Onryo is OP! Come at me bro...
Ok, now that I have your attention! Let's get down to what this post is really about... Suggesting a change to her worst add-on, Remote Control, to make it "decent" or at least worthy of being an addon, especially one that is in the Ultra Rare category.
Gasp "A forum Poster bait and switched me?" YES DAMNIT! OTHERWISE YOU WERE COMPLETELY IGNORING THIS POST! I apologize, but at the same time, I feel I have a good idea here, and if you read on, you'll understand what I'm getting at.
Remote Control: Out of all of her add-on's, this is the worst and most useless. Not only does it require a survivor to be carrying a tape to reveal their aura to you, but they also have to be within 16 meters of a "POWERED" TV (yes, I and my friends proved it doesn't work for shut off TV's), AND, It only activates for 7 seconds when you teleport/project to a TV which can have you facing in any direction for the first 2 seconds or so, leaving it up to a coin toss of whether or not you actually see anyone's auras. In other words... the extreme amount of conditions for this to get any usage make it worthless to equip.
Here's my suggested Change:
A remote for the VCR at the cabin.
It allows Sadako to focus on those enemies at a distance.
- After using Projection, the Auras of Survivors with at least 1 stack of condemnation, who are within 16 metres of any TV (on or off), are revealed to you for 7 seconds.
- Reveals the Auras of Any survivor carrying a VHS tape indefinitely until the survivor(s) successfully copy the VHS Tape.
- Grants the Ability to kill Healthy or Injured Survivors while they are fully condemned and carrying a VHS Tape.
To me, this seems fine, as most survivors don't even carry a VHS Tape for more than 20 seconds at a time, and never even reach the fully condemned state, before they copy it and lower their stacks. The last part makes this add-on the same as Judith's Tombstone for Shape, except it's much harder to activate the Insta-kill since the survivors have to be fully condemned first, AND carrying a tape, which will still be a rare occurrence even with this suggested change. Of course the only change I made to the first part was granting Aura reveal to survivors with condemnation stacks near TV's when you project, but that alone would make it good enough for a Very Rare (purple) add-on, just not an Ultra Rare, which should be game or game-play changers in some way or another.
Anyone think this is an improvement that would make it worthy of the Ultra Rare status or at least better than it's current (read Useless) iteration?
Edit: alternative to
Remote Control:
Survivors Running within 16 meters of a powered down TV activate it ahead of it's normal cooldown time.
Survivors carrying a VHS Tape within 16 meters of any TV, Have their aura revealed to you until they leave its range.
When using Projection, Survivors within 16 meters of you receive 2 condemnation stacks.
Projection sounds and your Lullaby are silent.
Explanation: the devs have created the only "stealth" killer in the game that is so loud, and directionally audible, that to me she doesn't even qualify as a "Stealth killer". Based upon feedback, this idea/suggestion Not only gives Onryo more information via aura reading, it also gives her a better chance at building stacks of condemnation on survivors who refuse to pick up a tape, and makes her a more "stealthy" killer. It's still at the mercy of the inbuilt condemnation mechanics, and how its cleansed, but overall, I feel it's probably not as OP as it sounds or should be for an add-on at the UR level.
Edit 2:
Remote control:
Survivors with 3 stacks of condemnation can be killed by your hand and killer instinct reveals them every time they gain a stack of condemnation for 4 seconds.
TV's power back on 50% faster after using projection.
TV's powered off by survivors stay so for 50% more time.
Any survivor carrying a VHS tape removes a stack of condemnation, instead of gaining one, for every TV they turn off.
Your Lullaby, and Projection sounds are silent.
Basically, you can Kill anyone who has 3 condemned stacks, but they can remove any condemnation stacks just by holding onto a tape and shutting off TV's, but Carrying a VHS tape still gives them a condemned stack every 30 seconds until they eventually copy it to remove 3 stacks. In other words, you see every survivors position when they gain a stack of condemnation, If you manage to teleport next to a survivor and give them their third stack, you can kill them on their next down, but if they get a VHS tape, they can both delay your insta kill or remove your ability to kill them entirely by copying the tape. Adding in the bonus sound reduction to make her more stealthy only seems fair in this case, makes the game far more exciting for all players, and would definitely earn this add-on its UR status in my book.
