How to win chases?
I have 500 hours, mainly as killer and i still leave most games without a kill, cause i cant win chases. I just dont understand how to outplay pallets. Its just not possible. The survivors run from pallet to pallet or from window to window and all i can do is follow them but never catch them, cause there are way to many. Destroying pallets is pointless, because there are so many, that a singe person with woo can run me the whole game and still escape, because there are just to many pallets. Any advice?
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That doesnt help at all. I watch a lot of stream and the surv in the streams never play similiar to the ones i face. They are either super bad, or gods. But it doesnt help me to improve at all
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I play every killer, i dont have a main but i prefer M1 killer. My favourites are Dredge and Legion.
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This is difficult to get into a single forum post, but watch people who are experienced killers at the game is one - Otzdarva and OhTofu for example. They both have plenty of videos on YouTube and their Twitch to watch and just generally watching their content will help you improve their game sense.
The other is to play survivor strangely enough. The better you get at survivor, the better killers you'll face and you'll learn how they counter you at loops and pallets.
In terms of basics that'll get you started - I'd say learn the 'best' way to run a loop/tile which you can find by looking up 'how to run tiles dbd' in youtube or something similar and also always keep in mind, "which is the best side to kick this pallet in".
What I mean by that is you are in control as a killer which side you kick the pallet on and therefore which side the survivor will have to be on when you kick the pallet at loops. If you kick the pallet on the side that puts the survivor on the edge of the map, you've 'zoned' them out and therefore it's harder for them to reach the next one, but if you kick the pallet facing the middle of the map as a killer, you've given the survivor the middle of the map to play with.
Also learn what are 'safe' and 'unsafe' pallets. Safe pallets are ones you SHOULD be kicking as soon as they're thrown and unsafe pallets are ones that even after they're thrown you can still get a hit in with some chase manipulation.
I'd basically just change your mentality from "I want to 4K" to "I want to get better at chases" and take each lesson a step at a time until you get good at it that you no longer have to 'think' about it frequently. Then you can move onto the more complex things like manipulating your red light mid chase to confuse the survivor.
Once you've got that nailed down it then comes down to thinking about the more 'game sense' decisions of "Do I need to abandon this chase?" which is sometimes the better choice than continuously chasing a survivor or "Should I even be starting this chase in the first place", etc.. These things come with time and practice, and I'm still learning how to be a better killer at 3k+ hours. Despite the simplicity of this game, there's a lot of micro things to learn. You'll get there with time and practice, just don't be too hard on yourself or expect too much from yourself.
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Things came together for me around the 700-hour mark. It may be wise to just wait until the next patch and forget this old version of DBD existed. Chases will be easier "in theory" due to the faster attack cooldown and survivors getting less distance after hits.
Survivors want to make you think they are going somewhere they are not and you are trying to accurately predict their next move or 2. At the really advanced levels, killers and survivors are doing "micro fakes" to make each other slip up and make the other lose time.
You must be aware of your red light and you must chase survivors in the correct directions around loops.
You also have to be willing to give up on a chase if the survivor is leading you away from generators and wasting too much of your time.
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Its just frustrating. I get t-bagged in every game, cause everyone can easily run me and i lose nearly all of my games. The only ones i actually win are the games, where someone leaves or someones kills himself. Just frustrating. My mmr is just to high and i dont even understand how. I bought dredge yesterday, but his mmr is as high as my legions mmr.
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I have fun with all of them i will keep playing all of them :D That the mmr is not different is sad but i guess i just have to play a lot of games without using the killers power to become better at looping
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MMR for new killers starts just under what your average MMR is for killers that are determined. Which means if Legion is the only killer that you've put a fair amount of points into then all your killers are going to share that MMR until you've put several hours into them. That means that you'll have to lose a bunch for it to properly calibrate, which is where your current frustration is coming from.
Also because you've been playing legion, you've basically cut down your chases that aren't free hits. This means that you're MMR with legion is probably a bit overtuned. Legion is oppressively strong until mid to high MMR.
I would say, if you want to get better pick up trapper. You'll lose a ton, but it will really help you to learn how survivors think and you'll have to improve your M1 gameplay.
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I totally hear you, knowing which direction to run tiles is one of my main weaknesses, I always get confused at the ruins which way to go. And yeah, there are video guides but honestly they’re not all that helpful to me since it’s like trying to memorize route patterns for tile setups that it can be hard to even tell which layout it is in practice as you play let alone remember to go clockwise in one setup versus counterclockwise in another.
That said there are some general things that help
- If you can picture in your head the route the survivor might go to make a fast vault, assume they’re doing that and try and steer them the other way. For instance, if a wall is L shaped with a window, chase them so they run parallel to the window’s wall when they approach it versus approaching it perpendicularly. That way they either get a medium vault or have to kind of swerve outward away from the wall to get the angle for the fast vault.
- You can often mindgame survivors by poking your redstain around a corner for a split second then walking backwards towards a vault they are running towards. A lot of times the survivors are looking back to see if your stain appears and when it does they look forward to run toward the window to make sure they get the vault. So they’ll vault right into you and you get the hit. This works great at shack and L shaped tiles for instance if you are going in the direction where the survivor is planning to make the vault right away.
- The easiest thing is mindgaming at unsafe pallets. You probably already know this but if a pallet is unsafe you can stand one one side of the loop facing so you can easily go to either side of the pallet. Then just jiggle a bit back and forth and the survivor will eventually vault, and when they do you just walk up and hit them since they have to do a relatively slower vault back over.
- The toughest loops for me are the strong buildings and when multiple ruins are chained together. Those are the ones you either just need to watch a guide and memorize the path or learn it by experience. Either way the best approach is probably to try and avoid chasing in those areas as much as possible anyway, you’re often better off not following a survivor into a really strong area and instead swapping to someone doing a gen and trying to get them when they’re more out of position. The best way to win chases is good positioning in the macro game so you don’t have to chase at tough spots as often in the first place.
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Ive learned a lot from Otz and Lionnek, the problem with the last One is that he streams on spanish, but you can ask him and he Will answer you on english.
Lionnek is close to 10.000 hours, It is worth It to check his Stream even if you don't understand, just looking him you Will learn a lot.
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