stop complaining about nurse
yes we know she's broken
but she is literally the only killer that is viable, unless a lot of maps get reworked, nerfing that one viable killer is just dumb
have you ever tried to win on the Sanctum of wrath with an M1 killer?
well let me tell you IMPOSSIBLE, the map is so wide, the gens are spread as hell, and the bamboo...is honestly so weird, some you can go through some you can't the whole point is a lot of maps need either to get cut in half or just reworked
and the only 2 killers you can play on that map is blight and nurse, every single other killer suffers in it (haven't tried dredge but i think he would suffer a tiny bit)
so stop with nerf nurse, yea ok nurse get nerfed then what, do u want killers just let you get out free everytime?
but again its not nurse that is broken, its the fact that survivors rely on so many crutch perks that when a killer that ignores most of them shows up, its considered broken, which is honestly just lame, the fact that survivors got used to having second chances and crutch perks 102% of the time is just no....
and yes she does destroy soloQ and SWF alike but again...this whole new meta is kinda just there to screw up SoloQ players more so im not sure exactly how "shifting the meta" is gonna help soloQ survivors and Killers against the unholy quadrinity
look nerfing nurse won't help anything, yes you might get sick of seeing her every game but blame the devs for making every single other killer weak as hell, not the player
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After the newest changes, nurse should get a good nerf or even better a rework.
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Wait until they confirm changes actually hitting the statistics.
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You dont need stats to know that Nurse is broken.
@Topic: Saying that Nurse is the only viable Killer is really wrong. Every Killer in the game can win against the majority of Survivors. Nobody in this forum will encounter teams which are only beatable with Nurse on a constant basis.
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Only nurse is viable vs good swf?
More like only swf is viable against good nurse.
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the only non viable ones are trapper and onryo honestly,
but to me viable is
able to be played without perks or addons
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The only way to really make other killers stronger is to nerf her though. Any general killer buffs or new strong perks (Satrstruck is a great example) end up being way too good on her
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I couldn't agree more.
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Yes stop complaining so some people can have their godmode experience to fullfill their ego
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If we talk about majority any survivors can very well win against majority of nurses anyway, not an issue.
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We need more killer S tier.
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Until they remove her range addons or make them such tiny increase that it will be almost worthless to run them, nerf some other addons here and there, no.
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I want to join the Nurse hate club but anytime someone says all killers are viable I puke in my mouth a little
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Nurse isn't the only viable killer no against a competent SWF you can do well if you play an A tier killer and play dirty.
Just watched a comp match yesterday Pinhead vs 4 competent survivors with likely 7k hours each and the killer still got a 4k.(Pinhead is B tier not even S tier still managed to win against a competent team now imagine against a soloQ team or a chill SWF)
Most SWFs you go against are not even sweaty they just want to have fun with the killer(CJ tech,Locker tech you know all this techs stuff content creators such as Ayrun or JRM do)
You keep saying Nurse is the only viable killer which is not true,she's just too strong in comparison to the others killers that still doesn't make the A tier killers worthless as they are a solid pick if you play them well enough.
Sanctum of Wrath is not even that strong of a map for survivors the RNG might fk you up sometimes but I find it's to be balanced most of the time I play an M1 killer on this map.
there are 3 maps that really makes M1 killers unplayable imo: The Game,Eyrie of crows and Fractured cowshed.
If you keep losing your games don't blame the maps,blame yourself for losing some maps are BS we all know that but currently most maps are Okay-ish.
now I agree with you that the bottom tier killers needs help and we'll see if this midchapter patch is gonna change anything Brutal strength tier 1 and 2 stacks of STBFL basekit are a tiny buff but hey it's a small step forward !
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Are you sure that match didn't had any restriction?
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After seeing some posts about "Nurf the nurse"... I don't think I'll be too rude to say: Learn how to juke her power.
I feel like people just want Hold W and camp pallets. At least she gives you some different gameplay for 1 match.
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a LOT higher, actually.
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She isn't broken (anymore).
Once you understand how she works, she isn't that much of a problem. (Unless you go a player who's got a lot more of experience than you, but that's kind of expected)
I feel the issue is more about the MMR. To many killers are too weak so average survivors end up going against high MMR Nurses and, surprise, get trounced. On more than one occasion I've killed groups with the Nurse just walking. Yeah, walking is clearly OP.
Without that extreme, I often verse survivors who haven't got a clue or persistently do the same U-turn "counter" again and again and again.
Thankfully more than half the teams I verse can play and juke me using every opportunity at they disposal. So much fun.
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When this patch goes live the kill rate will drastically increase especially in soloq, when a game will start and people hear a blink they won't even try to play, oh wait, is already like that
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they can complain while the rest of us are looking forward to the Lethal Pursuer buff that actually pretty much benefits Nurse the most so we can make the poor little survivors suffer even more /sarcasm (honestly Nurse mains why is no one talking about this amazing buff that buffs all the good Nurse perks like I am all ears/floods of rage/bbq etc)
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I was using lethal pursier long ago on her, but yeah never talked about it anywhere. =)
After I read the news, I knew that Lethal pursuer and sadako's Floods or Rage are gonna get insane simphony.
(Basically, each time survivor getting unhook from scourge hook, you're getting Lethal Pursuer on again for the same 9 seconds)
But shhh... It's a secret.😏
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As Solo when I see Corrupted Intervention with screeching noise.
