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My Pig ticket was answered recently...
Here's the answer in case anyone was wondering.
Question was regarding Video Tape + Rule #2 and blocking a box indefinitely.
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So Pig isn't going to get nerfed again? Awesome
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Well that sucks
Does it count as being afk though? Which, you know, also bannable?
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I knew they would say something similar to this as it's basically a more boring version of 50/50 pig that gets rid of the "tunneling"
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I mean, that much was obvious. A stalemate is not the same as holding the game hostage
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Niceu.
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That’s not what the response says. It says people won’t be banned for blocking the boxes. It doesn’t say whether or not they think that’s a gameplay issue that should be addressed. (As an analogy, they didn’t ban people running to the second story of buildings with Boil Over but they did nerf the boost survivors get from it when the killer drops from a height.)
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I mean this current meme strat is just 50/50 pig with more traps and no chasing involved
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Inb4 lots of nerf pig comments comin' right up.
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Nobody said that. Pig will naturally be nerf whenever possible.
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There are four boxes. The addons that reduced boxes was removed awhile back.
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Techincally they aren't wrong, the game CAN end.
It's just you know, one survivor has a 0% chance of escaping when the match starts and you can be forced into a stalemate
I guess they consider this a balance issue?
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I know they were I'm just pointing out how you block a box like 50/50 pig which is why I call it a boring 50/50 pig as it removes the chase and it takes longer for things to happen
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I got curious on the math and the breakdown is
0 kills - 32%
1 kill - 42%
2 kills - 21%
3 kills - 4.6%
4 kills - 0.4%
Average 1 kill
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0% ? Thats not how it works. I remember one Video tape game, me and Felix spawned together and both removed our traps from the first box we get to. And it was the same box for both of us.
Dunno how exactly her RNG works but its not that every box contains key. At least not every time
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No but mathmatically speaking the pig is more likely than not to block the box of one survivor. The fact she can block the box of more than one survivor is less likely but it can still happen
Meaning in those trials, a survivor or survivor(s) have a 100% guarantee to die because the pig decided to not play the game. That's not healthy for the game at all regardless of how rare or infrequent it might be
Loading into a match and basically being dead from the start isn't okay, imo.
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Please explain. It's pure random which box has your key. There are still 3 boxes that they can get a key out of. All 4 could get there key out the same box if luck on their side. To my knowledge devs have never said there is a key in each box come to think that would make no sense and be a huge nerf to her if it was. Hey guys I got my key so you don't have to check this box. AFK Pig guarantees nothing for the killer.
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I've posted an explanation above, apologies
I should've worded it better
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Oh that's not it. I was typing when you put it up and had not seen it yet. I get you now.
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Yeah, here's the RNG math for keys being in that 1 box.
There is a 1/4 chance for any specific key to be in a specific box, there are 4 possible boxes, creating a total of 256 possible key combinations. So there is a 1/256 chance for all keys to be in 1 box. You can effectively 99 gens since the killer is blocking the box and Ruin can be gone, meaning you have all the time to get rid of hats you can get rid off, and 99 5 gens fully before opening the gate. In 1 out of every 256 games, yeah, there is no chance, of any survivors escaping, but that also requires the killer to have 256 addons/blackwards total to maybe have 1 game like that happen, IF the boxes were numbered. That is excluding the change of the killer blocking box 1 game 2 and box 6 game 1. So realistically, you would have to include that in the numbers too, decreasing that number even further to 1 in 1028 games that its gets success
So realistically, no, its' too RNG dependend. For the killer to have any benefit, the following needs to happen:
- pick the correct box with the most keys
- hope that survivors havent been able to check that box before you arrived(which is possible)
Having 2 or more keys in the same box is actually quite rare, which means 1 box would have guaranteed 0 keys, decreasing the chance of you blocking any box with a key in it.
So since 1 and 0 keys are more common picks, you'd simply get rid of ruin, 99 5 gens, get rid of remaining hats, and have 3 people escape the gates ASAP so the last person can go for the hatch.
