No One Escapes Death
Also known as "I'm gonna need an 'oh ######### button' because I'm a bad killer main" lol All jokes aside, this perk is EVERYWHERE. Hell, I even see Leather Face and Billy mains running this perk.
Although it's not really surprising anymore because every killer runs it, can us survivors at least get one of two:
1) A totem counter so everyone can know how many totems are left to cleanse.
2) The exposed notification when NOED activates, rather than upon first down. It really sucks when you've won the entire match and body a hit for a hurt survivor only to get surprised with NOED. Then everyone else escapes without you because they're scared of getting insta-downed. The perk should be titled "One Person Won't Escape Death!" with an Arthur fist as the icon lol
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Break the totems. You're not entitled to that information.
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Like I always say, I'm a reasonable person. I am all up for a NOED nerf if decisicive gets nerfed, but survivors typically never want to make that trade off. You have the option of rendering NOED completely useless, I have to be lucky enough to be close enough to a hook to dribble to counter DS. I can't counter Deliverance unless it's the last person hooked and I'm expecting it. I can't counter a three man body block of the hook.
I agree NOED is powerful and it's frustrating, but it's counterable. All our options can be hard countered, but you have a variety of options that can't be countered or only soft countered. So, you're going to have to come to the negotiating table if you have your sights on taking down NOED a notch or two.
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With as many survivors running adrenaline, NOED is perfectly balanced and actually adds suspense and makes any killer a threat.
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The amount of times I see other survivors just wander by and leave totems uncleansed...nuts.
Naturally I always seem to have difficulty finding the Ruin totem for some reason.3 -
While i dont have any problem with noed, i agree on one thing: if a one shot killer, like billy, runs noed that killer sucks and doesnt know how to play that character.8
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True, but SWF get that information for free so....Orion said:Break the totems. You're not entitled to that information.
As for the OP, ALWAYS assume they have NOED until proven otherwise. I try to stand on the edge of the exit. So if they hit me out if notifies the rest if NOED is active.4 -
As soon as NOED becomes base kit for all killers, sure.
You do realize knowing how many totems are left would basically make NOED worthless? Survivors would all know for certain if it can activate or not.
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NOED is such a bad perk at this point, you should rather ask for buffs instead of even more nerfs.
like, seriously: just run BW. it does NOEDs job at preventing them from escaping 1000 times better than NOED does.
besides that, you do realyse that you could leave ANY TIME YOU WANT when NOED kicks in, right?
even more laughable is, that the killer runs 3 perks for the whole game and in the end, only has a chance that NOED might kick in and if it does, it usually only gets you 1 down before the totem blows up.but apparently some people are to incompetent to destroy 5 totems in the midgame, which are mostly very poorly hidden. (btw if the killer runs Ruin, you only need to hunt down 4 NOED totems)
Please stop beating a dead horse, as there is literally nothing left they could nerf on NOED without making an "okay" perk to an "trash" perk.
cant wait to get my LOL ratings ^^
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Rank? Because you talk like a really new ish player. Just cleanse totems, big counter huh?4
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Survivors have a counter to NOED already: it's called Small Game.
Before you say that you don't want to give up a perk slot to sense traps and totems, if "every" killer is running NOED, and it's that big a problem for you... well, there you go.
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Small Game exists2
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I can't belive there are people complaining about NOED, it's so easy to counter it, you don't even need to clean all totems, just do the ones that are in an awkard positivon, leave one or two in a position you can remember and when the last gen is done go and check those two totems before rushing to the door.
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I> @Orion said:
Break the totems. You're not entitled to that information.
Maybe we aren't entitled to that information, but we are certainly entitled to know if we are exposed. NOED is the only instance when being exposed isn't revealed until it's too late for someone. If we're exposed, tell us we're exposed. That's the information survivors are entitled to if killers are entitled to insta-downs.
@Malakir said:
Rank? Because you talk like a really new ish player. Just cleanse totems, big counter huh?Rank 1 Survivor actually. Rank 15 (I think?) Killer. All on PS4 to be fully transparent. I've only recently gotten into playing Killer. Prior, I only did it for Daily Rituals.
I never said I have personal trouble with NOED. I think in it's current state, it's not good for the game. It enforces bad teamwork from survivors and rewards low skill killers.
How are survivors supposed to know they have cleansed all totems? Perhaps a totem tally is too powerful. A good way to know they failed this objective is if the hex and exposed notifications appear immediately after lighting the last gen. It would punish survivors for not cleansing all the totems without feeling cheap.
As it is now, some poor sucker gets surprise insta-downed and everyone else says "oh ######### we're exposed" and leaves, completely dismantling altruism and leaving one person feeling cheated (especially if they took the hit for an injured survivor).
@Wahara said:
Like I always say, I'm a reasonable person. I am all up for a NOED nerf if decisicive gets nerfed, but survivors typically never want to make that trade off. You have the option of rendering NOED completely useless, I have to be lucky enough to be close enough to a hook to dribble to counter DS. I can't counter Deliverance unless it's the last person hooked and I'm expecting it. I can't counter a three man body block of the hook.I agree NOED is powerful and it's frustrating, but it's counterable. All our options can be hard countered, but you have a variety of options that can't be countered or only soft countered. So, you're going to have to come to the negotiating table if you have your sights on taking down NOED a notch or two.
I don't think DS should be nerfed. It's a single use perk that one may or may not land the difficult skill check on. One may also have to wiggle up to it, which makes it more difficult to land. To top that off, juggling can render DS completely useless. Then one has to successfully escape afterwards.
Deliverance is also a single use, circumstantial perk that comes with the inability to heal back to full health.
I think there may be some fundamental gameplay changes needed to correct the issues you've outlined:
- Killers should be able to push through survivors, completely disabling body blocking.
- Juggling is inherently a bad mechanic that shouldn't be required of killers. I don't believe killers should be able to juggle survivors once the skill check for DS has appeared. DS should take priority, since it's difficult and single use. If the survivor ignores or fails the skill check, dropping a survivor can become available again. If ignored, DS won't activate until the next time the survivor is downed. As a trade off, make DS stun for less time or even more difficult to land.
I'm glad there have been so many constructive responses! It's clear both sides have frustrations. There seems to be too much feeling of unfairness. I think that all of these issues can be addressed in a way that makes them fair for both sides, yet keep the game competitive and asymmetrical. Let killers and survivors have and fairly use their perks, but make it rely on skilled gameplay rather than poor mechanics, body blocking, etc.
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@Milo said:
Small Game existsThank you for mentioning it.
