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Dead Hard was fun
Yeah yeah I know it was OP, and this is not a "bring back old DH" thread at all. But you could do some crazy DH plays, and it felt fun to do. Now all other exhaustion perks are pretty boring gameplay. Press a button you run fast, vault and run fast, get hit and run fast longer, land on your feet and be fast..fun? Not really.
So my point here is we need more perks that is fun to use as survivor, that stands out like DH did and creates some variation in gameplay, without being OP. I hope devs can be a little creative and give us somthing fun that could stay as it is.
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Fun there, fun there....boring.... boring.... boring...... I would love to read something different on these topics. Something like what happened with the DH Perk must never happen to the developers again, as the health of the game has suffered greatly in recent years.
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Well yes if they also gave survivors the ability to shoot the killer in the knee, that would be pretty fun as well.
It just wouldnt be healthy for the game.
I think there are many strictly ''fun'' perks in game like blastmine, head on, MoM, power struggle w/e. You can have ''fun'' without it being fun because its stupidly overpowered. Lets not make perks stupidly overpowered eh?
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i think the “fun” thing about dead hard wasn’t to stomp on the killer in chase. I think majority of the satisfaction came from timing the perk to get to a pallet. It was quite satisfying getting the timing right and then throwing a pallet when needed.
but yes, the perk was overpowered
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Honestly if good timing of a perk is the fun part the new version is entirely built on that.
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Can you explain more what you think has changed between the old dead hard and new, other than it being much harder to pull off now that makes it less fun? Or is it that the decrease in the timing window is not fun to try to hit?
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I have a suggestion for you. Try... DH
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New DH still is fun, versatile and even better than old DH in some situations. They just need to fix the "exhausted on the ground" thing again.
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but dh is bugged right now and almost fully unplayable. You cannot use it on pallets at all. You get exhausted on the ground although you timed it perfectly. Dont write sth when you dont play the perk now
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you try it then too maybe??
dh is bugged right now and almost fully unplayable. You cannot use it on pallets at all. You get exhausted on the ground although you timed it perfectly. Dont write sth when you dont play the perk now
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You couldn't use it on pallets before either, that didn't change. (You were able to lunge for distance before you reached a pallet before to stay out of range of a killer, but you've never been able to actually use a pallet or vault during the actual Dead Hard animation.)
And I've definitely seen plenty of people time the new version of Dead Hard to block hits so I'm not sure why you think it's "fully unplayable".
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Old Dead Hard wasn't overpowered, it was a lot of fun mindgaming back and forth how people were going to use it. I would rather go against a full team running old Dead Hard, than go against a team all running Sprint Burst, Lithe, and Balanced Landing. It's so utterly miserable having people zoom away at the start of every single chase.
I think it speaks to the state of how boring every other exhaustion perk is that I would rather continue bringing DH in its current barely functional state, than use any of them.
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it is ALMOST fully unplayable for me. and you actually COULD use it on pallets before. you just deadharded through it. now its NOT possible cause its bugged I guess... i hope!
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man, Im fully with you. The other exhaustion perks (except headon) are so boring. where is variety? where is the fun of old dh, i.e. making complete useless deadhards into the killers arms. even killers were laughing about it and respecting it.
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I've gotten pretty good at the change Dead Hard. I would say about 90% of my Dead Hard's block a hit right now. Sometimes latency messes me up.
The perk isn't dead, just requires more skill than it did.
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I've personally had tons of fun glitching into spots you're not meant to be in,DHing into a wall never ceased to be funny because how stupid it looked.
Just remembered,you also could DH into the air onto old haddonfield and fly away from the killer lmaooo
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I miss Iron Will
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Probably next perk give 50 bps for survs when they repair a gen for 80 secs or something like that. For killers another busted scourage perk that regress 30 secs of a gen if someone runs
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Pressing E to extend Chasers is fun for who actually Killers or survivors cuz I can tell for sure that it was not fun for killers pressing E requires no skill at all
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Dead Hard was fun, and not because it was an overpowered perk.