I look forward to hearing your feedback on these ideas.
Comments
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COME AT ME BRO!
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This is trap, i will not come to you.
I know you trapped everywhere. Not trusting you.
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I'm not Hag or Trapper, But if their tactics can at least make people "stop and smell the roses", then I'm not against using them!
Read it, c'mon, you know you wanna... I'll be your best friend... Seriously, ask me a favor, and as long as I agree to your point on it, I'll promote it with you. (Devil on your shoulder voice) Come on, there's got to be some way, you and I, can reach an "understanding"...
EDIT: Wait... when Have I actually "Trapped" anyone in these forums before this post? TBH, I think this is my first attempt at it.
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I read anyway, looks good but aura reading is so strong at DbD. So revealing survivor's aura indefinitely looks broken.
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That isn't ever her worst Add-on. Videotape Copy takes that spot
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It only reveals the aura indefinitely as long as they are still holding onto a VHS tape... In all honesty, do you even know anyone who would hold onto one for longer than 20 seconds? even freaking noobs figure out how bad of an idea it is after their first 2 games against her. Otherwise it's only revealing the auras of those who have a condemnation stack and are within 16 meters of a TV. TO me, this doesn't seem broken.
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Damn! The bait worked...
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That's a meme/BP gain add-on, they're supposed to be bad! Almost all killers have them, they're annoying as hell to have in your blood webs, obviously more survivor favored as they purposely nerf your power, and the only reason anyone might use them is for the pathetic BP bonuses! Ultra-rare Perks, on the other hand, are supposed to give the killer a massive, and even game/game play changing advantages. SO yeah, it's NOT her worst perk, but the problem is that unlike VTC, which is by design /BAD, Remote Control is supposed to be one of her BEST!
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Just because it worked, doesn't mean it's a bad thing. C'mon, take off your shoes, sit down, look at what we have to offer, and enjoy yourself for a while...
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*blows up the generator and hides in the nearby bushes*
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Apparently, you didn't even read my suggested change... that's just awful. WTAF man. 😘
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If we're not counting meme Add-ons, then Rickety Pinwheel is her worst Add-on
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Nah I agree with what you posted, I just got the funpost in my head and had to make it. I don't know why Demogorgon lets you reveal all survivors while you're traveling and Sadako gets such a short aura reading with a bunch of if/or. Just because you see a survivor doesn't mean you can catch them.
I know Sadako just came out but while I really enjoy her, I think she could definitely use something in chase. I'd even say the remote control could be used to manually turn on a TV. It's a remote control. You know?
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OOOOOH, that's actually a good idea, one wherein if she walks within 16m of a powered down TV, or If a Survivor with a VHS tape does, it turns on! Man I wish I had thought of that BEFORE I made this post... you're brilliant!
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I must be tired cause I thought OP meant Original Poster and was highly confused.
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Sadako is as op as territorial imperative as a perk.
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Yes, you're Tired, because in the context OP meant "Over Powered" which I, as the "Original Poster" am not, but I can understand the confusion... wait... ummm... no I can't because that would mean that you either thought that the Onryo was posting this message on the forums (which TBH, would make for a fantastic breath of fresh air sequel to the original movie) or you though I am Sadako, the Onryo! In which case I'm flattered, but at the same time, just gonna say: 7 days
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Now, now: Territorial Imperative doesn't grant you the option to immediately teleport to the basement. Which, now that I think about it, It honestly should, even if the teleport takes 3 seconds to do, that's still at least 2 seconds behind when the survivor enters it, and could lead to some excellent plays on both sides an-* AHEM * I digress.
What, I guess, I'm pointing out is that she's actually better than the current iteration of Territorial Imperative... but not by much. If I were to compare her to a perk, it'd be Surge/Jolt: Too many requirements to get it to work, meager map pressure/rewards, not enough benefit, and above all... not at all universal to killer players who don't completely focus on it!
