and catch you before you can get the hatch.
Wrong. The Killer has one objective, to sacrifice the Survivor and in that situation only one way to achieve it. Giving the Hatch is not it.
The Survivor on the other hand has an alternative way to achieve their objective: repairing gens and leaving via the gates. If they don't do that and insist on getting the Hatch, they are holding the Killer hostage.3 -
@DocOctober said:
That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.Mutual stubbornness is not holding the game hostage. Either side can just opt to take the loss and move onto the next game.
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Found hatch in barn, corner of the map.
Went to stand on top of farm equipment in the middle.
Survivor comes right to me thinking I'm camping the hatch.
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@Peanits said:
@DocOctober said:
That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.Mutual stubbornness is not holding the game hostage. Either side can just opt to take the loss and move onto the next game.
You won't change my opinion on that. The Survivor has other means to escape and end the trial at that point, the Killer does not. If the Survivor insists on going through the Hatch with the Killer inevitably losing if they do anything other than standing atop the Hatch, it is holding the game hostage in my opinion and I frankly don't care what the moderators think of it. I know that at least some of the devs share my views in this regard.
@azazer said:
Found hatch in barn, corner of the map.
Went to stand on top of farm equipment in the middle.
Survivor comes right to me thinking I'm camping the hatch.That's what I usually do as well, but in my recent case of Hatch stand-off, the Survivor knew exactly where the Hatch was as their SWF team mate disconnected after I downed them pretty much atop of it.
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@DocOctober said:
@Peanits said:
@DocOctober said:
That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.Mutual stubbornness is not holding the game hostage. Either side can just opt to take the loss and move onto the next game.
You won't change my opinion on that. The Survivor has other means to escape and end the trial at that point, the Killer does not. If the Survivor insists on going through the Hatch with the Killer inevitably losing if they do anything other than standing atop the Hatch, it is holding the game hostage in my opinion and I frankly don't care what the moderators think of it. I know that at least some of the devs share my views in this regard.
@azazer said:
Found hatch in barn, corner of the map.
Went to stand on top of farm equipment in the middle.
Survivor comes right to me thinking I'm camping the hatch.That's what I usually do as well, but in my recent case of Hatch stand-off, the Survivor knew exactly where the Hatch was as their SWF team mate disconnected after I downed them pretty much atop of it.
Oh yes blame it on the survivor and say they have other means like doing 1-4 gens, yeah that'll happen against a Billy/Nurse/Doctor/Spirit/Hag.
The only one holding the game hostage is the killer camping the hatch and that's a fact, you can go patrol, you know actually hunt for the survivor and not camp. You haven't earned that 4k no matter how much you whine about it.
The survivor has to actually find the hatch and actually make it in,, if you want that 4k then earn it by killing that survivor. If I get 3k i'll go patrol looking for that 4th person and quite often I'll give them the hatch if they played hard.
But if you're going to do a hatch standoff that's your own fault.
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@powerbats said:
@DocOctober said:
@Peanits said:
@DocOctober said:
That's not the problem. The problem are Survivors that insist on going through the Hatch and keep the Killer hostage.Mutual stubbornness is not holding the game hostage. Either side can just opt to take the loss and move onto the next game.
You won't change my opinion on that. The Survivor has other means to escape and end the trial at that point, the Killer does not. If the Survivor insists on going through the Hatch with the Killer inevitably losing if they do anything other than standing atop the Hatch, it is holding the game hostage in my opinion and I frankly don't care what the moderators think of it. I know that at least some of the devs share my views in this regard.
@azazer said:
Found hatch in barn, corner of the map.
Went to stand on top of farm equipment in the middle.
Survivor comes right to me thinking I'm camping the hatch.That's what I usually do as well, but in my recent case of Hatch stand-off, the Survivor knew exactly where the Hatch was as their SWF team mate disconnected after I downed them pretty much atop of it.
