Why is there no base game counter to slugging for the 4k yet?
I just had a solo game where a very mediocre Huntress slugged a guy (who just crouched near the hook and let me get to second stage, then refused to heal me). I walked around, avoiding AFK crows, and then she picks him up, lets him wiggle free, and he runs up to where he saw my aura, sandbagging me. Of course, I reported him for working with the killer (and nothing will be done about it), but it blows my mind that after almost 6 years, this is still a thing. The devs will do extensive work for QoL changes like this for killers, like with end-game collapse, but are still completely fine letting solo survivor players get screwed over. Even the coming "solo survivor buff" changes are unlikely to improve QoL for what's pretty easily the weakest role in the game, solo survivor.
How is this still a thing, especially when MMR judges you as an individual?
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You...Ask about slugging but your story is about sandbagging and working with the Killer?
What? What does the story have to do with slugging which, by the way, is a valid tactic.
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Just treat the game as a battle royal in solo Q instead of a team-based game. It's really not unless you are in a SWF.
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Why would there be? There’s nothing wrong with it. The counter is picking the other person back up.
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Ah yes giving free unbreakable or buffs for having your team get consecutively slugged sounds like a great and very healthy idea!
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sandbagging and working with the Killer is bannable report them but slugging for the 4k is not.
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Don't slug, don't camp, don't tunnel, don't let other survivor wiggle out. So what else?
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Pray for one of your allies bring unbreakable (exponential doesn't even work, it's hardly going to work in soloQ), especially if the killer does it early in the game. Otherwise, there is no way, just joining in a swf. Same for face-camp (if not Bubba), only with BT (which at least is more common for Solo survivors to bring).
The devs have already demonstrated the intention to balance the game around SWF, especially with the post PTB changes already announced, at least toned down a bit by making the hemorrhage not work on the dying survivor.
Well, i sincerely disagree with the way the game is going, my opinion is that a future ranked mode should not allow full squads in high elos, at most only duos at close MMR and balance the entire game from that (disable lobby chat, disable steam profile, make ranked seasons with perks and maps disabled by default, etc)
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The killer 99% of the time deserves the 4k at that point anyway, but you're lucky to have hatch as that second chance to escape. Why then should the killer be denied the ability to slug for the 4k, which he deserves anyway, when that's the only strategy he can use to prevent a hatch escape in the first place?
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Try to hide, killer mains play to 4K all the time and love to bully solo survivors.
Devs will remove healing next update in solo will take forever to heal.
The solution is to stop playing, or only play in 4 SWF and destroy killer mains
Going forward this game balanced around SWF
Solo survivors have no place in the game anymore
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There actually is a counter to 4k slugging. Its called playing smart and don't blindly rush to everyone on the ground while the killer is nearby. They will go hook eventually. Usually this happens when survivors can't wait for a moment and straight up make a bee-line trying to revive everyone. And they jump right into killers hands. You deserve to lose the game if you play like this.
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I'm always amused by these threads because they usually look at it from a perspective of "survivors need something to counter slugging for the 4k", but if slugging for the 4k is the actual issue you want to get addressed, we could also look at it from a different perspective... The hatch mechanic is the core problem here. Killers that slug for the 4k do it because they want to prevent the last survivor from escaping through the hatch.
Just delete the hatch and slugging for the 4k won't be a thing anymore. EGC would activate after like 10 seconds of killing the 3rd survivor and ta-da!
- You addressed slugging for the 4k,
- You removed a build in 2nd chance mechanic,
- And you still kept a mechanic that forces the game to end (which was the point of EGC and closing the hatch in the first place)
Problem solved
Alternatively, you could also just let the 3rd survivor bleed out and get to a gate.
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endgame collapse was made for survivors so killers cannot do a hatch stand off, but ye I get your point but tbh.. how often does this happen? I got this situation also just once in my entire life with 7k hours almost. Griefing and trolling exists in any game, and I believe there are other way bigger problems that need more attention then something mediocre and rare like this.
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May I remind you that the hatch is 100% for survivors benefit and it forces killers to slug for a 4k if they wish to.
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I had that situation several times in the past few weeks, too.
I think slugging for a 4k is valid, BUT the problem is when it dosnt work out, and the killer lets the slugged survivor go to help him find the one he couldnt find otherwise. Thats working with the killer, but reporting does nothing if you dont take video evidence and report it in a secret way not obvious in the game itself.
I disagree. its for the benefit of both players. Without hatch, killers cant initiate egc, and some of us remember how long a game could take that way.
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Cause devs promote to have an annoying gameplay. Otherwise you cannot explain how tunneling, camping and slugging goes on for 5 years, while every day people explain how these flaws completely overthrow the intended gameplay.
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The 'intended gameplay' is that Killers try to kill while Survivors try to escape.
So tell me; how is slugging, tunneling, or camping not 'intended gameplay'? I mean, other than 'Because Survivors don't like it.'