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There are some more maps that an M1 doesn’t have a chance like Badham, Mother’s Dwelling, or Garden of Joy. On the topic of Nurse she is likely gonna get changed again not a rework though, so, I’d imagine two good changes are add-on nerfs and her blinks becoming special attacks, because it makes no sense that Blight doesn’t have them but Nurse does.
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It actually makes sense when you look at speed, one is 4.6 while another is slower than survivor.
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Exactly. Otz has proven every killer is viable, without perks and with a 30 second head start. So saying Nurse is the only viable killer is simply untrue and everyone knows it.
You could however say that Nurse is so broken, that once you learn her you are going to get close to a 4k every game, on average.
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Love this. I legit chuckled. I actually enjoy playing against Nurse, but still, Love it.
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When did otz proven every killer is viable against actually decent SWF?
All he did was killing lackluster survivor with all the weird restriction.
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He was doing this at high MMR and I think that's about all we need to know. There have been several streamers that have duplicated this too.
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"have you ever tried to win on the Sanctum of wrath with an M1 killer?"
As a Clown main, yes, yes I have, quite a few times :P.
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The fact he did it proves that with enough experience, any killer is viable. And remember, this challenge was duplicated by a lot of other streams.
Saying all the other killers aren't viable, when someone in fact did win with them at high MMR without perks and a 30 second head start, shows this is not the case.
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Literally no one can understand whether they are on high MMR or not, you are just trolling at that point.
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The same people, rehashing the same tired arguments that have already been addressed.
At this point I'm genuinely relieved that BHVR doesn't balance around the loudest voices because those voices lack originality, or even critical thinking. They just screech into the void, far louder than Nurse has ever screeched.
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Otz is definitely high MMR. I don't think anyone on these forums doubts that.
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Dude. The MMR isn't working. There is an extreme soft cap and population disparity that consistently causes players with 200 hours to go against players with 2000 hours. BHVR has admitted that there are issues.
Comprehend this and stop.
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Of course we can, he's not playing sweaty 24/7, he'll lose just like normal person.
And on top of it, there is a fact MMR aren't working for 99% of time, so if you seriously think his weird matches proved something you are literally wrong.
All it prove is he can casually win against some randos most of the time, and that's all.
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You don't have proof MMR isn't working and by all accounts it is working exactly as intended.
There's plenty proof of my statement, but there isn't any proof of yours. There have been tournaments where none Nurse/Blight killers have won and we know that's the best against the best. There have been a lot of streamers who have done Otz's challenge, and pretty much all the well known streamers are high MMR.
However, you don't have anything backing up your points.
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I have a proof, because dev literally said that they took que time over fair match.
The tourneys are generally heavily restricted by rules to make it balanced for every killers, it won't prove anything, and doesn't matter who have done that "challenge" when both MMR itself and matchmaking based on MMR is hidden, unreliable.
"you don't have anything to backing up your points" is not a magic word that magically validate everything you say.
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He's not salvageable, he's just glazing over reality at this point.
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I agree with the original post, Nurse is fine. The main issues DBD has is the map balance and MMR. They need to measure more in game stats to get a real idea of skill besides kills/escapes. The tiles overall are in the survivor favor. Generally speaking, it's up the survivors to make a mistake or wrong read if they get downed. The new maps are larger and larger which prevents most killers from having any map pressure. Hence the rise of camp/tunnel from killers the past year or so.
That being said, the only change suggested for Nurse i agree with is making her blink attack count as a special attack vs a basic. Besides that, she's in a good spot. Very high skill floor to play well with. Despite what survivor mains say, Nurse does have counter play.
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https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/319692/news-matchmaking-tests-results
It's literally on the forum dude, it was also on the front page of DBD when you logged in for quite some time. Reality is there even if you bury your head in the sand.
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Is that how you cope with your lack of skill?
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I wish it was just "lack of skill" tbh.
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Just nerf her broken range Add-ons, then you will see 1 person less complaining.
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She probably still has lowest kill rate, she struggle if you can break line of sight when I play her some survivors stay in the open and are predictable. Sometimes you can loop her for a long time just with 2-3 walls next to each other.
I think it's the same problem than spirit it's not very fun to play against a good one if she can guess your next moves, it's probably not OP just frustrating, if anything nerf the add ons not nurse
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The only viable killer?
So did you like practice Nurse exclusively to get good with Blinking because you have no idea how to run tiles or mind game survivors?
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At least I can see where a Nurse intends to blink, and can plan accordingly. Always. Unlike Spirit. Spirit is like Nurse on easy mode.
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Her range addons need to be nerfed to oblivion,,same as adrenaline vial / alchemist ring for blight,,Her basekit is fine but the range addons make her stupid strong
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Lmao you are so naive thinking he was playing at high MMR. Watch him playing nurse against survivors with YELLOW perks OFF META (no BT, no DS, no DH).
Definitely not on every killer.
Woah that’s beautifully said, nurse poetry 🤩
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I will always complain about nurse until something changes 😅
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It's more than that. Otz has a very nice persona and is a very good player but his analysis are consistently flawed with a variation of the Dunning Krueger effect : he is so competent he forgets that not everybody is a professional who has played thousands of hours and trains with other professionals. Test results against even the best of us "amateurs", can only be flawed, let alone against the average MMR matchmaking.
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I don't think there are many Nurse players who would be against removing the unexpected speed boost.
However having range is necessary as long as big maps exists and probably needed against very good teams ... at the moment. (We'll know more after the next update.)
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