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About Barbecue & Chilli
Let's be honest
How many main killers run barbecue for the BP?
That nerf was ridiculous and won't change the pick rates in the late game.
It might just make new baby killers farming not to pick it, but killers who know what they're doing will still use it.
Knowing where survivors are all the time is the main usage of the perk.
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1) BBQ was offten run by killer who just wanted BP including killers who don't benefit from using the aura reading much (slow killers).
2) The aura effect itself is well balanced, has some counter play that Survivors can use to avoid being detected. It's fairly strong ability.
3) The perk will now use only killers who can benefit from knowing who and where far away is.
Overall, great change without making the perk bad.
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I consistently ran BBQ for the points. The aura reading was a bonus to me
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1) Who said that?
2) What counterplay? going into a locker? So you're there, doing a gen with a fellow survivor next to you, if you go into a locker and your fellow survivor doesn't, what do you think the killer will do?
3) Any killer can benefit from the aura reading. Especially now that the gens take more time to be completed.
I have no idea what game you guys are playing tho lol
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Most killers absolutely only run it for the blood points. I expect only killers that can cover large distances quickly like Blight, Nurse, and Dredge to run it after this change. Maybe Huntress too for some long range hatchets.
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but aren't these killers the most complained killers of the game tho?
If you look at this forum, you see people begging to nerf these killers. lol
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I will absolutely not run BBQ any more.
It only triggers after a hook, and has a huge blind spot around you.
Alternatively in the same slot I can now have:
Darkness Revealed on Huntress and Trickster, who both interact with lockers regularly and can use DR to get information regularly when they need it.
Discordance which will tell me the most important place to be in a much less predictable fashion than BBQ does, and cannot be avoided except by NOT doing a gen quickly.
Floods of Rage which is less well timed, but basically unavoidable and will reveal people hiding nearby as well.
There are simply better detection perks than BBQ, and all nerfing BBQ into the ground does is remove a perk that most new players get pushed towards anyway which helps guide them away from camping and tunneling.
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Yes but they're not good specifically because of BBQ, they're just good in general and want aura reading to find survivors because they're good at getting hits.
I guarantee if you removed BBQ they'd perform just as good running other aura reading perks like Bitter Murmur, Hex: Retribution, and that scourge hook that reveals all survivors.
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I'm going to be honest, I didn't even always run BBQ on slow killers that need chase and slowdown perks.bur when I did it was for the BP. The aura read is a nice to have on mobility killers and huntress but not even necessary. SH: Floods of Rage, Discordance and I'm all Ears are all better aura reading perks than BBQ that are useful on almost all killers and not just some.
It's sad because BBQ did promote healthier playstyles the changes are not really doing anything against camping at is.
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Are you kidding. It will be nice to have 4 perk slots again.
The bloodpoint gain was so much the draw of bbq I'm using it on Pyramid head and forcing the 4 stacks instead of using the cages
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I literally run it in every single killer for the points because the game is too grindy.
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then I guess we'll have to wait for the numbers, I don't think this nerf will hurt barbecue.
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I had to double check this wasn't a Sluzzy post.
Nobody who has ever played killer thinks BBQ without the BP is a strong perk.
It's actually an anti-camping perk, you want killers to run BBQ.
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I'm just gonna run darkness revealed or thrilling tremors instead.
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I’ll never use BBQ again if the change happens. I very often see zero people on BBQ when I hook a survivor. Or if I do see someone, they are often so far on the other side of the map, that it’s not realistic to travel over there when a survivor is on a hook.
BHVR is nerfing tunneling, but they aren’t giving us ways to find new targets more easily. They even nerfed the information part of one of the scourge hook perks, because they didn’t like the killer being able to easily find someone new while a survivor is hooked.
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Ummm... I only run BBQ for the BP bonus. All this change did was free up a perk slot for a slow down for me.
I've so often hooked someone and ran to a locker to get hatchets its a meme for me and my friends now. BBQ was always a BP perk first for me, a knowledge perk second. I really don't need the knowledge, survivors are going to generally be in 1 of 7 locations and with each gen, those locations get easier to predict cause they'll reduce...
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Bbq needs its aura reading buffed
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A good 80% of the time, I forget to actually look with BBQ. I suspect it's the same for a lot of killer mains who only ran it for the BP.
The reality is that there are simply better perks. Darkness Revealed and Floods of Rage being two of those perks. With the removal of the BP Bonus, you'll likely see it run on Billy, Blight, Nurse, Dredge, Sadako, Freddy (Even if he is a meme at this point), Legion, Oni and Huntress.
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Right now, I run BBQ on all my killers.
When this change goes live, I will run BBQ on none of my killers.
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it's a good change I feel forced to use it just because I like BPs too much, I would never use it otherwise
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I'm honestly fine with it, thrilling tremors was a better value imo, than bbq.
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I literally ONLY ran BBQ for the extra points - same as WGLF on survivor. The removal of the BP bonus will make me NEVER touch either of those 2 perks ever again.
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I ran BBQ solely for the bonus bp. The fact that it could help me find other players is good. However my perks and killer gameplay style and knowledge allowed me to find survivors no matter what.
The grind being reduced is the reason the bonus bp is being removed and so it frees a perk slot for me. With all the flans I've managed to get across my killers during this event and the upcoming bloodhunt to get even more will allow me to reduce the grind even more through the upcoming times I play.
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Can someone link the changes? What's happening to my second staple perk bbq? Are they baking the BP boost into the Basegame?
If yes:
This.
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Goodbye bbq, you were the best
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Everyone using BBQ for points, not Aura. Getting 50k for Trial instead of 25k, people love it.
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The only reason BBQ was in every single one of my builds for 3 years was extra BP. I bought Cannibal DLC just for BBQ.
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That's the sad thing it's not so they removed a big reason to use both of the bp perks and honestly the bp bonus made people actually take advantage of the aura reading and ditch the hooks just so they can get another stack now why use BBQ if there are better information perks for killers
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With Distortion buff, BBQ dead my friends.
Legendary Perk, quite arguably the best perk ever created. Bubbas perks were the best 3 ever introduced together. Like others, just gonna run Darkness Revealed probably
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Okay , that removes my most staple perk off all my killer builds.
Sorry @GoodBoyKaru , but the way it seems, i have to change bbq for lightborn as my profile pic and fully devote myself to my Lord and saviour with the upcoming changes.
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Basekit BP bonus idea
Killer: get a 25% bonus per 1st hook on survivor, up to 100%. Once a survivor is dead, you can no longer gain stacks. This would encourage killers to go after different survivors and maybe reduce tunneling a tiny bit.
Survivor: basically stays the same, get stacks for safe unhooks/protection hits, but without the full safety of BT. You could also add in something like 'doing a total of 100% gen progress during a trial rewards a single stack. Can only earn 1 per trial'. Just to give players a little more incentive to do a gen.
Search "bloodpoint changes and player retention" to read full post.
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