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Just the fact you say DS is a difficult skill check when as survivor you do only skill checks 24/7 its kinda sad.scumrrado said:I> @Orion said:
Break the totems. You're not entitled to that information.
Maybe we aren't entitled to that information, but we are certainly entitled to know if we are exposed. NOED is the only instance when being exposed isn't revealed until it's too late for someone. If we're exposed, tell us we're exposed. That's the information survivors are entitled to if killers are entitled to insta-downs.
@Malakir said:
Rank? Because you talk like a really new ish player. Just cleanse totems, big counter huh?Rank 1 Survivor actually. Rank 15 (I think?) Killer. All on PS4 to be fully transparent. I've only recently gotten into playing Killer. Prior, I only did it for Daily Rituals.
I never said I have personal trouble with NOED. I think in it's current state, it's not good for the game. It enforces bad teamwork from survivors and rewards low skill killers.
How are survivors supposed to know they have cleansed all totems? Perhaps a totem tally is too powerful. A good way to know they failed this objective is if the hex and exposed notifications appear immediately after lighting the last gen. It would punish survivors for not cleansing all the totems without feeling cheap.
As it is now, some poor sucker gets surprise insta-downed and everyone else says "oh ######### we're exposed" and leaves, completely dismantling altruism and leaving one person feeling cheated (especially if they took the hit for an injured survivor).
@Wahara said:
Like I always say, I'm a reasonable person. I am all up for a NOED nerf if decisicive gets nerfed, but survivors typically never want to make that trade off. You have the option of rendering NOED completely useless, I have to be lucky enough to be close enough to a hook to dribble to counter DS. I can't counter Deliverance unless it's the last person hooked and I'm expecting it. I can't counter a three man body block of the hook.I agree NOED is powerful and it's frustrating, but it's counterable. All our options can be hard countered, but you have a variety of options that can't be countered or only soft countered. So, you're going to have to come to the negotiating table if you have your sights on taking down NOED a notch or two.
I don't think DS should be nerfed. It's a single use perk that one may or may not land the difficult skill check on. One may also have to wiggle up to it, which makes it more difficult to land. To top that off, juggling can render DS completely useless. Then one has to successfully escape afterwards.
Deliverance is also a single use, circumstantial perk that comes with the inability to heal back to full health.
I think there may be some fundamental gameplay changes needed to correct the issues you've outlined:
- Killers should be able to push through survivors, completely disabling body blocking.
- Juggling is inherently a bad mechanic that shouldn't be required of killers. I don't believe killers should be able to juggle survivors once the skill check for DS has appeared. DS should take priority, since it's difficult and single use. If the survivor ignores or fails the skill check, dropping a survivor can become available again. If ignored, DS won't activate until the next time the survivor is downed. As a trade off, make DS stun for less time or even more difficult to land.
I'm glad there have been so many constructive responses! It's clear both sides have frustrations. There seems to be too much feeling of unfairness. I think that all of these issues can be addressed in a way that makes them fair for both sides, yet keep the game competitive and asymmetrical. Let killers and survivors have and fairly use their perks, but make it rely on skilled gameplay rather than poor mechanics, body blocking, etc.
BTW nodded feel cheap? Well even DS itself feel cheap as well as sprint burst. I see more games where people actually do totems recently and ending up noed being useless leaving the killed with 3 perks actually the whole game. You feel entitled to have info about number of totems left or ANOTHER (keyword) notification for survivors when it activates before hitting someone. Really?
Already totems spawn sucks, being in the open or close to gens, on of the reason on of the most fun perk, devour hope, which reward to stay away from the hooks its a huge gamble and not worth it. Same for any hex, noed included
Want to make the killer unable to juggle after the skill check appear.. Really? That's the only counter killed have for it or eat it
Deliverance being unable to heal.. For 60s tho, you forgot this detail, as you word it sounds like its for the whole game like a late no mother but whatever. for what I does, unhook yourself, its pretty huge and well balanced since need requirements unlike others (DS for ex)
You say killers having many options to counter survivors and not the other way around. Okay. How you counter someone who sprint burst away? Just walk and hope he doesn't get a safe loop
How you counter jungle gyms with two vaults since you can't be midgamed since you can see the killer through walls? Only get in the middle of it and trying to force him to go somewhere else that may or may not be safe and isn't a 100% chance since the killer while doing this is wasting a ton of time
I play mostly survivor and many times, especially during rank reset, I feel bad for killers and this alone proves how much power I have playing it. If me, a mediocre survivor in chases can waste a FCK ton of time between loops, jungle gyms, pallets and flashlight sometimes, there is a problem. I use Laurie once trying DS, I felt disgusted for how easy that skillcheck is, she will still forever lvl 1 in my list. Its unfair, simply as that.
Now in games I don't feel the only one doing totems (before I think I was) an I see way less noed pop, I don't really understand how people still complaining about ANY hex. Those things need a rework and maps as well
The only problem I have a survivor are other survivors that oddly enough loves to unhook me in front of the killer. They are the true broken thing. As said in another thread, give me an emote to interrupt these farmers, (like doing emote during heal) I proposed the middle finger but anything would be fine5 -
NOED can get a nerf after DS bites the bullet.3
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@Malakir said:
Just the fact you say DS is a difficult skill check when as survivor you do only skill checks 24/7 its kinda sad.It's difficult for me to read through lengthy posts that begin by trying to belittle my skill. I'm a Rank 1 survivor. I rank up quickly and I stay there. I know my skill level and am proud of it.
We all find difficulty with different challenges. That's what makes a game a game. The DS skill check is not easy. It's nearly the most difficult skill check in the game, based on success zone alone. In addition, there's a lot of pressure because I only get one shot, all while being juggled. If I'm not the obsession, I have to struggle up to it which is awkward to do on controllers. And usually, my heart is beating out of my chest from a good chase that I just lost. After all, I'm a survivor main because of the fun of experiencing fear.
We can find mutual ground. Apparently DS feels cheap. Well surprise so does NOED. Both are "oh #########" buttons that need to be looked at a little closer. They're relatively avoidable for us higher rank players, but both encourage bad gameplay mechanics and seem to create a lot of toxicity lol I think we can all agree on that.
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I'd be fine for the notification for NOED popping up immediately when the exit gates are powered if it was reverted to being a non-hex perk, or rolled into the killer base kit.
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So you won't read my lost but answer to it anyway? Whateverscumrrado said:@Malakir said:
Just the fact you say DS is a difficult skill check when as survivor you do only skill checks 24/7 its kinda sad.It's difficult for me to read through lengthy posts that begin by trying to belittle my skill. I'm a Rank 1 survivor. I rank up quickly and I stay there. I know my skill level and am proud of it.