It was because it offered a different type of interaction with killers who were actually competent. They reworked it and took the fun aspect of the perk and made it into a boring dead perk.
I actually enjoyed going against the perk because unlike the SB users, Dead Hard players would at least play risky. I find survivors who play it too safe boring af.
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Old Dead Hard was absolutely overpowered. The "When are they going to use it" mindgame only actually exists !now!, because the function of denying an M1 can still be a pretty significant thing to have on your side, but using it without proper timing is actually dangerous now, where (barring DH into a wall) it was a free extension either way before.
The problem was the fact that the majority of the time, old DH was used to either cover serious mistakes in looping just by pressing E, or using it for distance when the killer had already committed a significant amount of time to the chase, leaving little to no room for actual mindgames or counterplay for the majority of killers in either situation. "I can't swing because they'll dead hard it and make it to the pallet/window, but if I don't swing right away they press E and make it to the pallet/window anyways because I can't lunge that far without coup" was the most common outcome of trying to bait it.
With Sprint Burst, Lithe, Balanced, and modern Dead Hard (as well as the others), theres actually counterplay to be had, because you can take stock of the situation and react differently. Killers can actually use their powers to deal with it depending on the circumstances, and each of these perks actually play pretty differently depending on the tile, requiring a lot more awareness to get use out of them properly.
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"Guys I can't find any fun exhaustion perk, this game is trash, also, what is Head On?"
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Yeah old Dead Hard wasn't op, it was just an undeniable second chance perk that didn't require a lot of skill and which could waste between 2 seconds and an entire chase depending on the survivor, also punished the killer for being good I guess? Yeah totally perfect balance, wasn't OP nor broken. Kappa
Also, I don't get what you mean by "mind gaming back and forth", most people, and by most people I mean players who have a brain cell would use DH in the most boring way possible (yet the most efficient one) which is get distance to get extend a chase after making a mistake.
If you would rather face 4 DH than any other exhaustion perk then you didn't play killer enough to understand the pain of facing the same ######### perks again and again used the same way.
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It was fun and effective, but it was not OP. That only became a thing after DS was ruined. It can be a popular perk, but not OP.
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I've been using new dead hard and I absolutely love it, it's so much better than old dead hard because it feels like you outplayed the killer.
Of course the animation is super embarrassing when you time it wrong and you're just dabbing for an eternity.
Old dead hard was fun for getting flashlight saves and things like that of course, but the sheer versatility of one perk (being able to avoid traps, shocks, attacks and gain distance) just made it too strong.
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tbh i like the new Dead Hard more
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That's your problem your comparing the dash part of DH to the new DH....that's the main reason they changed DH because players were using it not as a power to dodge a hit but rather as something to extend the chase to a pallet or window you normally couldn't make it too.
But no while in the animation of old DH you couldn't drop or vault pallets same for new DH during the animation you can't vault or drop.
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They said the killrate was a 2K. Seems balanced to me
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Fun... for the survivors
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Head On isn't particularly fun. It requires either coordination with multiple people in a SWF in order to get any value at all, and/or a particularly clueless killer.
I've played enough killer to realize that even four people using DH in the most efficient, boring way possible, is still a hell of a lot more fun than everyone just zooming away at the start of every chase.
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I actually find new Dead Hard a lot more fun, timing the hits feels a lot more rewarding and skillful, and now I can take hits for teammates if done properly :D!
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Not exactly bugged
It's just that the duration is shorter then the animation. Exhausted on the grounds means you were very slightly too early
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Bruh are you trying to convince yourself that the new meta is less fun than the old DH meta for killers.
Bruh
Cmon buddy friend pal, you arent fooling anybody : )
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Sure and they could balance the game and give both sides equal fun and strong perks. Instead the strongest perks are often the most boring, like regression perks on killer..fun? It does not give killers any kind of gameplay fun to use them it just gives killers more time to play.
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Just things you could do with the old DH. Like vaulting out a window, killer does the same thing and you dead hard past him during his vault animation so he runs the wrong way. No skill no but was very fun to do, and some killers knew that trick and did not fall for it. So it did create some mindgame options.