Oh yes blame it on the survivor and say they have other means like doing 1-4 gens, yeah that'll happen against a Billy/Nurse/Doctor/Spirit/Hag.
The only one holding the game hostage is the killer camping the hatch and that's a fact, you can go patrol, you know actually hunt for the survivor and not camp. You haven't earned that 4k no matter how much you whine about it.
The survivor has to actually find the hatch and actually make it in,, if you want that 4k then earn it by killing that survivor. If I get 3k i'll go patrol looking for that 4th person and quite often I'll give them the hatch if they played hard.
But if you're going to do a hatch standoff that's your own fault.
What exactly is there to patrol if the Survivor is RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME? As I pointed out, the Survivor knew about the Hatch's location. It was located in a jungle gym and the Survivor hid behind the wall when I downed their SWF team mate who then disconnected. Right as the Hatch opened, the Survivor came around the corner and the stand-off began.
There's nothing to patrol or hunt in that scenario. That's the same stupid response given to camping Killers in case of hook-swarming Survivors.
And you say that I'm not entitled to the fourth kill, but why is the Survivor somehow entitled to that Hatch escape? Huh?
Stop trying to make up scenarios you haven't witnessed.
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@DocOctober said:
What exactly is there to patrol if the Survivor is RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME? As I pointed out, the Survivor knew about the Hatch's location. It was located in a jungle gym and the Survivor hid behind the wall when I downed their SWF team mate who then disconnected. Right as the Hatch opened, the Survivor came around the corner and the stand-off began.
There's nothing to patrol or hunt in that scenario. That's the same stupid response given to camping Killers in case of hook-swarming Survivors.
And you say that I'm not entitled to the fourth kill, but why is the Survivor somehow entitled to that Hatch escape? Huh?
Stop trying to make up scenarios you haven't witnessed.
I'm not talking about your single scenario or wasn't I clear enough?
So how is that a stupid response just because you didn't like a factual response about the more often scenario which is the killer finds it 1st?
3, I never said the survivor was entitled to the hatch now did I, if you have to resort to that type of response it's obvious you've already lost.
.4 Oh so in my 1362+ hours I"ve never witnessed a single hatch standoff, wow that's some genius logic considering I've been involved in plenty on both sides.
Now I know you don't have any argument but are grasping at straws now.
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@powerbats said:
@DocOctober said:
What exactly is there to patrol if the Survivor is RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME? As I pointed out, the Survivor knew about the Hatch's location. It was located in a jungle gym and the Survivor hid behind the wall when I downed their SWF team mate who then disconnected. Right as the Hatch opened, the Survivor came around the corner and the stand-off began.
There's nothing to patrol or hunt in that scenario. That's the same stupid response given to camping Killers in case of hook-swarming Survivors.
And you say that I'm not entitled to the fourth kill, but why is the Survivor somehow entitled to that Hatch escape? Huh?
Stop trying to make up scenarios you haven't witnessed.
I'm not talking about your single scenario or wasn't I clear enough?
So how is that a stupid response just because you didn't like a factual response about the more often scenario which is the killer finds it 1st?
3, I never said the survivor was entitled to the hatch now did I, if you have to resort to that type of response it's obvious you've already lost.
.4 Oh so in my 1362+ hours I"ve never witnessed a single hatch standoff, wow that's some genius logic considering I've been involved in plenty on both sides.
Now I know you don't have any argument but are grasping at straws now.
Read my post in the context of me having assumed that you were referring to MY scenario, since that was the logical thing to assume on my part.
In the context of a general Hatch game with the possibility of there not being a stand-off from the very start of the Hatch spawn, I don't have the complaints I portray in post.
If there is a chance to down the Survivor before they reach the Hatch, I'm just fine with it. I only have a problem with the scenario in which there is no option for the Killer to not lose the stand-off unless the Survivor jumps first and you manage to grab them, which is the scenario I recently had.
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Let me rephrase the question: you say that I'm not entitled to the 4th kill, but why should I be the one to forfeit the game and let the Survivor escape? That comes awfully close to the Survivor being entitled to a Hatch escape even if you didn't say it directly.