We all find difficulty with different challenges. That's what makes a game a game. The DS skill check is not easy. It's nearly the most difficult skill check in the game, based on success zone alone. In addition, there's a lot of pressure because I only get one shot, all while being juggled. If I'm not the obsession, I have to struggle up to it which is awkward to do on controllers. And usually, my heart is beating out of my chest from a good chase that I just lost. After all, I'm a survivor main because of the fun of experiencing fear.
We can find mutual ground. Apparently DS feels cheap. Well surprise so does NOED. Both are "oh #########" buttons that need to be looked at a little closer. They're relatively avoidable for us higher rank players, but both encourage bad gameplay mechanics and seem to create a lot of toxicity lol I think we can all agree on that.
If you as survivor main can't hit a skill check even when its the only thing that you do its your problems for not being "skilled" for that check.
Need. stop whining about it, its literally the easiest perk to counter cleansing it. You don't even have to actively look for every totem for how awful the spawns are. They are in the open or close to a general, it takes 20s ish to cleanse it, so you're just being lazy.
DS feels cheap since I mostly play survivor and played Laurie lvl1 (where she belongs) and the skill check is easy af. So it might be you're not used to do gens through ruin so you find it difficult
At the same time ds gives you at minimum 30s of killers time if he commits that can be prolonged depending on the situation and survivor skill up to 1 to 2 min if doesn't lose the victim.
If you are so lazy to even just read through my post but answer anyway I can imagine why you put noed and DS close together. Lazy thinking
Edit: almost forgot. On controller wiggle it's easy. Just rotate the stick, you don't even need to do it fast. Its absurd you find it odd unless you move it left and right which is dumb. I figured it out in my first 5 minutes into the game4 -
@scumrrado since you do long posts and its fine but if someone respond to you making as well a long post and you won't read it through but respond anyway cuz you are lazy, I'm gonna summarize it for you:
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Survivor would just need to cleanse 1/2 totems each to deny NOED, it's not hard to count to 2.
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I agree that survivors should know that they are exposed instead of the status only being shown after the first hit. I've been downed many times by taking a hit for a teammate only for me to end up being dead.
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@Strider said:
I agree that survivors should know that they are exposed instead of the status only being shown after the first hit. I've been downed many times by taking a hit for a teammate only for me to end up being dead.Taking a hit is supposed to be a risk for you. Why are you upset that you had to endure the risk?
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I agree with @Orion this time, the amount of information survivors get is ridiculous, it should be more intuitive.Orion said:@Strider said:
I agree that survivors should know that they are exposed instead of the status only being shown after the first hit. I've been downed many times by taking a hit for a teammate only for me to end up being dead.Taking a hit is supposed to be a risk for you. Why are you upset that you had to endure the risk?
For instance, why do survivors get the lullaby notification when no one has been hooked yet?1 -
@Malakir said:
@scumrrado since you do long posts and its fine but if someone respond to you making as well a long post and you won't read it through but respond anyway cuz you are lazy, I'm gonna summarize it for you:GetGood
I'm the OP and I'm not making disrespectful jabs at anyone's skill. So, please stop being disrespectful. I'll read this post of yours.
And as far as "GetGood" goes, I can't really get better than Rank 1 lol
@Malakir said:
If you as survivor main can't hit a skill check even when its the only thing that you do its your problems for not being "skilled" for that check.If as a killer main one can't chase down survivors even when it's the only thing that they do it's their problem for not being 'skilled' at that. See how unhelpful and blatantly untrue saying something like that is?
Need. stop whining about it, its literally the easiest perk to counter cleansing it. You don't even have to actively look for every totem for how awful the spawns are. They are in the open or close to a general, it takes 20s ish to cleanse it, so you're just being lazy.
It's not about being lazy. I cleanse every totem I see. It's that survivors don't know if their team has cleansed all totems unless they're in comms. And if we don't know that information and when NOED activates we aren't told we're exposed, then ######### lol Tell us we failed the sub-objective and notify us of the exposed status when it activates.
DS feels cheap since I mostly play survivor and played Laurie lvl1 (where she belongs) and the skill check is easy af. So it might be you're not used to do gens through ruin so you find it difficult
At the same time ds gives you at minimum 30s of killers time if he commits that can be prolonged depending on the situation and survivor skill up to 1 to 2 min if doesn't lose the victim.
If you are so lazy to even just read through my post but answer anyway I can imagine why you put noed and DS close together. Lazy thinking
You're aware that the Success Zone of skill checks can vary, correct? And that DS has the smallest Success Zone in the game, apart from those caused by stacked perks or Great Skill Checks.
Sure, there's working through Ruin, but Ruin ultimately gets it's value, whether it's slowing down gen progress or slowing down the game while survivors search for the hexed totem. DS can be stripped of it's value by juggling or missing the one chance one gets to use it.
I'm only talking about DS because many responses brought it up. What's lazy is you not reading the thread before trying to make jabs. I wasn't too lazy to read your post. I didn't read it because of how you started it. If you were more respectful in your response, I would have gladly read it. I'm happy to have healthy, constructive debate.
Edit: almost forgot. On controller wiggle it's easy. Just rotate the stick, you don't even need to do it fast. Its absurd you find it odd unless you move it left and right which is dumb. I figured it out in my first 5 minutes into the game
And again, trying to devalue my skill. I'm Rank 1. I know how to wiggle and I still think it's an awkward mechanic that makes landing the DS skill check that much more difficult.
@Orion said:
@Strider said:
I agree that survivors should know that they are exposed instead of the status only being shown after the first hit. I've been downed many times by taking a hit for a teammate only for me to end up being dead.Taking a hit is supposed to be a risk for you. Why are you upset that you had to endure the risk?
Whenever survivors are exposed, they are notified that they are exposed. Except for NOED. NOED does not notify survivors until someone gets hit and is insta-downed. And NOED is the only time when survivors can actually combat being exposed. That's the issue - not getting the exposed status when NOED activates.
What if they added a Survivor Perk that gave every survivor an undeclared extra health state at the end of the game if all survivors remained alive? 1) That's not what the winning side needs 2) The Killer wouldn't know and would be pissed when they found out. NOED rewards a losing killer. Not exactly what the killer deserves, but to a degree, that's ok - that's what makes this an asymmetrical game and I like the fear of being exposed. Just let me know I'm exposed please.
If survivors had no clue what conditions they were suffering from, they would never have a chance to win. It would be way too unpredictable. There are so many perks in this game, certain information needs to be conveyed.