It used to be possible with Old Amanda's Letter and Last Will to down 2 people, give them hats, and block 1 of the boxes and have a 25% chance of guaranteeing 2 kills and only 25% chance of having 0 kills. 25% double kill is much, much more effective than the miniscule 0.1% that this strategy has at a 4k.
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You are also assuming the following:
- people dont get rid of ruin
- people dont 99 gens
- people dont try to remove their hats before finishing the first gen
So even the average 1k would simply lead to people 99'ing gens, getting rid of masks when possible, then go for the exitgate ASAP and get out while the 4th person goes for the hatch.
Against any aware player, this is averagely a 0k, a 1k with 21%(1 survivor forcing death by running in the gate) and a 2k with 4.6%.
It's really not a viable strat. Having not even a single kill 79% of the time makes it simply laughable.
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I didn’t mean my comment to say how effective or ineffective the afk Pig is as a whole, I was just curious what the probability was they would get a kill assuming someone did one of the gens before all the hats were off.
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Which is why I consider it a meme strat
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What I would love to know now, if the survivors notice that the pig blocks the box where two or more survivors' keys are in, and the survivors try to avoid certain death of their teammates by ... just not popping any gens at all hoping that the pig sooner or later doesn't want to waste any more time and moves away from the box, is it the survivors who are holding the game hostage (since the pig according to the devs isn't) or is nobody holding the game hostage even though the game is not progressing at all, and if it is not hostage holding by anyone if the game does not come to an end for a long time, why did hatch standoffs need to be fixed?
Or do they really expect the survivors to kill themselves just to not get banned for holding the game hostage if the pig reports them in this situation?
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I mean the survivors can just get slugged if they want no one to get head popped it's best to entertain the pig imo as one of you isn't making it out unless luck is really hating the pig that match
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No, if the pig finally disconnects because she doesn't want to waste any more time, the survivors will all "escape", even if more than one had their box blocked. So the strategy to get out without any certain deaths if the pig blocks the "right" box of multiple survivors is to 99% gens and then do nothing until pig starts playing or disconnects ...
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But it was also confirmed just yesterday or the day before (by Mandy) that bodyblocking a single character in a way that they can't progress the game, even though the other 3 survivors could do gens and progress to the EGC, would be considered a bannable offense. It was added that you would need to do so for several minutes, not just a short amount of time.
But still, it seems that either a) they decided that the AFK pig is okay or b) this stuff is always decided by stomach feeling of the person who answers the ticket.
In practice I think that they are both pretty similar, ie one survivor can't progress the game due to the killer blocking off their ability to do so by positioning, while the rest of the team can easily finish. So it has a little whiff of arbitrary decision making to allow one while condemning the other of they are so similar; I'll admit though that with AFK Pigs tactic there is a non-zero chance that you could affect more then one survivor, up to a 4K tpk, no matter how unlikely.
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"But still, it seems that either a) they decided that the AFK pig is okay or b) this stuff is always decided by stomach feeling of the person who answers the ticket."
I cannot say anything to b), but for a), they did not say that. They indeed just said that you will not get banned.
Because, a Pig standing in front of a Box, does not really hold someone hostage. There is a difference between a Killer/Survivor blocking a Survivor in a corner and a Pig blocking one Box. The Survivor can still search other Boxes, do Gens or do Totems, the Survivor blocked in a Corner cannot do anything.
Not the most enjoyable game experience either way, but not holding someone hostage.
However, not banning does not mean they are ok with it. Worst case they nerf the Add-Ons to make it impossible to do that. And if this happens, I hope that the people who complain (and people will complain) focus their anger on those who used this "strategy", because they are the ones who might get those Add-Ons nerfed.
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I know what you mean, but the situations are similar enough.
I said it before, and I'll say it here again: the true tragedy of this situation is that Pig getting nerfed is a meme by now, a self-deprecating joke, but the people abusing this AFK Pig tactic (and please, don't try to split hairs about what is abuse and what's not) will get her nerfed again, this time for a legit reason.