Also I've seen the "press E takes no skill" argument here also but when you bait it and make a play before using it, then it has skill behind it. Of course the new DH is the same in that sentence but I don't like when people say that DH have no skill..it can take skill depending on how you use it.
And I also want to add that me playing solo I don't think old DH was OP, rather needed when we have no game info to rely on. But on SWF groups then yeah. But they can just balance the game, give killers equal strong things also then there is no need to change perks like this.
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I enjoy my new Dead Hard far more than the old one.
Dead Hard for distance was too easy to use and even I was able to get my value out of it. Also it never felt like I was "tapping into my adrenaline". Now it feels like that and personally I think that a successful new Dead Hard is stronger than the old Dead Hard. The perk just got overall weaker because it is harder to use.
However now I feel like I did a risky play with a good reward.
Also old Dead Hard was far to common. The lack of other perks was the boring thing about it for me as a Killer.
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Surprised to see upvotes in this post. I thought no survivor in these forums used dead hard lol.
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With "crazy plays", you mean DH for distance? Running towards the killer? DH on the spot? Bc. why should the killer hit you when you are immobile standing before him, thats just ridiculous! /s
But you know the most crazy thing? You can STILL do that with new DH (apart form DH for distance, of course), just time it well!
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i also liked it as a killer. It is always a small and tense mindgame. Outplaying it felt great. DH added to game a significant and interesting mechanics in addition to pallets and windows.
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I'm not entirely sure about this but if you need to mend then dead hard has no effect, can still be used up but it wont block a hit
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If you're having trouble with that, try using the perks that give survivors exhaustion like fear monger, or blood echo. Both have helped me greatly in my chases.
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Bro, no you couldn't... If you are in the middle of DH animation, there was no chance you were pulling a pallet down. It's only after the animation is done.
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It was fun at first, then it got to a point for me where it just felt embarrassing to use. It took out the best part of chases: the input from both sides in a chase. If I press E to make it to a vault or pallet, the killer can't do anything about it and it just feels unfun.
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I agree with that in a sense as well
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no, it wasn't, period. used that perk only 1 time in all my hours on dbd... it felt dirty because this perk outplayed the killer, not you as player, so not fun for this reason
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Then you have no idea if it was fun or not using it only once. You can say the same thing about Nurse, that you don't outplay the player you just hold down a button for a while it's not fun and you refuse to play this killer, but many people thinks Nurse is fun to play no matter how dirty she is.
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Less time constraint and stress equals more fun and relaxed gameplay, no?
Killer is inherently way more stressful than survivor so more playtime instead of a constant race against the clock is more fun.
If you can guarantee that you can delete camping and tunneling.
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why is noone reading properly? You could dh through the pallet. Not using the pallet but dh through it. Now you cant use dh on a pallet AT ALL
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I dont get the animation at all. still I´m exhausted on the ground. It is bugged af
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those 2 are completely different things:
1 dead hard couldn't be baited when aganist decent people (not even good, DECENT)
2 dead hard denied mindgames won by the killers, while nurse can be still countered by exploiting her weaknesses (Los, obstacles, buildings, maps with 2 floors)
3 we are taling about dead hard here, not about nurse (there are already too many threads about her rn), am i right?
4 as i said i used only once and i was disgusted for how much strong it was, so i have a lot more knowledge that you think about that matter, it wasn't funny, period (but again this is my personal opinion, i just explained for my point of view why that perk wasn't fun at all)
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I probably miss it more than dead hard. I never enjoyed healing so it suited my play style perfectly.
I enjoyed using it a bit over the past few days but for me it's definitely dead. It's just so much worse than all the other exhaustion perks. Some of the times I get hit I just have to laugh.
I might be wrong but I believe a streamer said you can start your lunge at the same time as dead hard and hit the survivor just as it ends.
I'm going to keep trying to use it but I'm not sure how much longer I can take it 😂 just wish they let the 1 second version come to live, after the DW nerf, to see how it actually is.
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