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1. When you say that the standoff is entirely the Killers fault you imply that the survivor did nothing wrong, in fact you accuse Killers of a bannable offense, better start reporting to get them banned, how dare they not leave the hatch alone, the deadzone radius where the Killer can't react anymore without a garanteed escape is a myth anyway.powerbats said:@DocOctober said:
What exactly is there to patrol if the Survivor is RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME? As I pointed out, the Survivor knew about the Hatch's location. It was located in a jungle gym and the Survivor hid behind the wall when I downed their SWF team mate who then disconnected. Right as the Hatch opened, the Survivor came around the corner and the stand-off began.
There's nothing to patrol or hunt in that scenario. That's the same stupid response given to camping Killers in case of hook-swarming Survivors.
And you say that I'm not entitled to the fourth kill, but why is the Survivor somehow entitled to that Hatch escape? Huh?
Stop trying to make up scenarios you haven't witnessed.
I'm not talking about your single scenario or wasn't I clear enough?
So how is that a stupid response just because you didn't like a factual response about the more often scenario which is the killer finds it 1st?
3, I never said the survivor was entitled to the hatch now did I, if you have to resort to that type of response it's obvious you've already lost.
.4 Oh so in my 1362+ hours I"ve never witnessed a single hatch standoff, wow that's some genius logic considering I've been involved in plenty on both sides.
Now I know you don't have any argument but are grasping at straws now.
2. Do you have any numbers that prove that Killers usually find it first? The Hatch usually spawns when multiple survivors are alive, at that point no Killer is going to ever bother looking for it, unlike survivors who already know that the odds are stacked against them, and if they are on comms then i'd say the chances to find it first are indeed in their favor.
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@DocOctober said:
Let me rephrase the question: you say that I'm not entitled to the 4th kill, but why should I be the one to forfeit the game and let the Survivor escape? That comes awfully close to the Survivor being entitled to a Hatch escape even if you didn't say it directly.They won't say it because even them know how ridiculous it sound.
They will still defend it in the most disingenious ways, as usual.
As said in another thread, if you summarize most of their "arguments" all you get is :
"Why so rude ? Let him win, don't be so mean you freakin' try-hard ! Do you really NEED to kill everyone ?"
Kids shouldn't have a say balance wise.
Brace yourself for the incoming wave of LOLs on your logical posts ahah.
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Knew I had that somewhere:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9beE0fWMyow2 -
Make it so hatch only opens if 3 other survivors have been sacrificed otherwise only a key opens it. Remove the generator requirement for it to open for the last survivor. When the hatch opens it will always close after 30 seconds but when it opens show the aura of hatch to all survivors for 10 seconds. Visibility rules remain the same in regards to when survivors can see it.
There's a compromise - Survivors who got screwed over by bad teammates still have a chance to escape and there's no more hatch standoff because if you don't reach it you're going to die. End game though the game still only revolves around the gate so there's no camping hatch waiting for the remaining survivors to leave through gates. Feel free to tell me the hatch closing when you wouldn't even need generators finished is unfair though. It closes when a key is used so I don't see this being an issue.
Disclaimer - I don't care about hatch standoff. I'll either suicide or hit survivor because 5k bp means nothing to me. I just see the game being held hostage complaints as silly because both players have the option to forfeit. Although if the game made them make a choice this wouldn't be an issue.
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OP it sounded like your killer went AFK on the hatch to me. No offense, but I think you are trying to give yourself more credit than you should. No competent killer is just gonna stand on a hatch for 3 gens, all totems be destroyed and power both exit gates.
Second, the hatch mechanic is freaking terrible. I don't even waste my time with it, if a survivor gets it, they get it. I don't understand why doodoo mechanics take so long to be fixed in this game. There's add-ons that haven't worked since I've started this game. Hire more devs or something, it's crazy that all this stuff is still broken in the game.
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