Sadly, not many people listen to me, support, or appreciate my ideas.
Sigh... to quote an old song, "I've tried so hard, and gone so far, but in the end, it doesn't even matter" (Linkin Park, In The End) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVTXPUF4Oz4
Ignore the video, listen to the lyrics, and tell me this doesn't apply to the current DBD Killer player mentality.
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I'd argue that the final effect is a bit much. An addon shouldn't change her that much (and people really dislike Tombstone Myers because of this. While it wouldn't be as good as tombstone, because condemned is still terrible, I'd much prefer basekit buffs than making her addon change her basekit in this way and that's the only way to ever make condemned a minor threat
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I agree Sadako has strong things going for her as well,such as completely denying bodyblocking and being short which helps a lot in some loops.
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I respect you on this (as well as a forum poster, and person), but can't agree with you that it's "a bit much", because unlike Shape, she has 2 other conditions to make it work: Fully condemned, and Carrying a VHS Tape. Ever since she was released live, I've only encountered a total of maybe 3 survivors that have become fully condemned, and surprise, if you read my "Ultimate strategy to defeat Onryo" Post:
https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/313948/the-ultimate-counter-to-the-onryo#latest
You'd know how abusable this aspect of her Condemnation power really is.
IN My Opinion, unless this part of her power is changed... like, at all in a way that makes it more of a threat that is no longer completely survivor controlled, then my suggested changes aren't going to make it broken in any way.
Buffs to her base kit? ugh... THAT is what the common-RARE quality add-ons are for, whereas the Very Rare are meant to super charge or introduce new ideas/aspects of a killers power, and the Ultra Rare should be Broken/OP, but not so much that they = an easy win against the decent-best survivors. I mean that's why they're Ultra Rare, that's their purpose, design, and intention... isn't it? Add-on's like Remote Control, in their current iteration don't even deserve this position and come across as laughably bad/condescending.
I like you, and don't want to argue with you too much, but considering the details of my side of the argument, and the overall weakness of this add-on, I honestly think I've just been a little too lenient in my suggested changes, don't you?
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I feel like we come from very different experiences with Sadako. I've actually been getting semi-consistent condemned kills provided I whack on Ring Drawing - it's shockingly effective at building condemned stacks fast, and if you can combo it with BBQ you can prevent them doing a tape for quite a while.
Which is probably why I'm not for the idea- because it happens quite a lot to me, that I can get condemned kills, so I don't really want it spiralling out of control (bc I could do a lot with that part of the addon)
I'd be more than happy with removing that final aspect and buffing that other two even further. Hell it even increases the range at which Survivors can be condemned to make it more of a threat idk. But I'd also just like some basekit changes too which make condemned actually kinda threatening (like making it take longer to put the tape into the TV so people can't do it mid chase, increasing speed boost out of manifesting, etc).
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In my experience, It only helps in the endgame when multiple teammates are trying to body block an injured survivor you're trying to down, and even then, only IF they aren't less than 1m away from them. Otherwise It doesn't help her at all when attempting a hook, nor does it help when pursuing an injured survivor running from a gen (as most other survivors not on in SWF or on VOIP won't go to help them).
Honestly to me, the only things she has that are strong are her potential map pressure (at a high time cost for using it), and her semi-phased state after manifesting (because she's the only "Stealth" and m1 ranged killer with a lullaby radius, and everything she does: every interaction, attack, vault, break or any usage of her power... is directionally audible to survivors) which can be used for some, albeit random, misdirection when used against survivors.
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I think the TVS shouldn't turn of after she teleports through them and only when the survivor shuts them down for 60 seconds.
Also they should remove her lullaby,I think this will be enough to make her a decent stealth killer that's not too oppresive.
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Fair point, how about, instead of increasing the range, survivors get 2 stacks of condemnation when within 16 meters of a TV she Projects to While they are carrying a VHS tape?
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Even without carrying the tape just double the condemned gain I'd love that.
