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Why would people NOT want Springtrap to be added to DBD?
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Might not matter to you. Personally I'd be pretty disgusted if BHVR made a deal to give a lot of the playerbase's money to a person who actively supports removing the rights of people like me.
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... okay, let's expand #3. "Obtaining the license would be giving the money to someone who has given money that supports homophobia, therefore the license would in some capacity go towards supporting homophobia, particularly due to the rights being held by a single person".
Or, #3 is basically "it would support homophobia".
If you think that doesn't matter at all, then that's uh... not good? Also really not something BHVR presumably wants given one of their few permanent codes?
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I guess we can delete freddy too then.
To op: mostly hate towards the franchise.
Also a whole lot of people who don't want to feel old that don't realise that the child fandom of fnaf has already grown up. Those 12 year olds are turning 20 this year
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Wait... Now you made me want him. But that's just a theory!
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Dbd fans are toxic. We don’t need them in the FNAF fandom, no offense
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a GAME THEO-
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what the #########........
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Got any sources on that.
Cause it sounds to me you just made that up on the spot
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Because he would be the least identifiable licensed character in the game. No one but fans of the series know who he is. He isn't even the title character and doesn't even show up until multiple games in. Might as well bring in Doctor Wyn from Halloween, instead of Michael Myers.
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Remember that the age demographic is pretty young as it is
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He's a convicted pedophile how did I make that up
Salva pleaded guilty to lewd and lascivious conduct, oral sex with a person under 14, and procuring a child for pornography. He was sentenced to three years in state prison, of which he served 15 months.
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Why are trying to defend Victor Salva.The kid was under 14 which means most likely puts the age range 12,11,10,8
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They got some sick people in the industry.
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I don't really understand it either. One of the only big franchises left that should be in this game.
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What franchise ?
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always been, everything is corrupted
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Would love to see his head turn and turn trying to put dbd into the fnaf lore
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All your points are valid except number one out here are many fnaf fans that aren't cringe children. I just recently stumbelt over the lore of FNAF and that some nice stuff the games tho that's a whole different story
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Yeah it's all been if certain people have a position of power with no restraints, then most likely it will be abused,sometimes.
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Nvm, I'm an idiot
I thought you were talking about someone else
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Personally I dont want the franchise in because of how much its profits and creator has contributed to anti-lgbt activities.
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People who say this about other game fan bases when they play Dead By Daylight ...........................................................................................................................................................
.....right....
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For some reason people think its for children... so I guess 'It' is also for kids since the horror villain takes the form of a clown...
Some people also don't understand how time works, thinking all fandoms exist in a timeless vacuum where the fans never age. They don't realize 8 years have passed.
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Because he'd be boring as hell. The devs would have no idea what to do with him and he'll turn into a boring M1 Killer or a very unoriginal, boring antiloop Killer. Mark my words
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Because FNAF is not horror. It's lazy jump scares.
That's like saying those 'Look at the image and see what's wrong' screamer videos back in the early 2000's are horror because they flashed an image and blew out your speakers with a screech.
Jump scares are low-effort tripe that surprises people, so the creators can claim 'Muh game/movie is scary because LOUD NOISE! Who needs writing, pacing, or atmosphere!? I'm gud horror master! 🤪"
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People talking about fandoms need to realise that the DBD fandom has it's fair share of 'cringe'
A whole lot of it, actually
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I haven't really seen anyone calling for Springtrap not to be added.
Who is saying this?
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This guy AnAvengingAngel makes a pretty good point, he stumbles a bit in the video but. I do understand him.
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Yes, congratulations. You are in a society where you have the privilege to not care about the attempts to destroy human rights for minority groups because you are part of the majority.
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This part actually amuses me, although I 100% support it. But, looking at it from other angles, how much "discrimination support" does DbD already have in it?
Slasher flicks, which DbD initially emulated, were solely based on having some form of killer, human or other, chasing a bunch of teenagers/college kids around trying to kill them for a specific reason. All of the earlier Slasher films used nudity as a form of advertisement, more specifically female nudity. You almost never saw a nude male in any of them, but you could easily see most of the female cast nude at one point or another, generally engaging in sexual acts in a position to best show off their body.
