Camping/Tunneling is fun
Can someone actually give a valid reason why we killers should not camp or tunnel when that's the best way to win? A reason that does not involve "cause it's not fun for the other side" nonsense like that? Why should we care about survivors fun when they always try to make us have bad experiences?
Edit: most people who commented still didn't give me a proper reason why it's bad for killers and only bad for survivors 😴😴😴
They are saying what I told them not to say which is its not fun for survivors...
Edit again: welp, some people have very good points, some didn't know what they are even talking about and just tried to be Albert Einstein of DBD. But I pretty much got the answer. Thanks to all the people who gave actually made good points and sense. And those who didn't and just raged and got salty, remember that it's just a game. Not life or death you survivor mains
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Please share your game id. So if we get you in our lobby, we will honour you with hard camping and tunnelling.
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Do you need a hug? Friends?
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Who is claiming that you shouldn't?
The conversation/discussion has nothing to do with you Camper/Tunneler players. We KNOW you will do it even if the devs gave you an extra 50 seconds per gen to catch someone. The feedback is for the devs to pay attention and look at how busted the playstyle actually is.
Don't worry, nobody actually cares if you do or don't have fun camping/tunneling. Go ahead and keep doing it until your hearts content. We'll keep giving our feedback.
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There is no such thing as survivors "always trying to make killers have bad experiences". That is just unrealistic.
Camping and tunneling are looked down upon because they are a pain to go against. Heck, they aren't even fun for the killer! I see no reason to use those strategies unless there is absolutely nothing else you can do to win the match.
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Most of the complaints about it in my opinion though come from a misuse of tunneling/camping accusations and misplays by survivor. Honestly though, If your wondering why and not just tryna bait the 50th argument about tunneling and camping on this forum, just go play survivor and see. Thats all there is to it. GL
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I mean I've camped and tunnelled before, I can't exactly say prolonged staring at a hooked survivor is a massive adrenaline rush but different strokes I guess
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I'm gonna blow some of your minds with this but... the most fun tactics for one side, are often the least fun tactics for the other side.
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🫂 I like to give hugs. 💛
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While I don’t really care about being camped or tunneled while playing as Jonathan or Steve on survivor cause I usually die of laughter at the killer tunneling or facecamping me as they hit me while I’m on the hook, I really hope this thread is a joke.
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Here's my reason. I will not engage in that gameplay. If a killer runs around me to down a recently unhooked person, I just follow them to the hook and exit the game by hook suicide. If the killer refuses to hook me, I just alt-tab out. I'm sick and tired of it, whether I'm the victim of it or not, it ruins the game for me. Yay I can sit on generators with nothing interesting going on or I can get downed trying to force a rescue. Either way that game is bad.
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You already have a massive victim complex, and are using it as an excuse to ruin other people's fun. There's no point in actually trying to convince you of anything.
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The major problem is, like you said, you're trying to win. THERE IS NO WINNING OR LOSING IN DBD. It's all about getting BPs. When you're "trying to win" you are literally playing by your own rules. This game is literally just about getting BPs, anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the nature of the game. Camping and Tunneling gives you hella less points than if you actually played the game correctly as killer, but some people want a "reason or condition" to play a game, so they make up their own conditions for winning and/or losing.
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You shouldn't care, the devs should care and finally nerf such an unfun and skillless strategy.
I don't know any other online vs game that has such unhealthy, unfun and skillless strategies to be so effective like tunneling and camping are.
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The majority of people don't have an issue with tunneling when it is done correctly and as a valid strategy. If 1 or 2 generators are left then yeah, tunneling makes sense and you should do it if you want to win. On the other hand, if you go for a survivor and tunnel him out while 5 gens are still up then I don't get it. People like this probably like games where one person is hooked and three other DC.
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You shouldn't have to care about other players fun, that's true. The devs, however, should absolutely care if there are unfun gameplay elements in their game. It seems that they are taking an interest in camping and tunnelling and will try and nerf it in the future. They have recently added basekit BT as a sort of band aid fix.
