Why make Legion unfun to play against again?
He was nerfed previously because of how unfun it is to play against him, constantly just mending, healing (if you want to), probably already had the longest games. With newer perk combos since his release, most maps becoming smaller and more open, he's even more unfun to play against. The fact he can see you mending, interrupt your mends, make you start again if he does interupt you, wreck your gen progress 200% in 1 quick kick, makes it even worse now than kt was before.
I know killer or legion mains will hate this post and other survivors will possibly say I'm toxic for saying this bit, but honestly I just kill myself as soon as I'm hooked against Legion because it's just not fun to play against.
Good job with the music though.
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Ah yes, the old "nerf it because I don't find it fun" argument.
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because you cant absolutely ######### on legion now? my only issue is the never sleep combo which does need addressed. sounds like you are more upset with perks than the actual killer.
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I haven't gone against the new legion yet can we wait a bit?
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So how is he unfun to play against exactly?
You shouldn't be healing and the mend takes seconds. What am I missing here?
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He wasn't nerfed for being unfun to play against.
His power was changed (and deep wound mechanics were also changed), because his power didn't give survivors any real counterplay. Original Legion could either chase you through pallets and windows repeatedly stabbing you until you went down or he could abuse deep wound and chase mechanics to force you to die to the deep wound timer.
Legion might not be the most fun for survivors to face, but his power has counterplay to it and the devs don't seem keen on changing the core concept of his power. So he's likely going to stay in this spot for the foreseeable future.
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They weren't nerfed because mending is unfun and that isn't something that's been reintroduced, it's always been a feature
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I don't find Legion fun to play against in solo queue because I can never get my teammates to leave me alone or stop begging me to heal them. I just run Resilience and Spine Chill pretty much permanently just because I've resigned myself to being perpetually injured and or broken and or oblivious.
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He isn't really that bad to verse once you get better at the game. Once you split up he can't chain as many people together and if you get better at dodging you will make him miss at least once or twice a game.
I wouldn't kill myself vs him. Compare him to higher tier killers and I think he's a lot better to verse than most.
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That’s because Old Legion had weak mobility, slowdown, and no lethality and was indeed the worst killer in the game and many killers absolutely need more buffs like this
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he was uncounterable before. deep wounds went down out of chase and didn't stop when you ran. they would walk backwards and either you died from deep wounds or you get hit. either way you lost the chase.
furthermore alot of killers are less "fun" than legion. Artist is straight busted. etc etc.
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I should mention I'm also a solo queue survivor too and know what thats like darkcloudlink. I don't bother healing against him either.
If you haven't vs'd a legion since his new update then you can't have been playing much or have been very lucky. Pretty much every other game I get now Is a legion.
I know mending isn't what has been reintroduced, but I'm seeing a lot more of him now since his new changes and having to mend a lot more than previously. It's just boring, doesn't give you fun chases and doesn't let you progress the game much.
Sure a SWF 4 man group can speak to each other to stay split up, not run him into each others terror radius, but for solo survivors we're just ######### most of the time.
And it's not that I'm new or bad at the game either, I've been playing a long time.
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I'm glad They are stronger. Now I hope if they buff him again its in a different area. I don't want to be mending any longer then now
And il admit, hes hell in solo queue
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That is pretty much how all survivor nerfs happen.
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If we had a perk that could make you invisible to killer frenzy, I'd use it 100% of the time right now just whilst he seems so popular atm
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I have fun playing against and as Legion. They can't make the entire game easy for all survivors or killers.
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Excuse me, when was legion EVER fun to go against them? Their power has always been a design failure, even in their nerfed form. Mending simulator with no actual interaction
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I wouldn't say he was uncounterable. You could do things like pallet stun him out of Feral Frenzy, there was mindgames you could do at vaults since legion would vault past the window meaning you could either sneak back over or run the opposite direction he starts to head.
Your options were just really small to the point they didn't really matter.
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Yeah! I hate having to constantly hold M1 to mend.
I much prefer other killers, where I just have to constantly hold M1 to do gens, or hold M1 to heal, or hold M1 to open gates, or to open chests, or set up boons, or to....
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His core gameplay hasn't changed much though.
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I would argue if a large portion of the player base dislikes something odds are it probably needs a change. That said I entirely disagree with OP here.
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its fun to play but not strong. stop bitching about it and get good.
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As a solo queue player 99% of the time on survivor, when I feel like I am getting targeted next by Legion, I try to pallet camp them. I'm happy to trade a Deep Wounds for knocking them out of their power + the BP for Killer Stun, and it wastes a lot of their time. That usually lets the other headless chickens get far enough away so that I don't run back into them accidentally.
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Now he is not only still weak, he is also boring to go against.
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Legion was nerfed because he was a completely unfair killer with no counterplay, and could get guaranteed downs.
Current Legion can be countered easily by just splitting up, not mending in his TR, and then they're just an M1 killer like before.
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DBD community stop confusing your subjective "unfun" with an objective "unbalanced" challenge (very hard)
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Considering some of the ridiculous threads there have been lately I would disagree.
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As I said odds are. That's not to say there aren't exceptions.
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You know at this point I'm just convinced that surv mains are offended about not being able to literally ignore Legion in Frenzy and start instantly mending. WHICH NEVER SHOULD HAVE BEEN A THING IN THE FIRST PLACE-
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CoH is god tier against them.
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your missing the part that survivor are losing to him now instead escaping 24/7. wraith all over again.
Don't worry, it happens every time a killer becomes stronger. I still never get why survivor ever complain about "killer" variety when they kill their own variety with posts like these. Its been pretty long time since an m1 killer got some control over the game.