Friday the 13th the story is based around college kids having sex while Jason dies in a pond, Nightmare on Elm Street (the real version) has that fantastic scene where the girl is dragged up the walls onto the ceiling while Freddy shreds her, Hellraiser could be considered softcore porn simply for its basis, the beauty/pleasure of pain, even the more niche titles like Puppetmaster or Phantasm had their share of nudity and what some people like to call objectification.
Look at all the "Scream Queens" from the prime era of Slasher flicks, the 70s - 90s. They would get top billing, and the movie posters would make damn sure to exaggerate or focus on them in some way to make them more appealing, and sexualized, to draw that male audience. Hell, for the older people on the Forums, you might remember Joe Bob Briggs Drive-In where he rated horror flicks, and other films, based on the 3 B's: Bodies, Beasts, and Breasts. This was all incorporated into every Slasher film because sex sells, no matter what anyone wants you to think.
Discrimination should be actively fought against, but it shouldn't be the sole reason for the exclusion of a franchise into DbD. People are allowed to have opinions that others don't share. If everyone was the same, this world would be boring AF. It's when people can't look past something, and get completely focused on it to the exclusion of everything else, that discrimination really happens.
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I hope you are not seriously trying to argue that a bit of nudity is equivalent to people voting for and donating large sums of money to politicians that try and actively fight to destroy human rights for minority groups. “I think these people don’t deserve any human rights” which is what the politicians he supported are literally fighting for is not an acceptable opinion. There is nothing wrong with nudity inherently. It is a natural part of existence. Obviously, kids should not be able to look at pornography.
That is not comparable in the slightest to “I will support someone that fights for removing human rights from others.”
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Actually, yes. Isn't Objectification and Discrimination based on gender a thing anymore? Or has that already been tossed into the ashpile of forgotten narratives?
As I said though, just because someone supports one group or another is no reason for something to be excluded from DbD. If that were the case, should we be including anything from countries that have a history of human rights abuses and other such behavior?
Politics don't belong in video games. At all. Leave that to the TwitTwat crowd and their baying for someone's soul because they said they liked Harry Potter. Everyone is entitled to their own views and opinions. Freedom works both ways.
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- You just described DBD fanbase.
- We have Trickster and Legion ffs.
- Not gonna argue that one.
- Again, look at Legion’s bunny skins and Clown chicken skin. Who tf cares?
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About 3 from what I know th Fnaf series is at the hands of someone else isn't it?
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Um, no. Objectification and misogynistic discrimination is still an issue. But you know what the important difference is? Movies aren’t the ones making laws even if they can influence them. The politicians are. They are not even remotely comparable. Without movies like that, you’d still have anti-women politicians. Without politicians like that, you wouldn’t have people in positions of legal power pushing for anti-women laws.
Okay, so you are unironically trying to argue that “I don’t support these people having human rights” is just a difference of opinion. The amount of privilege you have to dismiss the fight for human rights as just “politics” is disgusting. Also I hope this means you have the moral consistency to think games like Fallout/Gears of War/Civilization/Age of Empires/Bioshock/Wolfenstein/etc all shouldn’t exist. Politics is an innate part of life. Games reflect aspects of life. Politics in games has been a thing since ever.
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Yes but Scott would get royalties from any such deal.
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Never seen anyone try to tell me DBD is the greatest horror game ever made or one of the greatest games of the past 10 years. I have FNAF fans telling me FNAF is, though. Which probably irritates people due to FNAF being lower effort than Newgrounds games from 07. It boils down to basically being a still image with a series of simon says/qte like events occuring. If you miss one, the game then pauses to load jumpscare.mp4 That's it. That's the whole game when you boil it down. Still background images that you can go through with security cameras, some QTE like events you must do or lose, and then the game playing a jumpscare video file when you fail.
Kind of annoys people when you have a ton of people telling you THAT is one of the greatest horror games ever. Borders on offensive, even, if you really like the genre. Hey you know what is an infinitely better horror game from the past decade, that was also made by like one guy? Phasmophobia. And it actually has gameplay besides "DO THIS OR A JUMPSCARE PLAYS AHHHH." I probably wouldn't get annoyed if I didn't genuinely have lots of people telling me these low effort games are deserving of awards and such. You can like something while admitting it's not a great example of quality in its medium.