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The lullaby is overkill... Seriously, if they intended her to be a "stealth killer" then why give survivors 24 meters of warning that she's in their area? FFS, I thought they actually learned from the horrible Ghost Face PTB debacle, wherein he had a 24 meter directionally audible "ghostly wind" sound while he was within his Night Shroud mode... That got torn to pieces by the community, and for damn good reason. It's such a shame that they are "bringing it back" with a new and licensed killer, with the only saving grace being that it's onmni-directional, when she should be every bit as terrifying as and unpredictable as her cinematic representation.
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Again, Fair Point. I believe that you and I are on the same page at least in regards to the fact that an Ultra Rare add-on should at least provide something that the survivors would consider OP, but not something that they can't work around.
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Nope, not even gonna give you the gratification of reading your post. Your title alone is enough to tell me you're just another entitled survivor main resorting to your go-to tactic of whining in order to make the game even more survivor sided than it already is. Onyro is Z tier at best, might as well just delete her from the game if you want to nerf her even more. Go back to Roblox LMAO baby survivor.
OK, now if I still have your attention, let me drop the sarcasm and actually talk about your idea. Yeah, the addon is just outstandingly bad and especially for an iri. Definitely agree with your first bullet point, its also how I thought it should function. The other two im undecided on, but at the very least it might actually make it worthy of being at its tier.
The question I want to know is why even bother making iri addons anymore. I thought they were supposed to either really strong or offer an alternate playstyle, possibly both. Seems the majority of them nowadays are neither.
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Well actually Sadako is actual- wait remote control? POWERED TVS... [Badword]ing laser sights?
In all honesty though I do like your change!
Side note to any one whom got baited. Op didn't masquerade...nor did they lie to get you too click...
They've just got afew TWIX's up they're sleeve...
(I'm so sorry I feel bad after that pun I'm not going to sign off this comment:()
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I beg your pardon... I don't have any (name/brand) candy up my sleeve!
All I've got up my sleeves is my arms, and TWiXT them, myself... I dunno why you'd think I'd have candy... it's weird. 😋
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The first 3 levels of add-on's, aside for the apparently mandatory brown "meme" add-on that gives bonus bp for putting up with it, seem to be devoted to enhancing the killers power by varying degrees. When It reaches the Very Rare (purple) level however, they either "super charge" an aspect of the killers power, or introduce some new uses for it. When it reaches the Ultra Rare Level however... that's when the gloves come off and survivors are made to "witness the power of this fully armed and operational battle station (read: killer)!" The UR level isn't meant to simply enhance the killers power further than they have already been, and instead open new uses for them, even in ways that can completely change the killers Current and expected play style.
While My suggestion doesn't quite do that, it still opens up the opportunity for it when paired with some of the other add-ons. All the while, it still comes off as pretty lame tbh, but at least not nearly as useless as it currently is. I feel sad That I took the "Baby step" route when making my suggestion, but because of how scared the devs have proven themselves to be when it comes to killers and their perks/add-ons... I felt my changes were at least something they could see as "reasonable".
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I have been bamboozled. But her addons do need work, though.
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That was a nice bait and switch.
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Gonna be that guy, but actually the purple ones are supposed to be the best of their kind. Pink add-ons are often power alterers that require the killer to play differently.
Yeah, some are practically more powerful versions of existing ones, like tuft of hair being the 4th step in Myers duration add-ons. But it still requires a lot more stalking, and even with the best stalking add-ons, it's a lot of time.
As for the aura reading, well, 5 seconds seems to be standard for add-ons, so the 2 seconds was added to work around the animation, giving you 2 seconds free aura reading extra while getting up. The aura reading should work with TV's regardless of their state. It's basically a free BBQ and Chili if anyone carries a VHS tape near any TV. That was the case on the PTB. But for now, run it with Mother's Comb to basically narrow down the location of survivors. On maps like Midwich it basically gives you free info on where survivors are at all times.
As for the meme add-on, well, it actually DOES help. I mean, how often do people get condemned enough through you teleporting to even get in danger? In fact, survivors getting condemned means they know you're nearby. Not getting the condemned means they won't know you're coming unless they have exact visual contact.