I would strongly encourage you to find better strategies before it is gone for good because crutching on tunnelling will only take you so far and you will struggle when you can't do that anymore.
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This is it.
I have thousands of hours in killer. If I go for the 12 hook, quickly downing each survivor, which is infinitely more skilled than the current optimal killer gameplay (hard camping/tunneling the first hook), then I will lose many more games than if I give in and skillessly camp/tunnel first hook.
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Hmm, the only thing I got from your comment is that you don't have a reason why we shouldn't camp or tunnel 😴
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I see this as an absolute win
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Who said I wanted to be convinced? I was just asking why it's bad, seems like you don't know either
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umm bud, it’s 50 seconds total. Not per gen lol
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This guy gets it 🙏🏻
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It's only logical that 3 to 4 kills is a win for killers. If it's only to gain more BP.... Then what's the point?
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I try not to camp or tunnel, I never facecamp. But I play based off the survivors. If they start banging out gens, I’m gonna tunnel somebody out, because simply if 1 isn’t dead before 3 gens pop, you probably aren’t gonna win. If I hook somebody and there’s survivors running proximity to that hook, and I know they aren’t on gens, I’m going to stay in the area and either force the stage 2 or get a trade. Sometimes we gotta do it to gain the upper hand.
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you can do whatever you want, but personally i just find those tactics not funny... ngl those tactics are also needed and despite people hate it, they did the same thing with generators (the concept is the same: both are goals that must be accomplished so people usually abuse of those tactics because they are effective)
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Well... how long do you feel like waiting for a match after hitting that ready button? Besides that, are you really winning if you do it by camping and tunneling? The real winners are those who can 4k without doing it. Survivors don't always try to make killers have a bad experience. It happens, but it isn't every match. Even still, is the answer to your previous bad match to be toxic to the next people in the new match that you have no idea how they will play? This is why this is an endless cycle.
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well yes, but actually no... i did certain matches when i did 3/4 or 4/4. playing with those tactics and earning only above 22000 bp and other matches when i didn't kill anyone but i got 30000 bp... winning isn't about bp imo (it should be in that way tho because it'll incentivize a better game, more healtier from both sides) since in certain matches is literally impossible to gain enough bp... that aspect depend only from survivors...
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I don't know why people find camping so fun... It's super boring for both sides. You just sit there... zZzZzZz...
Tunneling at least have chases for both sides which can be fun and for the killer it can be fun since you are... You know.. doing something rather than just sit for minutes on hooks... ZzZzZ...
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i had the same thought... this post is bait/troll
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I don't mind getting camped, I just on YouTube and watch vids... So I assume your point is also that is not fun for the survivors?
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Because it makes you unironically bad at killer if the only thing you can do is camp and tunnel <3
Are you good at chases? Pressuring gens? Remembering where survivors were and where they probably are now? If you only camp and tunnel, those skills probably rusted or never got polished in the first place. There is a time and place to tunnel and camp and proxying is basically always good but if you just camp and tunnel you will get results, they just wont be the best ones you could get.
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Don't you have to be good at chase to down the survivor you are gonna camp? Do survs always want use to hook each surv 3 times? With gens being done so quickly, a 4 vs 1 is not easy
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There is an If in my sentence. It was theoretically speaking.
Again, nobody is questioning your standards of what YOU think a win means or why you do or don't Camp and Tunnel. Literally nobody.
You, however, don't get to question people who are against it and why simply because you think that it's the best way to win. We don't need you to agree, because you've already shown that you aren't cappable enough to not be biased about 1 side.
The game should be balanced so both parties have an equal chance of winning. Camping and Tunneling in it's present form do not provide a fair match. Simple as that.
Like I said, keep on camping if you find it "fun". The majority does not agree with you.
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My fault, totally missed that “if”! I misread.
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Ahh okay, thx I will.
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Lol did you seriously compare getting 12 different downs and hooks in the course of the game with getting 1 down and going from there?