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@scumrradoscumrrado said:@Malakir said:
@scumrrado since you do long posts and its fine but if someone respond to you making as well a long post and you won't read it through but respond anyway cuz you are lazy, I'm gonna summarize it for you:GetGood
I'm the OP and I'm not making disrespectful jabs at anyone's skill. So, please stop being disrespectful. I'll read this post of yours.
And as far as "GetGood" goes, I can't really get better than Rank 1 lol
@Malakir said:
If you as survivor main can't hit a skill check even when its the only thing that you do its your problems for not being "skilled" for that check.If as a killer main one can't chase down survivors even when it's the only thing that they do it's their problem for not being 'skilled' at that. See how unhelpful and blatantly untrue saying something like that is?
Need. stop whining about it, its literally the easiest perk to counter cleansing it. You don't even have to actively look for every totem for how awful the spawns are. They are in the open or close to a general, it takes 20s ish to cleanse it, so you're just being lazy.
It's not about being lazy. I cleanse every totem I see. It's that survivors don't know if their team has cleansed all totems unless they're in comms. And if we don't know that information and when NOED activates we aren't told we're exposed, then ######### lol Tell us we failed the sub-objective and notify us of the exposed status when it activates.
DS feels cheap since I mostly play survivor and played Laurie lvl1 (where she belongs) and the skill check is easy af. So it might be you're not used to do gens through ruin so you find it difficult
At the same time ds gives you at minimum 30s of killers time if he commits that can be prolonged depending on the situation and survivor skill up to 1 to 2 min if doesn't lose the victim.
If you are so lazy to even just read through my post but answer anyway I can imagine why you put noed and DS close together. Lazy thinking
You're aware that the Success Zone of skill checks can vary, correct? And that DS has the smallest Success Zone in the game, apart from those caused by stacked perks or Great Skill Checks.
Sure, there's working through Ruin, but Ruin ultimately gets it's value, whether it's slowing down gen progress or slowing down the game while survivors search for the hexed totem. DS can be stripped of it's value by juggling or missing the one chance one gets to use it.
I'm only talking about DS because many responses brought it up. What's lazy is you not reading the thread before trying to make jabs. I wasn't too lazy to read your post. I didn't read it because of how you started it. If you were more respectful in your response, I would have gladly read it. I'm happy to have healthy, constructive debate.
Edit: almost forgot. On controller wiggle it's easy. Just rotate the stick, you don't even need to do it fast. Its absurd you find it odd unless you move it left and right which is dumb. I figured it out in my first 5 minutes into the game
And again, trying to devalue my skill. I'm Rank 1. I know how to wiggle and I still think it's an awkward mechanic that makes landing the DS skill check that much more difficult.
@Orion said:
@Strider said:
I agree that survivors should know that they are exposed instead of the status only being shown after the first hit. I've been downed many times by taking a hit for a teammate only for me to end up being dead.Taking a hit is supposed to be a risk for you. Why are you upset that you had to endure the risk?
Whenever survivors are exposed, they are notified that they are exposed. Except for NOED. NOED does not notify survivors until someone gets hit and is insta-downed. And NOED is the only time when survivors can actually combat being exposed. That's the issue - not getting the exposed status when NOED activates.
What if they added a Survivor Perk that gave every survivor an undeclared extra health state at the end of the game if all survivors remained alive? 1) That's not what the winning side needs 2) The Killer wouldn't know and would be pissed when they found out. NOED rewards a losing killer. Not exactly what the killer deserves, but to a degree, that's ok - that's what makes this an asymmetrical game and I like the fear of being exposed. Just let me know I'm exposed please.
If survivors had no clue what conditions they were suffering from, they would never have a chance to win. It would be way too unpredictable. There are so many perks in this game, certain information needs to be conveyed.
Dude, i'm a survivor main (70/30) who has played for 2 years and i can tell you i don't need that information in order to be able to survive.Post edited by Vietfox on1 -
Hilarious to see the same few people getting defensive over their precious crutch perk.
Dont touch noed
Camping is a legit strategy
I circle the hook waiting for unhooks so i can tunnel
- all things said by these same few people. Rank 15 killers who camp and NOED to victory.
Then cry when they face a decent SWF because that brings their strategy crashing down.6 -
First, DS skill check is like a great skill checkscumrrado said:@Malakir said:
@scumrrado since you do long posts and its fine but if someone respond to you making as well a long post and you won't read it through but respond anyway cuz you are lazy, I'm gonna summarize it for you:GetGood
I'm the OP and I'm not making disrespectful jabs at anyone's skill. So, please stop being disrespectful. I'll read this post of yours.
And as far as "GetGood" goes, I can't really get better than Rank 1 lol
@Malakir said:
If you as survivor main can't hit a skill check even when its the only thing that you do its your problems for not being "skilled" for that check.If as a killer main one can't chase down survivors even when it's the only thing that they do it's their problem for not being 'skilled' at that. See how unhelpful and blatantly untrue saying something like that is?
Need. stop whining about it, its literally the easiest perk to counter cleansing it. You don't even have to actively look for every totem for how awful the spawns are. They are in the open or close to a general, it takes 20s ish to cleanse it, so you're just being lazy.
It's not about being lazy. I cleanse every totem I see. It's that survivors don't know if their team has cleansed all totems unless they're in comms. And if we don't know that information and when NOED activates we aren't told we're exposed, then ######### lol Tell us we failed the sub-objective and notify us of the exposed status when it activates.
DS feels cheap since I mostly play survivor and played Laurie lvl1 (where she belongs) and the skill check is easy af. So it might be you're not used to do gens through ruin so you find it difficult
At the same time ds gives you at minimum 30s of killers time if he commits that can be prolonged depending on the situation and survivor skill up to 1 to 2 min if doesn't lose the victim.
If you are so lazy to even just read through my post but answer anyway I can imagine why you put noed and DS close together. Lazy thinking
You're aware that the Success Zone of skill checks can vary, correct? And that DS has the smallest Success Zone in the game, apart from those caused by stacked perks or Great Skill Checks.
Sure, there's working through Ruin, but Ruin ultimately gets it's value, whether it's slowing down gen progress or slowing down the game while survivors search for the hexed totem. DS can be stripped of it's value by juggling or missing the one chance one gets to use it.
I'm only talking about DS because many responses brought it up. What's lazy is you not reading the thread before trying to make jabs. I wasn't too lazy to read your post. I didn't read it because of how you started it. If you were more respectful in your response, I would have gladly read it. I'm happy to have healthy, constructive debate.
