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Nurse Bottleneck?
An idea I've seen passed around is the idea that Nurse bottle necks game balance, because of how powerful she is. All perks have to be scaled back due to her disregard for game mechanics. Is there a way to solve this issue? Is Nurse a balancing issue, or are people over reacting? What are some of your suggestions on how to keep the idea of nurse while realigning her with the basic idea of how the game works?
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I think people overreact quite a bit. She ignores mechanics that aren't useful against her to begin with, but other things are useful against Nurse that aren't useful against other killers. And even then, she's not ignoring vaults and pallets per se, they're just used in a completely different manner against Nurse. It's like saying Huntress ignores distance if you run in a straight line out in the open
And I don't think the devs are designing perks with Nurse in mind. The meta is being scaled back for a reason, and they wouldn't do that if it was only Nurse causing problems with those perks.
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It’s a total fabrication, with no supporting evidence from BHVR or otherwise. That’s why BHVR has never changed the perks people complain about on Nurse, how her blink attacks count as basic attacks, etc.
If anything, Nurse is getting stronger with the upcoming changes. I mean, all killers are, but specifically the shorter DS stun and less distance gained from injury are going to make her even more challenging to verse. The Iron Will nerf too.
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I agree that Nurse isn't responsible for the balancing of perks in this game, but you can't look at me with a straight face and say Nurse doesn't need SOME balancing.
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I could. Minus minor nerfs to the range add-ons, and reworking her two add-ons that nerf her.
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Fair enough, I just win 90% of my matches with her, and even I think that is too high.
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Think about it from a 30,000 foot view. One killer, with a low pick rate and the lowest kill rate, bottlenecking the entire game? I COULD believe that. You know, if Behavior didn't decide to recode Nurse and intentionally buff the ranged addons.
I would prefer if they hadn't buffed the range addons, and I'm hoping she doesn't get that Wraith/Deathslinger whiplash at the end of the day, but it's pretty obvious that if Nurse was bottlenecking anything, BHVR had a prime opportunity to resolve it and chose not to.
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The speed boost of the range add-on should probably go. (Unless there are way decent Nurses than I expect and it somehow helps them.)
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Have you ever heard of what happens when you assume? I’m a survivor main, I rarely play Nurse outside of dailies or to complete Rift challenges. I’m just sick of hearing all the whiny babies against Nurse on these forums, so changed my avatar from Sprint Burst to Nurse.
Ash: “What now?”
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She needs a rework. Let's hope she gets it.
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Can't wait for rework season 2. /s
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Not intentional at all.
A dev commented in a post a week ago, and they had no idea about the change (bug) that happened to these addons.
They also didn't know about the animation bug that popped up at the same time as this bug "fix" patch. The one that makes the nurse damage you before she is shown as either finishing her blink or even raising her weapon.
This dev said they have not been recieving reports about this bug despite myself and several other posters in that thread saying we have reported it.
They have no idea what to do with nurse, so please don't claim they do.
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It is too bad there isn't a downvote button or all the same 5 or so nurse mains in here upvoting each other's posts would be flooded by Vote Downs instead of that 5 or so Vote Ups.
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What about the non-Nurse mains, who care about game balance and having killers to verse in a two-sided multiplayer game?
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They know Nurse in her current state is unhealthy for the game and would advocate for both Nurse, SWF and Blight's top addons to be toned down. Obviously.
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Hmm, weird. I can only agree with one of those things.
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Show me the post because I've seen the posts where they confirmed the range addon speed was NOT a bug.
They know exactly what to do with Nurse. They literally recoded her. It's in the patch notes.
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Yeah, nurse is skewing kill rates due to the fact she being too weak.
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About people saying all that...
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On every game there’s players who specialise a specific character and become extremely strong.
That doesn’t mean it’s overpowered, good Meepo players trash people on Dota 2, you don’t balance stuff based on the best players.
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Nurse isn’t holding back perk creations because bhvr does strong perks anyway without testing how broken they’d be on the nurse. The best example is the hex retribution, hex undying, hex haunted grounds and hex ruin/ hex devour hope combo or should I mention the scourge hook floods of rage + Make your choice combo? Or Starstruck on nurse?
AT LEAST her blinks need to be changed to special attacks and her range add ons need nerfs too.
OR she gets an entire rework. Which is the better option imo.
Btw ignore all the nurse mains that answered first. Nurse mains will try to defend their op toy, no matter what.
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Nurse obviously needs a Rework (but BHVR is too scared). And she is also partly responsible for difficulty to balance the game.
HOWEVER - she is not the sole reason. Killers in general are responsible that the game is difficult to balanced. Solos vs. SWF are another point. And finally, Map-RNG.
Solos vs. SWF-->Should be clear.
Killers-->You have a huge disparity when it comes to their strength. You have Nurse, Blight and Spirit on one end and then Killers like Trapper, Clown, Myers on the other end. Something which might benefit Clown might be too busted on Blight. And something what barely helps Blight might also not be enough to help Trapper. Nothing can fix this.
Map RNG-->You have so many different things... Number of Pallets for example. One game you can end up against a Blight with the Minimum amount of Pallets, next game you go against a Trapper with the maximum amount of Pallets on the same Map.
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There are Killers who bottleneck certain things, do people really think Spirit wasnt responsible for Stridor nerf? A perk which benefited nobody, was crappy on every Killer except on Spirit which made her busted and impossible to face. Freddy for BT outside of TR?.
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I wouldn't expect anything less from you at this point, same copy and paste message in every Nurse thread.
Yet still no effort to learning to play against her.
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What do you want me to say other than the truth?
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That assumes that bhvr has that kind forethought.