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You need to chill man, if you hate the new legion, just limit or don't play DBD for a few days or even a week. The legion meta will definitely die off once people get bored of it. You cant expect much since it has only been just released and people are trying to enjoy the new change. It will return back to the old meta of just nurse and blight and the occasional other killers. You don't even have to worry, legion is not even that strong so people will stop using it as often eventually.
"I sure as hell would rather meet legion more than nurse or blight or even play killer and meet 4 dead hards," just my two cents.
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Legion is so much better to go against and play. Their power makes them more as a threat and as killer, at least your power can now down people. Yes he may be annoying to go against in solo queue, but you could say that about every killer 'pig is so annoying to go against in solo q because my teammates keep leading her to me when i'm taking my party hat off'. I think legion is fine the way they are and don't need any nerfs or buffs (maybe a few bug fixes on add ons and hit boxes) but yeah
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We are Legion.
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"This a classic power trip survivor team"
-Team is a bunch of Claudettes hiding in lockers and camping pallets
MAX MMR DEATH SQUAD
CAN'T BULLY THIS LAD!
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He was nerfed to the ground made unusable now he can actually compete an now you want to nerf him quit being an entitled survivor main
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*everyone on this GOD###N forum*: 'NERF THIS PERSON RIGHT NOW THEYRE OP/BROKEN/TOXIC(insert whatever bulls#!t reason you want) MY FUN MATTER MORE THAN ANYTHING
*also everyone on this GOD###N forum: "WHY NERF THIS PERSON NOW THEY ARENT FUN TO PLAY/PLAY AGAINST YOU'VE RUINED EVERYTHING GOOD IN MY LIFE IM A MARTYR AND I NEED EVERYONE TO AGREE WITH ME OR I'M LEAVING THIS GAME FOREVER"
holy zombie jesus yall really can't just bite your tongue and move on with your lives huh?
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I mean, Legion was never fun to play against. You press M1 as Survivor to get out of the game. And Legion just gives you more M1-Pressing. And every Legion seems to run Thanatophobia, so Gens dont take 80 seconds, they take 96 seconds. And then they run at least two more Slowdown-Perks.
Legion-Games are just a big snoozefest. And they have always been a big snoozefest. Legion should be reworked completely, with that power, they will never be a really strong Killer and always be a pain to go against.
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i disagree. play with the right perks and hes a power house- source: legion main with many many many 4ks against a whole slew of survs (both swf, solo and what not)
generalizing legion as a snooze fest because some people play a less aggressive style is inaccurate.
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I think s/he meant legion just drags the game longer than it has to. You drag the game so long as a killer but you cant get much out of it against decent/good survivors, and ended up with 2K despite all the unnecessary long game. And as a survivor... I don't have to explain it, everyone seems to be explaining it quite well everywhere 😂
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I am speaking from the Survivor-perspective.
But from a Killer-perspective as well, they should be reworked to actually become a strong Killer.
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i play 50/50 surv/killer. legion is fun to play against, and play as. i think the main issue is who ever is playing legion at the time: depending on how they play. as a killer: efficient aggressive and focused play makes for an exciting game. as a survivor: knowing how legino plays is a huge advantage. I get that everyone has their own ideals and opinions, but again, generalizing legion as boring because most legion killers drag the game out is inaccurate to legion as a whole.
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Being flashlighted, dead harded and borrow timed every game isn't fun either. Legion haters, suck it up 👍
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Imagine wanting to nerf the killer that is so easy to counter you just don't heal.
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Fair enough. I agree its fun playing against Legion. But on a killer perspective, after landing the slash (not considering the 5th hit) its just boring M1 attack, often delayed cos he needs time to catch up and also survivors have more chance getting to the next pallet to loop with. I only love it cos its fun to run and slash people but it gets mundane when its the normal m1 chases. Other M1 killers at least have some M2 to use while chasing but legion cant use M2 while trying to down someone.
I guess at least legion is better than other m1 killers thanks to the need to mend and slowing gen capabilities despite it feeling mundane at times.
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Has legion ever be fun to play against?
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I'd change "pretty long time" to "never", but yeah I agree with your point lol.
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They did some really nice changes to him. They'll have to completely rework him for people like you to be happy.
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Isn't one of the ways to counter Legion the same as countering Plague, as in not healing against them all the time? For example, always cleansing against Plague whenever you become broken is generally frowned upon while it is seen as being smart to pick and choose the right times to cleanse. Mending works in a different fashion but the underlying principle is the same, in my opinion, as Legion doesn't have any lethality with his power unless you chain 5 hits together and using it on an already injured Survivor does nothing but give them free Sprint Burst while knocking the Legion of of his/her/their/its power. There are also perks like Sprint Burst and Dead Hard that also help combat their power as well.
I'm not naïve enough to believe that everyone can adopt these same strategies as people play this game in their own ways but the calls for nerfs need to stop as it distracts from the myriad of other problems that plague this game. I get it if people have killers that they don't like to face (like I myself hate going against Wraith but love playing Wraith, weird I know) but does that mean that Wraith needed the nerf that he received? In my opinion he didn't but got one anyways due to whatever reason BHVR had to do it
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I feel like I'm just non-stop mending v Legion, I don't even bother healing it's the mending that's just constant. I feel like Legion matches go on so long now for little reward.
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No I'm sort of with you as a Legion main. Before it was a niche killer, considered weak and did well with Legion. Now it's...too easy and everyone is doing it. Guess I'll main Pig now.
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