Edit: almost forgot. On controller wiggle it's easy. Just rotate the stick, you don't even need to do it fast. Its absurd you find it odd unless you move it left and right which is dumb. I figured it out in my first 5 minutes into the game
And again, trying to devalue my skill. I'm Rank 1. I know how to wiggle and I still think it's an awkward mechanic that makes landing the DS skill check that much more difficult.
@Orion said:
@Strider said:
I agree that survivors should know that they are exposed instead of the status only being shown after the first hit. I've been downed many times by taking a hit for a teammate only for me to end up being dead.Taking a hit is supposed to be a risk for you. Why are you upset that you had to endure the risk?
Whenever survivors are exposed, they are notified that they are exposed. Except for NOED. NOED does not notify survivors until someone gets hit and is insta-downed. And NOED is the only time when survivors can actually combat being exposed. That's the issue - not getting the exposed status when NOED activates.
What if they added a Survivor Perk that gave every survivor an undeclared extra health state at the end of the game if all survivors remained alive? 1) That's not what the winning side needs 2) The Killer wouldn't know and would be pissed when they found out. NOED rewards a losing killer. Not exactly what the killer deserves, but to a degree, that's ok - that's what makes this an asymmetrical game and I like the fear of being exposed. Just let me know I'm exposed please.
If survivors had no clue what conditions they were suffering from, they would never have a chance to win. It would be way too unpredictable. There are so many perks in this game, certain information needs to be conveyed.
Second, rank mean nothing, if rank 1 its huge achievement, wow..
Third, the 'skill' of a chase for killer is based on the survivor mistake and the unbalanced maps, pretty different from a skill check which won't run away abusing map flaws
Fourth, true noed is the only one who notify you. But instead of giving more info I would give less, hex broken? Everybody knows, which by itself its stupid. Why tell them? Devour hope, most rewarding and useless perk at the same time, cuz is an hex, like noed. A risky perk, DS isn't since I can't nullify it dribbling aside, different from any hex which can be taken away
Fifth, " If survivors had no clue what conditions they were suffering from, they would never have a chance to win. It would be way too unpredictable. There are so many perks in this game, certain information needs to be conveyed" are you serious? Okay after that I know you are a troll. You don't need even 1/3 of the info that already have been given to survive. Just when a gen is done should be enough
Sixth, noed reward bad killers. Noed can be counted before it activate, if you seriously think its a noob perk you should reconsider BT SB DS Adrenaline, that rewards players for playing bad. So what? Adrenaline itself cure an health state and give sprint burst, its like the opposite of noed but for survivors, the difference is I can't just cleanse your perk away.
Seventh, ""What if they added a Survivor Perk that gave every survivor an undeclared extra health state at the end of the game if all survivors remained alive? "" Adrenaline
Eighth, yes I'm mean cuz you are entitled and pretend to have more info when you're no supposed to have that many in the first place without perks (alert for example) I survived just done against people who use noed, I don't feel it cheap since 1 all totems are gone or 2 the bad totem locations make it easy to cleanse anyway when activated
Ninth, you should play killed more often. I don't belive you are rank 1 on killer side too. I play both sides and I can assume you survivors get it easy. still a dumb idea the vault change but whatever, I can still watch yt while surviving but when I play killer I have shittier vision (1st person) I have to rely on sounds way more and make them do mistake, not really making plays by my own. Just "mind game"them to throw themselves into me while as survivor I have just to look the huge red stain and I'm done. If he tries to mind game either he win or I get to another loop
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@Wahara said:
Like I always say, I'm a reasonable person. I am all up for a NOED nerf if decisicive gets nerfed, but survivors typically never want to make that trade off. You have the option of rendering NOED completely useless, I have to be lucky enough to be close enough to a hook to dribble to counter DS. I can't counter Deliverance unless it's the last person hooked and I'm expecting it. I can't counter a three man body block of the hook.I agree NOED is powerful and it's frustrating, but it's counterable. All our options can be hard countered, but you have a variety of options that can't be countered or only soft countered. So, you're going to have to come to the negotiating table if you have your sights on taking down NOED a notch or two.
decisive doesn't need nerfed. all they need to do is implement a script for every x amount of survivors running ds the gens take x amount longer to repair etc. decisive can be countered by enduring, which is ez to do, just select enduring. countering noed however is all situational. sometimes u cant go after totems hardly at all during them game if you're against a killer with good map control. cleansing during the endgame is another story and its all rng. countering decisive has no rng involved whatsoever. run enduring. thats what people don't understand. it takes no skill etc to counter ds. run enduring. finding the totems on the other hand, has its own little rng and it completely depends on how u, your team and the killer is playing. can't cleanse totems if you're being chased, being forced into altruism (yes this is possible sometimes your whole team dies with more than 3 gens left) etc.
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Enduring would be a soft counter, not a counter.
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@Orion said:
Taking a hit is supposed to be a risk for you. Why are you upset that you had to endure the risk?There's a difference in knowing you would survive the hit and still be able to make it to the exit and just straight up being downed without realizing it would happen.
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So you only want to take a hit if there's no risk, even though the action is supposed to be risky. What a surprise.
EDIT: I'd like to point out that your reaction says a lot about the balance of the game. You are literally complaining that taking a hit isn't safe.Post edited by Orion on6 -
So in 2018 survivor still complain about a weak perk?
The killer plays basically all match with a perk without any effect until the last gen is done.
And if the survivor refused to do dull totems, the effect will trigger.
And worse of all, the effect can still get destroyed before anyone got hit, by destroying the shinning beacon called a hex.
Just last patch Noed was nerfed, but still survivor wnat it completely gutted again.
DS is still a meta perk, but Noed needs to get nerfed… totally Gotcha.^^4 -
@Orion said:
So you only want to take a hit if there's no risk, even though the action is supposed to be risky. What a surprise.
EDIT: I'd like to point out that your reaction says a lot about the balance of the game. You are literally complaining that taking a hit isn't safe.It's a calculated decision to let yourself take a hit for a teammate in order to make sure another player survives. If the killer has NOED and I go down for it, so be it. It's not rocket science to figure yeah a survivor would probably do that if they think they can take another hit.
I'm not being all "boo hoo crybaby" about dying for a teammate, I've attained my goal even if I died for it. The game has a system of being injured before you go into the dying state, healthy survivors use this knowledge to take hits for injured teammates. Sorry if my "reaction" made you feel upset about the balance but that's just how the cookie crumbles.
I'm just saying the OP has the point that NOED is the only instance where a status effect is applied on survivors without any indication, except the first exposed hit from Devour Hope (?). I play both on the side of survivors and killers in this game, I'm not being partial to either side by saying a survivor should know that they're exposed. It works in the killers' favor too if survivors see the exposed status and think to themselves they should just GTFO instead of trying something stupid.