Granted some of the later games such as security breach actually have effort put into them. Enough I can consider them an actual game and not a newgrounds tier flash.
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I agree on FNaF being a jumpscare simulator a lot of the time, but you did not just call SB a "game". That "thing" has about the same amount of bugs and glitches Cyberpunk had on release, has no lore in a lore driven series, gameplay is just fetch quests and the "main villain" of the game appears thrice in the whole "game", while shoehorning an already dead villain for no reason other than fan service which no one actually wanted, seeing as he died about 5 games ago
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I can add to this as well. People in Phasmophobia commenting at least once a week 'OMG! You should do FNAF jumpscares because FNAF!' Every week, another 'Add jumpscares because FNAAFFFFFF!' post has made me hate the FNAF crowd.
Then again, there's also the 'You should be able to play as the ghosts, like in DBD' crowd, too. It like some people see a game and go 'How can I stuff my favorite game into THIS game like a fetid corpse in an animatronic?'
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It's a game in terms of it actually looks like a game and seems to have more effort in it than still images and video files being played. It looks like they actually modeled things, you know? And did more than make some badly done 3D characters in an extremely outdated version of blender. I can't say anything about how good the game is. I am saying it looks closer to an actual game you'd see in a store, rather than a game that you'd see on newgrounds.
Like it could be awful. But it sure looks like it took a lot more effort than FNAF1, even if it sucks. Was all I really meant.
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I'm terms of effort, maybe. I might be wrong on this but every 2D FNaF game had 3D models rendered in 2D (if that makes sense) so there was still some modeling taking place. In terms of gameplay? Not even close
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I just want pennywise, when it's added I don't care if they put your teddy bears in the game
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Gosh, can't say anything about uh..."minority" people without getting backlash, I'm sorry, but it's not that i don't care about LGBTQ uh...IA? people, i just look at gameplay stuff, like "oh springtrap would be cool to have" or "no, that would be a terrible killer" it's not that i meant it to sound rude, i just think stuff like that feels irrelevant to me because I just want things added to the game, i hope you guys can sorta see where I'm coming from
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Because that's another chapter that gets in the way of me and my Xenomorph. . .
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Yeah, that's the privilege I was talking about. "Gosh, can't say anything about uh... "minority" people without getting backlash" Wow, I wonder why people don't take kindly to "I'm okay with people that think LGBT+ people shouldn't get human rights." You're not the one with your human rights repeatedly questioned and threatened by anti-LGBT politicians that try to fight for removing every single thing they can. Also it's disingenuous to act like the creator is completely separate from the work they make when the creator would be the one getting paid for something like a DBD collab chapter. Yes, someone else owns FNAF currently. Yes, Scott would still get royalties. And given he's previously donated thousands upon thousands of dollars to politicians like that, it is pretty damn reasonable to not want to give him more money to do that again with.
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I just find him nostalgic and find his lore interesting.
Got into fnaf in middle school and been out of High school now for a couple of years.
Also pretty sure the art team would do a fantastic job of making his design gory and unsettling with dried up blood and guts hanging out.
Not like there are not kids already playing this game so no harm if Springtrap ever gets in DBD.
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I don't care either way I like FNAF story and it can get scary new game pretty good.
btw they kids already play this game also all FNAF fans now are in they 20s now.
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- Fnaf community has a bad reputation (not like the DBD community is that much better)
- some people want other licenses to get in the game first
- the license is filled with outrage culture landmines
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Yes, "outrage culture landmines" like "Man, I wish the creator did not vote for and donate thousands of dollars to politicians that explicitly promised to fight to tear away LGBT+ human rights."
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To summarise the gameplay reasons that have been posted once again, though:
- It offers zero interesting mechanical hooks. There are no interesting patterns of behaviour from the source material to exploit, or explicit powers to deal with. "Undead haunted animatronic" is a description, not an ability. Even Myers had more to work with than that, creepy stalker that he is.
- "Literally who". It's Saw all over again with even less recognisability (at least Jigsaw's on the boxes). It's adding a character that's only known by people who already know the series, which is awful for hype.
- Adding something from another game means outright going against its established gameplay. Corollary to point 1, but the whole "generally they stand still and only start moving when not looked at" thing is kiiiiind of a terrible fit for DBD. Unless the proposal is Insidious camping and oh boy.
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