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the game director was a camper, literally streamed himself doing it.
When even the game designer director understands that camping is a tactic, you aren't gonna win that debate
its a tactic, accept it bois
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The simple truth is, this is a team game. If you team is completely down - you lost the game.
You can bring perks to help you.
If you didn´t bring perks to help you in this situation - where your whole team is down - you lost the game.
Just play the next game (it always sounds there is no next) - and maybe consider bringing a perk that can help you in that case.
I really don´t see any reason to complain about that other than complain about the game itself.
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Yes they can, killers can just open the gates if they want everyone to leave. There is no way the hatch benefits killers, it is an entirely survivor sided mechanic to give them another chance at a free (often undeserved) escape
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Its a solo game, its only team game if you play in SWF.
Focusing on SWF its sure way to kill the game, in dbd clones the games focusing on team aspect and noone of them popular
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I only play SoloQ.
And i am a teamplayer. Mostly we win when we try to do team stuff. As solo you might get a lucky escape - but in my experience often not.
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The intended gameplay is seek and catch. Camping and tunneling overthrows seek. Slugging overthrows catch. Cant be more basic, but you guys are willingly ignoring this.
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So, in essence, you're saying Killers are not meant to kill, just seek and catch?
Because Killers intended gameplay is TO KILL. They don't win by 'seeking' or 'catching'. They win by killing. They have many different ways to kill, including: seeking, catching, slugging, camping, tunneling, etc. You don't get to decide how they kill or what is 'intended gameplay'.
You are willingly ignoring this to complain Killers are not playing how you want them to play. Survivors need to stop thinking they get to pick & choose how Killers, THEIR OPPONENTS, play or win.
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Yeah i guess basic gameplay is even to hard to understand for you. No way to discuss something so simple if you just wanna ignore it.
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I understand basic gameplay just fine. You're the one demanding 'This is how it goes because I said so!' and then getting all insulting that I disagreed.
Basic gameplay is 'Killer tries to kill via approved means (these include camping, tunneling, and slugging, even if you're angry)' and 'Survivors try to leave through approved means (this includes hiding, using pallets, perks, the exit gate, and the hatch.)'.
You, AGAIN, don't get to decide what is 'basic gameplay'. The devs have decided camping, tunneling, and slugging are allowed. Therefore; they are basic gameplay. End of story.
This will be my last reply to you, as I don't deal with people who get insulting when they have no valid points.
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Keep reviving them? I've had killers so adamant on slugging for the 4k I just kept reviving the teammate till they bled out then I got hatch anyways
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"Help, well all got died, we need a way to erase all that killers good plays so we can win"
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Unlike survivors, who routinely try to just get 2 escapes, right? Lmao. Now trying to kill all the survivors is "bullying"?
Totally unrelated, but I found these two boards and these nails, did you drop them? Seriously, if the game is that bad to you, just go. I play survivor 80% of the time and all of that time I queue up as solo, your "poor me" attitude is so off the mark it's comical.
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Honestly there should just be a bleed-out option. Bleeding out for 4 minutes because the killer couldn't find one dude is annoying and a waste of time. I get that they want their kill but having me play floor simulator for that is dumb. It's the only thing that I would willingly dc against.
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I have to disagree. It's already BS when a Survivor off themselves on the hook to give their friend the hatch. Why should they be able to do the same thing on the ground?
Hell, it's BECAUSE Survivors can hook-kill themselves that Killers slug to get the 4K!
Now, if EVERY Survivor is dying, dead, being carried, or Hooked; THEN they should be able to bleed out faster. To avoid spiteful 4k slugs.
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Don't go look at the Feedback forum; someone in there said Killers should lose BP if they hook the same Survivor twice in a row, and their logic? 'Killers don't win in the movies, so they should not win/get 4Ks here.' 😂
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In some ways it's helpful when someone goes out of their way like that to let you know they can't be taken seriously.
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Slugging for the 4k is the Killers counter to the Hatch. If you don't like it then ask for the Hatch to be removed.
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Why should somebody have to do nothing for 4 whole minutes in a video game just because the other guy wants an invisible trophy? Usually you're faster than survivors anyways and can down them before hatch. It's really not much of a problem, and even if they escape so what? They give a few bags, leave and the match is over at the worst. The 4k means nothing and slugging someone for it just screws them over irl because they either DC and get a penalty or do absolutely nothing for next 5 minutes anyways.
I also don't understand how it's BS to try and give the last guy alive the best chance of surviving in the, y'know, survivor role?
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Why shoudl the Killer be denied his 4K because Survivors can't wait 4 minutes, or assume their time needs priority over the Killer's?
I also don't understand how Survivors think they need a dedicated 'screw the Killer' button by forcing an early death to help their friend. Because Killing is the point of the, y'know, Killer role?