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Survivor are so spoon fed now that they ask for more.
The exposed notification was a bullcrap idea in the first place.
If survivor are to oblivious to figure it out by themself they shouldn't get a notification to make up for being bad.
But now the survivor are so used to getting lead by the hand, that they want to know in advance and think it is justified and still see themself as "skillful".4 -
@Strider said:
@Orion said:
So you only want to take a hit if there's no risk, even though the action is supposed to be risky. What a surprise.
EDIT: I'd like to point out that your reaction says a lot about the balance of the game. You are literally complaining that taking a hit isn't safe.It's a calculated decision to let yourself take a hit for a teammate in order to make sure another player survives. If the killer has NOED and I go down for it, so be it. It's not rocket science to figure yeah a survivor would probably do that if they think they can take another hit.
I'm not being all "boo hoo crybaby" about dying for a teammate, I've attained my goal even if I died for it. The game has a system of being injured before you go into the dying state, healthy survivors use this knowledge to take hits for injured teammates. Sorry if my "reaction" made you feel upset about the balance but that's just how the cookie crumbles.
I'm just saying the OP has the point that NOED is the only instance where a status effect is applied on survivors without any indication, except the first exposed hit from Devour Hope (?). I play both on the side of survivors and killers in this game, I'm not being partial to either side by saying a survivor should know that they're exposed. It works in the killers' favor too if survivors see the exposed status and think to themselves they should just GTFO instead of trying something stupid.
Well, you miscalculated. It's your problem; you don't need more hand-holding.
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the comparison between NOED and DS is laughable.
NOES has the potential to down multiple victims right at the end of the game...
where as DS has the potential to save ONE survivor ONCE...
I really couldn't care less about either perk, but I find the incessant whining from killers to be hilarious.
DS is gamebreaking but camping is a legit strat. xD4 -
Yeah its laughable, noed canbe prevented before it ever happen (happened several games, people are starting to clean more, no only me) and can be counteredAvariku said:the comparison between NOED and DS is laughable.
NOES has the potential to down multiple victims right at the end of the game...
where as DS has the potential to save ONE survivor ONCE...
I really couldn't care less about either perk, but I find the incessant whining from killers to be hilarious.
DS is gamebreaking but camping is a legit strat. xD
DS, especially no obsession one, can be less of an issue if you run enduring, and even that won't matter if the survivor have half of a brain cell and go to the nearest loop.
So yeah, the comparison is laughable. Just the fact you think camping isn't okay I can imagine which side you only play
Even a bad chaser like me (or evader?) Can survive against tunneling and camping just by using stealth. Anybody can, like anybody can take 20s to have extra bp and prevent akiller perk3 -
to be honest I prefer to play killer, and I refuse to camp unless someone is being a salty/trolly little twat... then and only then will I camp.Malakir said:
Yeah its laughable, noed canbe prevented before it ever happen (happened several games, people are starting to clean more, no only me) and can be counteredAvariku said:the comparison between NOED and DS is laughable.
NOES has the potential to down multiple victims right at the end of the game...
where as DS has the potential to save ONE survivor ONCE...
I really couldn't care less about either perk, but I find the incessant whining from killers to be hilarious.
DS is gamebreaking but camping is a legit strat. xD
DS, especially no obsession one, can be less of an issue if you run enduring, and even that won't matter if the survivor have half of a brain cell and go to the nearest loop.
So yeah, the comparison is laughable. Just the fact you think camping isn't okay I can imagine which side you only play
Even a bad chaser like me (or evader?) Can survive against tunneling and camping just by using stealth. Anybody can, like anybody can take 20s to have extra bp and prevent akiller perk
unfortunately, since I hate waiting 5-15 minutes just to find a game, I end up playing survivor so that I can get more than 2-3 rounds a night after work.
its what bugs me... I have NO issue getting kills as killer without resorting to camping, or many of the more "supposedly unfair" perks, and yet I'm constantly reading about how the game is stacked so unfavorably against killers.
yet for me, a stealthy survivor, thats my ONLY defense against the ridiculous number of campers. don't get caught, even once, or its game over.1 -
Oh I love those sweet little … stories.
All the player telling me they never camp, never tunnel, don't use meta perks, don't use Moris and get 4K anyway at rank 1.5 -
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.
I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old.
You don’t need a free insta-down if all the gens were done because YOU didn’t have good gen control and you don’t need a free escape if you were downed because YOU couldn’t lose the killer. Simple as that. Disagree if you want but it is my stance.
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@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?4 -
@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old.
@Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?Well balanced enough for you to want to put it in the killers base kit? Sure...whatever you say.
It’s barely a horror game, there is no element of suprise and when you get hit with NOED it isn’t a genuine scare factor. It’s more like “Oh...okay, that just happened for the eighth time tonight.”
I said what I said, I meant what I said and you heard what I said. My stance on NOED and DS has not changed and it probably never will.
The game isn’t balanced on either side. It is PVP, this will never EVER be a true horror experience simply because it is PVP and you can’t have the killers side be incredibly powerful as if it was an AI.
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@Wolf74Wolf74 said:Oh I love those sweet little … stories.
All the player telling me they never camp, never tunnel, don't use meta perks, don't use Moris and get 4K anyway at rank 1.
I don't really need moris nor to tunnel/camp to get 4K at rank 1. Maybe not always but 3K can be fairly easy to achieve.
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you forgot something. 1 its asymmetrical or should be 2 noed is an hexMegMain98 said:@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old.
@Wolf74 said:
@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?Well balanced enough for you to want to put it in the killers base kit? Sure...whatever you say.
It’s barely a horror game, there is no element of suprise and when you get hit with NOED it isn’t a genuine scare factor. It’s more like “Oh...okay, that just happened for the eighth time tonight.”
I said what I said, I meant what I said and you heard what I said. My stance on NOED and DS has not changed and it probably never will.
The game isn’t balanced on either side. It is PVP, this will never EVER be a true horror experience simply because it is PVP and you can’t have the killers side be incredibly powerful as if it was an AI.
the second point invalidates your ds noed comparison. Just imagine hex totems doesn't exist, in that case I would agree1 -
@Malakir said:
MegMain98 said:@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.
I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old. @Wolf74 said: @MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.
So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?
Well balanced enough for you to want to put it in the killers base kit? Sure...whatever you say.
It’s barely a horror game, there is no element of suprise and when you get hit with NOED it isn’t a genuine scare factor. It’s more like “Oh...okay, that just happened for the eighth time tonight.”