One that was missing when COH came in.
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Well let's be completely transparent. None of the killer perks other than maybe pain res are actually OP. They just think that the way to change what perks killer use, is to hard nerf gen perks and instead... buff other gen perks? When really all they had to do was just buff perks in general and leave the current meta perks as is.
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I think a lot of people overreact but I do think she needs a nerf, more specifically her addons. There is no reason for her range addons to exist and I don't think she should have so many meme addons.
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Pain Resonance is a 15% regression and a loud notification, if this is on the other side of the map survivors can do 15% progress back on that generator again easily, it's only really used to be combined with dead mans.
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Pretty much.
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Nurse requires a different approach to evade. The problem is survivors keep doing stupid things vs her. Like vaulting windows and giving free info to her or throwing pallets down to try and stun her. To beat nurse you keep moving, break los constantly and double back on occasion to gain distance. I had two games against nurse today both moderatly good and i ll tell you the counterplay implemented above bought me the time we needed to win the game. The counterplay requires high skill play and excellent reads not everyone can play nurse this is not freddy or spirit.
You are in no position to argue a nurse nerf when you look at what they did to slinger,wraith and billy. It was bang out of order and the counterplay was there for those killers to begin with. Behaviour should fix the killers they messed up before further damaging there original rooster. Even if they buffed every killer and it resulted in a buff for nurse what a mere 4-2% of matches would be against her. Are we going to ban swf for the same reasons hell no. The percentage and gameplay both swf and nurse offers is important for satisfying key niches of the game.
As for solos i m so sick of saying this but again give solos a ping system and baseline methods to communicate. Perks should not be used to band aid a lack of in game chat. Put swfs and solo on a level ppayign field a ping system is relatively easy to implement there is no excuse.
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Yea so even that perk. Nothing killers had was game breaking or game changing unlike cough dead hard cough so there was no reason for anything to get nerfed. Other than BBQ because the grind is a lot less and people literally only used it for BP, so hopefully that forces other perks to be used in that aspect since it was so clear of every perk killers had in terms of usage rates.
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Pretty much, Nurse games are super fun when I play survivor it's super satisfying when you play Nurse yourself and you apply the counter-tactics to when you play survivor and they work like if it's on RPD you can run into a second-floor room which is tiny and then she literally can't short blink and if she long blinks she's going to either go through the floor or into three rooms miles away from where you are.
And then you can sit there all smug as you enter a locker and she's walking around looking for you because if she tried to blink she might miss your scratch marks but obviously you're in a locker so she's lost the mind game because she thinks you're just walking around.
Then you get the potato survivors (Nerf-Callers) who just try to evade her like a M1 killer then die and then hit social media.
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That's why Bamboozle, Beast of Prey, Brutal Strength, Dissolution, Enduring, Fire Up, Save the Best for Last, and Spirit Fury are so good and over powered because Nurse can't benefit from them.
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I agree her base kit is fine it's addons that need reworked.
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Bamboozle on her is actually hilarious if you use the addon where a successful blink attack makes you move at normal speed at the price of not being able to blink though.
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Nurse vaulting alone is hilarious! Such a funny animation, that you really never see. 😂
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Theres a ton of aura perks that just dont get use on any other killer than nurse (and in lesser cases Pyramid head). Perks like I'm all ears, floods of rage (to a lesser extent), hex retribution, basically any perk that let's you see survivors through walls is limited on the fact that they would be too strong on nurse. Have devs said this? No, why would they state a killer is problematic for perk balance? But anyone with an analytical view of the game has seen it, and knows its there.
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Same could be said on locker perks with Huntress, Trickster, and Dredge; Thanataphobia on Legion and Plague; Enduring and Spirit Fury on M1 killers.. the list goes on. Doesn’t mean any of them are inherently unbalanced.
What’s your point? That certain perks work better on specific killers? If so, thank you for enlightening us all.
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Quick we better nerf Thanatophobia because Plague can apply it without even hitting a survivor.
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Nurse is the only thing that has a chance vs try hard 4 stack on comms, the most busted thing in the game, but we can't nerf that because YoU CaNt PuNiSh PeOpLe FoR HaViNg FrIeNdS. Nope just punish the poor m1 killer trying to play Myers cause he loves Halloween
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There are way more examples of this then you think. Old slinger, huntress spring to mind. Aura reading is actually busted on a lot of killers. Look at the nerf to compound 31 on blight all seeing eye on wraith. Aura reading perks on a killer that dosent need baseline gen regression perks to keep up take a lot of the challenge out and are broken. Nurse just has more time to abuse them.
Side note make your choices on hag and dredge is a free exposed effect and can immediatly be abused alongside aura reading. There are even more examples of niche perks that get very unfair within niche situations like doctor with thin long range shock with old thrill of the hunt hex builds or play with your food tombstone myers.
Also unfair busted crap like map offerings. (Balanced landing haddonfield anyone?) Med kits green speed add ons and charges. There are so many busted things im dbd thats kinda the appeal. Being analytical about dbd would give anyome a migraine at the sheer list of abuseable crap.
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If that was the case perks like DMS would not be a thing. But hey, that survivor perk that got buffed along with DMS was nerfed in a matter of a couple of weeks, DMS is still there, as broken as always on nurse and blight :)
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This right here. If anything, the lack of complaints about perks like MYC on Dredge is astounding. I’m still shocked he’s able to teleport to nearby lockers so soon after an unhook. Hag is mad.
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They don't care. They need god wannabe experience on both sides. Just like swf team that enter with 4 instaheals 4 ds etc nurse players don't care about the game and devs are giving to these kind of players the tools to completely circumvent the essence of dbd.
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