Boring stale tunneling camping gameplay
What is it with this game wanting people to kill as efficient as possible? Because of lore and ice hockey? Why would you push towards that instead of trying to design the game around getting chased by a serial killer? Why not reward doing well in chases instead of camping hooks and tunneling efficiently?
What is a win anyways? You can '4k' (domination right?) in 2 minutes and 'black pip' (draw) in the same game. Or as survivor get chased all game, escape, and depip!! Because the killer wasnt able to hook anyone. So the killer playing poorly punishes the survivors playing well. And the killer playing too well punishes the killer for playing too well.
Throw the lore out of the window, throw the ice hockey analogy out of the window. And lets make games more interactive!!!
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Top gameplay is incredibly suck and boring on both sides, and feeds into eachother.
But yes, please make the game more interactive. Even if BHVR doesn't have the mettle to do it.
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The killer is already rewarded for doing well in chase : he gets BP for it.
Now, if you want the killer to get higher MMR too, that would make no sense. Killers with high skill getting no kills is a survivor lie. It doesn’t exist, it’s called a bad killer, aka a nice killer in survivor language.
Streamers, like Otz, Truetalent, ect…are avoiding tunneling and camping because it’s not good content : it can be boring to watch and would make survivor fan base angry. But if they did it, they would win more.
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Everytime someone talks about "being interactive", they mean juicing the killer in longer chases.
Why the hell would killer players want LONGER chases? It's bad enough that Survivors expect them to it a MINIMUM of TWELVE times, flashlight saves and wiggle outs nonwithstading.
Now you want LONGER chases?
How EXACTLY are you gonna sell that pitch?
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You mean "interactive" as in "no repairing match"? in which case yes I'm always try to make that.
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But why should tunneling and camping lead to more 'wins'???? That's the whole point! Make it not about kills and stop rewarding it! And a killer getting 'no kills' means he's bad is also not true, unless your version of a good killer is someone standing next to a hook all game. I can hook everyone twice, keeping 4 people in a match and lose. Because 4 people do gens faster than 3 or 2 people. Yet I can pick Bubba, 1v1 someone and facecamp him and have a better result right, because I got a kill?
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No I dont want to juice anyone.. I just want to be able to chase everyone multiple times. Instead of me standing next to the hook or tunneling someone out because its more efficient. I want to be all over the map, chasing, hitting. As a survivor I want to be able to rescue someone, maybe even heal someone. Instead of me walking up to the hook and seeing a Billy standing there, creepily staring at the hook. I WANT INTERACTION! I don't want to sit on a gen all game because someone is getting facecamped. I want to get chased, I want to go down, I want to get unhooked, I want to be able to heal, I want to be able to unhook others, I WANT TO GET CHAAAAAAAASED!!!
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No, not a no repairing match. I want variety. I want to get chased, unhook, repair, heal. I dont want to juice a killer for 5 gens, I dont want to walk up to a hook to see someone get facecamped. I want the killer to feel strong, to be all over the map, to dive into chases. I prefer getting 3 unhooks and getting dominated like a baby seal in every single chase. Then getting downed, unhooked, instantly downed, hooked, unhooked instantly downed next to the hook and hooked again. I want interaction... it's that too much to ask, I want to have fun.
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I am sorry but it you hook everyone twice but gets no kill you got outsmart by the survivor team. Hook / chase trading is a common survivor strategy to buy time, you did not play well or nice, you just did what they wanted you to do.
As killer, you are suppose to hook survivors, preventing rescues, and maybe pressure generators to buy time. If you refuse to defend your hooks, and won’t chase the same survivor twice, that’s on you. Not on the game.
You are not playing to win, you are playing to please the survivor team and make them win. Don’t expect any reward except a "gg ez" from the survivor team.
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So me walking around, respecting everyone who just got unhooked is them actually 'outsmarting' me? Or just me trying to give them a nice time because I know how boring it is to get tunneled every single game. Alright, I will just camp and tunnel everyone out now, let's see how they like it. I will show you some endgame screenshots
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Yes, you've been outsmarted by their strategic emotional feeling.
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Alright, I will give up on trying to be nice. I will be conservative and accept that this game is just about getting your kills. Not a game to have fun. Tunneling and camping with noed and 3 slowdown perks it is.
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I'll recommend rancor too if that's the way.
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They are absolutely not avoiding tunneling/camping, and in the instances that they are, the videos are heavily curated to show survivors that are just not that skilled so they have no need to camp/tunnel.
You can see in videos where the survivors are good that Otz/Tru3 camp/tunnel because they have no choice. Strong survivors require aggressive tactics. You can't hold back against survivors like that.
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If you don’t have fun preventing rescues and focusing survivors then don’t do it. But you will lose against any good survivor team.
It’s a PVP game, killing someone is not being mean. It’s the objective, there is nothing toxic about it. The role is called Killer, you are supposed to try to kill them, not babysit them.
You need to break free from this survivor narrative shaming killers for playing efficient. I wish we had a spectator mode so you could see how high mmr killers are playing (not streamers fishing for views).
Now I am to ask you a question, and think about it : if this was a game with 2 killer VS 5 survivors would you still play "nice" ? Would it not be consider throwing playing "nice" ?
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Maybe, it will confirm a kill I guess? But its noed with 3 slowdown perks more sweaty? So you have more time to camp and tunnel early and mid game?
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Yes I'm aware that you will lose. But that's not the point of my post. I want it to be changed so it's fun for everyone. Everyone hates camping and tunneling. I have doing it and I hate when people do it against me. Why is it the most efficient way to play, and why has it been for years?
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So it’s efficient because it’s way easier to win 1 vs 3 than 1 vs 4.
Camping and tunneling is a key part of the game, it’s been in perks (insidious, rancor, ect…) and balance. It’s extremely hard to win end game in 1 vs 4. You are supposed to kill at least one survivor before end game if you want to stand a chance.
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You can effectively ignore obsession as it'll instantly kill them at endgame.
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My first game of camping and tunneling was a succes! I camped them all in the basement and played the grab game, they barely got any points too!
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Because pressuring 4 people require skill, and macroplay require some brain. Without skill high MMR is impossible without cheesy tactic, but using it you could even get 1-2 kills. On middle-low MMR it's effortless 4K wins.
Great indicator of campers' misery and desperation is that 90% of the time they are the source of hook-slapping, nodding, BM-ing and writing "ez" in EGC. Skilled killers that wipe teams without cheese are always nice. But they are very few (at least on my MMR).
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Right, because if you’re doing one for one hooks you’re probably not slugging enough. You should mainly hook when you have enough pressure on the other survivors that you have the time to hook.
So yes, it’s perfectly plausible to hook 8 times and lose. It’s just a combination of bad luck on the hook distribution and/or bad macro gaming where you didn’t think to slug when it would have been useful. And that’s perfectly fine.
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Be careful, it gonna gets harder and harder as you keep doing, although that's also exciting.
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Survivors can already milk longer chases to begin with when it comes to the majority of killers, it's just so bad for killer. Maybe it would be more fun if gens didn't get all done in 4-5 minutes if you have 1 long chase, it's awful. You have to be brutally efficient to win and that means making survivors miserable in turn with how you play.
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You know that getting chased is not an Objective, right?
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