I said what I said, I meant what I said and you heard what I said. My stance on NOED and DS has not changed and it probably never will.
The game isn’t balanced on either side. It is PVP, this will never EVER be a true horror experience simply because it is PVP and you can’t have the killers side be incredibly powerful as if it was an AI.
you forgot something. 1 its asymmetrical or should be 2 noed is an hex
the second point invalidates your ds noed comparison. Just imagine hex totems doesn't exist, in that case I would agree
Yes it is asymmetrical and the killer SHOULD have the power role but the killer can’t be untouchable. In a PvP game it’ll never be a true horror game. If they added a single player game mode then maybe it would but I doubt that will happen. I don’t really consider DBD to be a horror game to begin with. I put in it the same boat that I do F13, but extremely great party games to play with friends but when you play it alone you get drained out quickly especially if you take the game too seriously.
Some perks would be way overpowered without it being a hex unless you had competent teammates. Ruin and Devor Hope come to mind easily. Matches would end with five generators left and a four man mori.
It’s just getting old that people are still arguing over DS and NOED. Just saying if they were both gone there would be no complaining. Although killers can’t do without their precious little insta-downs. I would say the same with survivors not being able to do without their free escapes but I don’t see many people stick up for DS nor do I run into it a lot as killer but 80% of the time killers have NOED. It gives bad killers a kill because when there is four survivors left and you insta-down one of them, why would you go and chase the other three? There isn’t any point, you won’t get a four man. The killer killed that ONE person due to an insta-down and that is how MOST of the time NOED works. DS gives bad survivors a free escape. Both perks makes up for the players mistakes.
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@scumrrado said:
It really sucks when you've won the entire match and body a hit for a hurt survivor only to get surprised with NOED.This is your problem right here, you assumed you won. You didn't win, you almost won. You helped your teammate by taking a risk (knowing NOED and other end-game perks are a potential threat) and that risk did not pay off. It happens, learn from your mistakes and move on.
I'm not even defending NOED here, I'm just pointing out bad plays by you.
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still people can't understand noed works by survivor mistakes to no cleanse totems. I've lost count of matches where noed didn't worked when practicing nurse. DS just rewards a mistake and cannot be preventing kicking an objectiveMegMain98 said:@Malakir said:
MegMain98 said:@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.
I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old. @Wolf74 said: @MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.
So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?
Well balanced enough for you to want to put it in the killers base kit? Sure...whatever you say.
It’s barely a horror game, there is no element of suprise and when you get hit with NOED it isn’t a genuine scare factor. It’s more like “Oh...okay, that just happened for the eighth time tonight.”
I said what I said, I meant what I said and you heard what I said. My stance on NOED and DS has not changed and it probably never will.
The game isn’t balanced on either side. It is PVP, this will never EVER be a true horror experience simply because it is PVP and you can’t have the killers side be incredibly powerful as if it was an AI.
you forgot something. 1 its asymmetrical or should be 2 noed is an hex
the second point invalidates your ds noed comparison. Just imagine hex totems doesn't exist, in that case I would agree
Yes it is asymmetrical and the killer SHOULD have the power role but the killer can’t be untouchable. In a PvP game it’ll never be a true horror game. If they added a single player game mode then maybe it would but I doubt that will happen. I don’t really consider DBD to be a horror game to begin with. I put in it the same boat that I do F13, but extremely great party games to play with friends but when you play it alone you get drained out quickly especially if you take the game too seriously.
Some perks would be way overpowered without it being a hex unless you had competent teammates. Ruin and Devor Hope come to mind easily. Matches would end with five generators left and a four man mori.
It’s just getting old that people are still arguing over DS and NOED. Just saying if they were both gone there would be no complaining. Although killers can’t do without their precious little insta-downs. I would say the same with survivors not being able to do without their free escapes but I don’t see many people stick up for DS nor do I run into it a lot as killer but 80% of the time killers have NOED. It gives bad killers a kill because when there is four survivors left and you insta-down one of them, why would you go and chase the other three? There isn’t any point, you won’t get a four man. The killer killed that ONE person due to an insta-down and that is how MOST of the time NOED works. DS gives bad survivors a free escape. Both perks makes up for the players mistakes.
I always do around 2-3 totems per march and if my mates do the same(lately more often) noed don't even proc.
"It gives a bad killers kills" maybe you should phase it like, punish lazy survivors who just wanna genrush when totems grants bp and boldness. Like, it even gives you points and you still cry about noed when its you fault you won't adapt
I know its a weird word but seriously, adapt. Noed is more frequent? Instead of ignoring totems just cleanse if you see some. Noed is the last perk I have a problems with as survivor and it actually bothers me that people like you cry about it, you know why? Because you guys are the kind of people who won't cleans them when you are in my team, then cry about it.
This sentence really nothers me for these reasons: "Both perks makes up for the players mistakes"
Which is a lie to have an excuse to don't adapt and press one button to 1) prevent a perk 2) free bp 3) free bold points1 -
Malakir said:
still people can't understand noed works by survivor mistakes to no cleanse totems. I've lost count of matches where noed didn't worked when practicing nurse. DS just rewards a mistake and cannot be preventing kicking an objectiveMegMain98 said:@Malakir said:
MegMain98 said:@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.
I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old. @Wolf74 said: @MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.
So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?
Well balanced enough for you to want to put it in the killers base kit? Sure...whatever you say.
It’s barely a horror game, there is no element of suprise and when you get hit with NOED it isn’t a genuine scare factor. It’s more like “Oh...okay, that just happened for the eighth time tonight.”
I said what I said, I meant what I said and you heard what I said. My stance on NOED and DS has not changed and it probably never will.
The game isn’t balanced on either side. It is PVP, this will never EVER be a true horror experience simply because it is PVP and you can’t have the killers side be incredibly powerful as if it was an AI.
you forgot something. 1 its asymmetrical or should be 2 noed is an hex
the second point invalidates your ds noed comparison. Just imagine hex totems doesn't exist, in that case I would agree
Yes it is asymmetrical and the killer SHOULD have the power role but the killer can’t be untouchable. In a PvP game it’ll never be a true horror game. If they added a single player game mode then maybe it would but I doubt that will happen. I don’t really consider DBD to be a horror game to begin with. I put in it the same boat that I do F13, but extremely great party games to play with friends but when you play it alone you get drained out quickly especially if you take the game too seriously.
Some perks would be way overpowered without it being a hex unless you had competent teammates. Ruin and Devor Hope come to mind easily. Matches would end with five generators left and a four man mori.