Think of Onryo as old Freddy with the ability to teleport to a gen, without the weakness that teleportation spots get permanently removed in the endgame. The add-on is fine in the right hands. It's this reason why it's pink in the first place. If you don't like using it or altering your playstyle to use it, then don't. It's not appearing often in the bloodweb anyway. The grey ones are the ones you should care about more as you can't really avoid them, so if you can't really use them either, are they even worth existing?
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We do kinda need a thought process like this at BHVR
But on the other hand... she's just as strong as Pig with Amada's secret (for the most part)
Actually having an addon that shows auras of Survivors getting or putting a Tape might help (IDK though)
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Bait and switch aside, I just wanted to open up conversation, make a suggestion to change something that's significantly underpowered for the level it's at, and get at least a few people to read it/debate me on it and my suggestions. It was a "dirty tactic", right up there with anything "Clickbait" oriented, but at the same time, I felt that if I didn't try for that, no one would give a damn. Sigh... such is the world we live in. I never outright meant to deceive anyone, I just meant to get attention... and sadly, Had to resort to this.
I'm not exactly ashamed of it, as it did give me some responses, but I do feel scummy for having to go down a peg in my integrity to accomplish these results, which in all honesty, while still valid, aren't what I wanted, but better than I would've had if I had simply been honest with the title.
Human nature sucks. We crave and pay more attention to the things that annoy or frustrate us, than we do over the things we inherently agree, or disagree with. I simply used that mentality as a ploy to get attention, and if you fell for it, I'm sorry, but at the same time, I'm happy that you actually took the time to read it. So... was I actually in the wrong regarding the title, here? Did the ends justify the means?
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Tbh most of the latest releases have been weak, dunno what's up with that
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me neither. BTW, I was right in the middle of editing the post for an Alternate Version of Remote Control to make it more viable, so please, I would like your thoughts on that suggestion if you have the time. 😃
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imo i think the whole like condemned system needs to be changed
As in let's say if a survivor reaches half condemned state, killer instinct would reveal them and on full they are exposed just so survivors actually do the tvs instead of not even caring and for the remote it should be :
Survivors spawn with tapes and already have half a bar of condemned which would put pressure on both survivors and killer to choose between which survivor she should follow, after making a copy u are cursed and cannot hear sadako come out of a tv for 60 seconds the further away you are from the tv u put the copy into, but also staying near that tv would alert the killer so you don't just camp it and wait out 60 seconds
I know that sound broken but again, its a red add-on it should be a bit broken cuz its rare
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You just gave me a funny as hell and broken idea:
Remote control:
Survivors with 3 stacks of condemnation can be killed by your hand and killer instinct reveals them every time they gain a stack of condemnation for 4 seconds.
TV's power back on 50% faster after using projection.
TV's powered off by survivors stay so for 50% more time.
Any survivor carrying a VHS tape removes a stack of condemnation, instead of gaining one, for every TV they turn off.
Your Lullaby, and Projection sounds are silent.
Basically, you can Kill anyone who has 3 condemned stacks, but they can remove any condemnation stacks just by holding onto a tape and shutting off TV's, but Carrying a VHS tape still gives them a condemned stack every 30 seconds until they eventually copy it to remove 3 stacks. In other words, you see every survivors position when they gain a stack of condemnation, If you manage to teleport next to a survivor and give them their third stack, you can kill them on their next down, but if they get a VHS tape, they can both delay your insta kill or remove your ability to kill them entirely by copying the tape. Adding in the bonus sound reduction to make her more stealthy only seems fair in this case, makes the game far more exciting for all players, and would definitely earn this add-on its UR status in my book.
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I really like Onryo and think she's a good killer with a bunch of intricacies. However, I would say she's more an upper mid. She can't compete with Nurse and Blight.
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You... didn't read the actual post, and are responding to the title alone, aren't you? It's ok, I was being purposely misleading in all honesty, but welcome you to read further please. There might be things you missed, and either agree or disagree with.
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