I will say it again; If Survivors could not completely shaft a Killer going for a 4K or Adept by giving up on the hook; the Killer would not slug (Barring toxic trolls). Why should the Devs give Survivors the EXACT mechanic Killers are trying to avoid, just because they're selfish and demand a way to bone Killers out of Adepts?
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unbreakable? And if you don’t have then to bad there shouldn’t be a counter tbh
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I don’t think it’s bs on that first part honestly
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Fair enough. But it's still a mechanic Killers are trying to avoid so they can get the 4K.
And then Survivors sit here and snivel 'This unfair! I'm bored! Allow me to do THAT EXACT THING on the ground! My friend deserves the hatch more than the Killer deserves his 4K! Selfish Killer should just hook me so I can do that EXACT THING on the hook! How DARE he go for a 4K!' Insert more 'Be happy with the 3K' dribble Survivors love to say.
Can you tell I'm tired of being told I'm selfish, the villain, etc. for going for the 4k? Survivors sit here and act like everything a Killer does has to pass Survivor Quality Standards for their opponent.
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I will never understand killers who waste 4m every game slugging for the 4k. I only do it if someone BMd me, I got sent to a trash map, or I have a really good idea where the last survivor is. 4m is already halfway into another match
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Fair. Tbh I don’t really mind when the killer slugs for the 4k as I do the same. The only thing that I hate is when I’m under a hook and the killer just refuses to end it already. And as for the killing yourself on the hook, I remember I was playing with one friend and it was just me and her vs an onryo. I was on the hook and she had a mori. I told her not to get me of the hook. Yes to go and look for hatch but most importantly so that my Claire wouldn’t get moried😭. Most of the time if the game looks like it’s over like a 2v1 at 3 gens and killer has a mori then I will kill myself on the hook to avoid it.
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There is a huge difference here. The killer is playing the game in those 4 minutes, the survivor is not able to play the game for that whole time and will 100% die. It's not about "screwing over the killer". You're only circumventing a game mechanic, which you're not entitled to do consistently. And while you could say the same for the slug bleed-out, again the difference I stated comes in. The mechanic doesn't prevent you from playing the game, it only means your fourth kill isn't guaranteed. The dude on the ground can't do jack. It's about consideration for the other person. Survivors helping their team survive isn't a personal spite against you. They aren't griefing your experience by not letting you get the 4k.
There's nothing that can make you choose either rather than yourself. Be nice or be a cock, whatever you want. Just remember the next time you have a bad match, what goes around comes back around.
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Because they want the BP? Because a 4K is achievable? Because a 4K in the current META is, if your MMR is proper, almost impossible?
Who cares WHY; it's part of the game. A goal Killers can reach for. And I'm sick of Survivors treating me like ######### for trying when I have the rare chance.
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You're only circumventing a game mechanic, which you're not entitled to do consistently
Who says? Survivors?
The mechanic doesn't prevent you from playing the game, it only means your fourth kill isn't guaranteed.
Yes; it's Survivors demanding a new way to steal the 4K away from the Killer because THEY feel it's toxic, or unfair, or boring. Because THEY want to spite the Killer who they feel is spiting them. Because THEY have decided 'Slugging for a 4K is toxic, thus, it should be changed'.
It's Survivors saying 'I think the Killer should be happy with a 3K. Allow me to enforce it no matter what he does'.
The dude on the ground can't do jack. It's about consideration for the other person. Survivors helping their team survive isn't a personal spite against you
And Killers slugging for the 4K is not a personal spite against you.
They aren't griefing your experience by not letting you get the 4k.
And the Killer is not greifing yours by wanting a 4K.
Once again; this is just Survivors deciding 'I don't like this. Cater to us and spite Killers with a new mechanic baked in to allow us to change it in our favor'.
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copium is strong with this one
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Uhhh, with the MMR changes, I have basically been winning nonstop as killer. "4k is impossible" like #########? Literally I 4k half the games I play. And probably 3k the majority of the rest. Pretty much the only time I am losing is on some straight dumpster tier killers like Sadako.
You have people like Pro Vengeance back on a 150+ winstreak as killer. The game is easier than ever since the MMR changes. I recommend you go watch him by the way, if you are struggling that hard as killer.
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The only counter that I really want from this is a mechanic that gets me out of a game that's obviously over, so something similar to the hook mechanic where you have to hit a skill check to stay alive. Leave my husk and have it only activate after everyone's slugged if that's a problem-- I just want to move on to the next game.
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I agree that if everyone is dead/hooked/carried/dying; there should be a 'Give up' option.
I just disagree that Survivors should have a way to give up & give their buddy the hatch.
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That's the purpose of the husk. The devs mentioned this at one point when they were talking about DCs and giving hatch.
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Getting to a point where you are being slugged for the 4K means either the survivors massively misplayed, or the killer massively outplayed.
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