It’s just getting old that people are still arguing over DS and NOED. Just saying if they were both gone there would be no complaining. Although killers can’t do without their precious little insta-downs. I would say the same with survivors not being able to do without their free escapes but I don’t see many people stick up for DS nor do I run into it a lot as killer but 80% of the time killers have NOED. It gives bad killers a kill because when there is four survivors left and you insta-down one of them, why would you go and chase the other three? There isn’t any point, you won’t get a four man. The killer killed that ONE person due to an insta-down and that is how MOST of the time NOED works. DS gives bad survivors a free escape. Both perks makes up for the players mistakes.
I always do around 2-3 totems per march and if my mates do the same(lately more often) noed don't even proc.
"It gives a bad killers kills" maybe you should phase it like, punish lazy survivors who just wanna genrush when totems grants bp and boldness. Like, it even gives you points and you still cry about noed when its you fault you won't adapt
I know its a weird word but seriously, adapt. Noed is more frequent? Instead of ignoring totems just cleanse if you see some. Noed is the last perk I have a problems with as survivor and it actually bothers me that people like you cry about it, you know why? Because you guys are the kind of people who won't cleans them when you are in my team, then cry about it.
This sentence really nothers me for these reasons: "Both perks makes up for the players mistakes"
Which is a lie to have an excuse to don't adapt and press one button to 1) prevent a perk 2) free bp 3) free bold points
"free bp" as if ignoring gens to work on totems isn't a terrible idea anyway with the current strategy of camping being prevalent.
even without camping this puts the survivors at a slight disadvantage and potentially wastes time that isn't needed.
but DS which is a ONE TIME USE skill is somehow overpowered?
personally I don't care about either perk, I'll adjust to them as I need... but to hear the killer/survivor mains whining over their respective sides is ridiculous and the comparison between the two perks is annoying.
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first, since when camping is prevalent? Unless you are around rank 20-12 you won't find many campers at all. At least for my experience, never saw it. Just once at rank 6 but that guy got 8k bp, maybe that survivor owned him money, idkAvariku said:Malakir said:
still people can't understand noed works by survivor mistakes to no cleanse totems. I've lost count of matches where noed didn't worked when practicing nurse. DS just rewards a mistake and cannot be preventing kicking an objectiveMegMain98 said:@Malakir said:
MegMain98 said:@MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely. NOED would be removed before DS since DS directly ties into the “Adept Laurie” achievement so in all reality it isn’t going anywhere.
I just wish both perks were gone from the game. I don’t personally have a problem with either of them despite people calling them “crutch perks” but all this crybaby nonsense from both sides about DS and NOED is getting a little bit old. @Wolf74 said: @MegMain98 said:
There wouldn’t be all this whining and complaining from BOTH sides if DS and NOED were both removed entirely.
So you want to put a well balanced perk like Noed in the same level as a frickin broken thing like DS?
Gotcha.
Screw balance, screw logic … survivor need to be protected from nasty surprises, because it's a horror game and that could scare them … #########?
Well balanced enough for you to want to put it in the killers base kit? Sure...whatever you say.
It’s barely a horror game, there is no element of suprise and when you get hit with NOED it isn’t a genuine scare factor. It’s more like “Oh...okay, that just happened for the eighth time tonight.”
I said what I said, I meant what I said and you heard what I said. My stance on NOED and DS has not changed and it probably never will.
The game isn’t balanced on either side. It is PVP, this will never EVER be a true horror experience simply because it is PVP and you can’t have the killers side be incredibly powerful as if it was an AI.
you forgot something. 1 its asymmetrical or should be 2 noed is an hex
the second point invalidates your ds noed comparison. Just imagine hex totems doesn't exist, in that case I would agree
Yes it is asymmetrical and the killer SHOULD have the power role but the killer can’t be untouchable. In a PvP game it’ll never be a true horror game. If they added a single player game mode then maybe it would but I doubt that will happen. I don’t really consider DBD to be a horror game to begin with. I put in it the same boat that I do F13, but extremely great party games to play with friends but when you play it alone you get drained out quickly especially if you take the game too seriously.
Some perks would be way overpowered without it being a hex unless you had competent teammates. Ruin and Devor Hope come to mind easily. Matches would end with five generators left and a four man mori.
It’s just getting old that people are still arguing over DS and NOED. Just saying if they were both gone there would be no complaining. Although killers can’t do without their precious little insta-downs. I would say the same with survivors not being able to do without their free escapes but I don’t see many people stick up for DS nor do I run into it a lot as killer but 80% of the time killers have NOED. It gives bad killers a kill because when there is four survivors left and you insta-down one of them, why would you go and chase the other three? There isn’t any point, you won’t get a four man. The killer killed that ONE person due to an insta-down and that is how MOST of the time NOED works. DS gives bad survivors a free escape. Both perks makes up for the players mistakes.
I always do around 2-3 totems per march and if my mates do the same(lately more often) noed don't even proc.
"It gives a bad killers kills" maybe you should phase it like, punish lazy survivors who just wanna genrush when totems grants bp and boldness. Like, it even gives you points and you still cry about noed when its you fault you won't adapt
I know its a weird word but seriously, adapt. Noed is more frequent? Instead of ignoring totems just cleanse if you see some. Noed is the last perk I have a problems with as survivor and it actually bothers me that people like you cry about it, you know why? Because you guys are the kind of people who won't cleans them when you are in my team, then cry about it.
This sentence really nothers me for these reasons: "Both perks makes up for the players mistakes"
Which is a lie to have an excuse to don't adapt and press one button to 1) prevent a perk 2) free bp 3) free bold points
"free bp" as if ignoring gens to work on totems isn't a terrible idea anyway with the current strategy of camping being prevalent.
even without camping this puts the survivors at a slight disadvantage and potentially wastes time that isn't needed.
but DS which is a ONE TIME USE skill is somehow overpowered?
personally I don't care about either perk, I'll adjust to them as I need... but to hear the killer/survivor mains whining over their respective sides is ridiculous and the comparison between the two perks is annoying.
I'm with the others... remove both so the whining can stop.
I won't removed either, DS would be great if reworked. I gave even an idea time ago to make it a fun perk for both sides. I'd like to see it like a tool to survive but no like it is right now. Noed, same thing as I said, if you won't cleanse take the blame to yourself. 18s isn't such a big deal especially when people ask for other obj cuz the games are going too fast but ignoring totems (#########?)
I don't main either, i play both even if mostly survivor since its more relaxing and can watch videos while repairing. Just "wasted time that isn't needed", I know you might love gen rush but even if I hate repeat myself, Adapt!
If even a bad evader like me can survive and get rid of noed at the same time doing at least 2 gens per game, anybody can0