And I guarantee you that the vast majority of these "lulz LMAO they die trying to boop my AFK snoot" peeps ain't Pig players at all, most won't have touched Pig in a year and only got her out because of the tome and that Youtube video detailing this tactic, and they will lose interest ib her again once this add-on is nerfed. This will leave the true Pig mains as the only victims of this nerf
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They absolutely can progress the game. They will just possibly die in doing so (not if there's only one Survivor being boxblocked, though). Not the same thing.
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Statistically, one survivor will die because their lies is in the blocked off box and they are sorta a dead man walking, because they will be on death timer once the first gen is done. If your key is in the garded box there is nothing you can do to avert this doom, but to wait out your timer or walk through the opened exit gates.
This is the "fun" part of the AFK Pig, ie getting literal kills while doing nothing and being AFK. If RNG is in your favor, you could also get more then one kill, if you roll extremely well, there might even be a 4K in it. And that's what is sitting wrong with me: bodyblocking one person is bannable, even if the other players could easily proceed the game towards the EGC, while the tactic that will on average kill 1 person automatically, and has a non-zero chance of causing and unavertable 4K, is not such an offense.
I know that this might be a bit of splitting hairs, but BHVR has always been about splitting hairs with their rulings about holding the game hostage, ie if you can proceed the game, no matter how slow and painful, no hostage situation is at hand. That's why this AFK Pig ruling surprised me.
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The dark age of pigs has come.
After all the nerfs and abuse she endured throughout the years, she finally snapped.
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every survivors have at least some percentage of chances to escape, hatch exists.
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In this case, it's not bannable because that one person can progress game to EGC.
escape or death, game is a game.
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Ah yes, I forgot about that one. Well yes, then AFK pig is fully legit with no problem at hand.
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To be fair the tome did get me to play her and now she's my favorite killer to play besides pre boon legion and bubba and I won't lie if 50/50 pig was still around I would do the one or 2 games of it "afk" pig is just boring
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And there is nothing wrong with that. A tome is always a great opportunity to revisit killers or survivors and their perks, that you neglected a bit.
But I got the feeling that its the poor Pig mains that will feel the brunt of the AFK Pig aftermath, when the real culprits drop her like she's hot, no pun intended.
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Oh I expect a ton of "Pig players" to drop her once this tome and meme strat dies down
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The difference is that the person can't play at all when they're bodyblocked, whereas they very much still can play (and possibly even escape) if the Pig is blocking the box
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The question isn't whether the game's being held hostage. It's not - you have the ability to die at any time. The question is whether BHVR considers it fair that survivors can load into the game omae wa mou shindeiru'd unless they're in a 4-stack and can coordinate without a rando mucking it up, and fair that a killer has a 68.3% chance of getting at least one kill by walking to a location and then tabbing out for fifteen minutes.
This doesn't really answer my question.
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Obligatory link to video
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Nice.
New Killer proposal, BTW ;D
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They can't really change this without butchering how Pig works entirely. We arfe just gonna have to deal with it. Besides, shes low tier abd hardly anyone really plays her anyway. Even then, not every Pig will do this
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Wait so then its literally impossible to hold the game hostage no matter what? Since if you're just holding one or two survivors hostage that doesn't matter since everyone else can still survive?
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Nah the difference is if I say body block you in a corner you can't participate in the game at all even worse if you are the last one and egc hasn't startet yet but the pig thing is you can do what you want you can do gens totems search boxes but you will most likely die at the end so the killer isn't holding you hostage if the game last 30 min because your swf refuses to do any gens cause you will die the survs are holding the game hostage in bhvr eyes. I understand that it's a bit frustrating that you are doomed to die but I my mind pig used her poor ability to the most extent
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You are getting WAY ahead of yourself there.
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You could make the same argument about Boil Over though.
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I mean a good ol slug to bleedout combo took care of most bo abusers hell i still do it to them as it's a pain to deal with on console
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You could still progress the game with Boil Over tho. They could all still die.
We still called it an exploit and it was changed.
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Because toxic survivors turned it nto one by going into spots where they know will make them unable to get hooked looks at rpd library and the small narrow areas of the swamp
Yes you could still progress through the game via a slug to bleedout which is what killers did and survivors complained about being bled out
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And their tears were the sweet ambrosia of the gods.
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