Yes there is a big difference. Go for a 12 hook game and then you'll maybe understand how much you need to get better at the game : )
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Going for 12 Hooks is impossible against good Survivors if you're not playing Nurse or Blight
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No just difficult, not every team is seal force 6. The point is if he goes for 12 hooks and gets only say 3-4, he will understand that maybe he sucks at chases, remembering where survivors are, which gens are being worked on w/e, all the things that would have allowed him to get a lot more.
Camping and tunneling works, they just makes you worse at the game than you would otherwise have been and when you try not camping and tunneling you'll feel like the game is impossible and incredibly survivor sided because you have no idea how to play the game.
Its a crutch, thats what crutches do, makes you bad at the game if its the only thing you can do.
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And he asked for actual, honest reasons why he shouldnt just camp and tunnel so im providing him with one : )
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What is winning for you? A 4k, getting much BP, feeling powerful, having fun?
I played Pinhead yesterday, using the addon to see my box, so i wasted much time just getting it to activate it's effect. Consequently I only got 5 hooks and all survivors escaped. Although having fun with it, I was a little down that I performed so badly, but then I saw that all players got at least 28k BPs. So honestly, is was a pretty good and fun match for all. Totally without camping / tunneling or sweating.
Sure not all games will be enjoyable when memeing around. But you also don't need to camp/tunnel all the time to have good matches. It all comes down to your expectations, what you want to achieve, what a "win" means to you. If you don't obligate yourself to a 4k every game, you will have more chill matches, at least in my experience.
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If you're getting 12 Hooks, you're going against bad Survivors, simple as.
Survivors don't need to play super competitively to deny 12 Hooks, just doing Generators whenever possible and getting 12 Hooks won't happen.
Let's agree to disagree on camping and tunneling making the player "worse". It is the smarter play 90% of the time. There's no need to play harder when you can play smarter, and that's exactly what camping and tunneling are
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If you play ''smart'' all the time you wont have any idea how to play ''hard'' when you need to : )
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There's no point in playing hard when it'll almost always guarantee a loss
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''and when you try not camping and tunneling you'll feel like the game is impossible and incredibly survivor sided because you have no idea how to play the game.''
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Idm if the killer is pressureing only 1 surv (if it's not me, lol) and just one area of the map. I still run Kindred for a reason. If the killer camps, i do gens as i know i can still get the hatch or one of the 2 gates. I do gens and hold W anyway as it's still way too easy. And OP is right, both sides don't care about the other side having fun, it got even worse with MMR. BHVR created this. Also remember how they made better Tbag animations so it feels more "enjoyable", macro flashlights and quickswitching still works etc., etc.
I don't see a difference in finishing a gen right in the killers face and camping/tunneling. Same with Tbagging and hitting survs on a hook.
And at the end, it's just both sides playing their objectives as efficient as possible. Love it, or hate it. Won't change anytime soon.
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Actually its suppose that you should only need 8 hooks on average for that 60% kill rate.
And yes, I only go for 8 hooks then last hook when last Gen done. Keeping my MMR low enough to have fun matches most of the time as killer. I dont need to try hard just to face against a group of 4 Ayrun then complain the game is survivor sided, because certainly my skill no where near my high MMR at that point.
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Edge, lord
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Camping is strong because they are allergic to kindred, they prefer to run around the hook instead of doing gens, same with tunneling, the fear of doing gens is real amd apparently tunneling is easy and a survivor buying time for others is also not a real thing. Complaining about tunneling and camping comes from a play of pure salt, merely.
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i do understand that getting 12 hooks is more harder. but you dont always have to sweat ur butt of and get a 12 hooks every game. getting 12 hooks every game is imposible. When there is a chance for anyone to get a 4k by camping with no punishment, Pretty sure they will take it.
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Now listen everyone, This man right here gave a very good reason not to camp. Be more like him. Giving and actual reason and not saying stuff that is pointless.
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EXACTLY. this guy gets it. I assume the other person 4k 12 hooks with freddy
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