Why does the Legion Trailer advertise a different killer?
Why does the Legion trailer show a completely different killer than the one we have?
Trailer Legion: Can blend in as a survivor, no terror radius, no stain, take mask on and off, deception gameplay
Actual Legion: Has Stain, has Terror radius. Zero deception gameplay. Gameplay is run at them over and over hoping to down one.
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False advertising at it's finest4
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It’s not false advertising because it was a cinematic trailer, not a gameplay trailer.
Cinematic trailers does a better job at marketing games. It allows the dev to get creative with their visuals. If I was new to the game I would be interested in playing the game (Bam! Marketing job has been accomplished).
And just like someone else mention, The Legion basically looks like the survivors.The only difference is that they wear mask.The devs definitely can play with their clothing and match it with some of the survivors.
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Intial release trailer: Dwight in a bear trap. We know what Trapper does.
Wraith Trailer: we see him cloak, uncloak and attack. We know what he does.
Hillbilly: revs up a saw and downs Meg in one hit. We know what he does.
Nurse: We see her blink around and down Nea
Halloween: we see Lori try and hide but not realize Myers is right there until it's too late.
Of Flesh and Mud: we see the hag crouched over the dirt, doing something and she attacks the camera. Doesn't show what she does but doesn't mislead either.
Doctor DLC: Pops over generator to scare Feng. Doctor is capable of doing this but not really his thing. Kinda mixed, but punishment mode can do that.
Lullaby dlc: we hear huntress humming and then throw a hatchet.
Leatherface: he revs up his saw. Do we need further explanation?
Nightmare on Elm Street: Freddy walks to camera and attacks. We hear his song. Not much but like Hag doesn't mislead.
Saw: Dwight has a RBT on his head that starts after Tapp starts a generator. Pig is seen behind watching the trap kill Dwight.
Clown DLC: we see Clown mixing chemicals together and fill up bottles with them. He picks up his keyring of fingers and leaves. Safe to assume he does something with the bottles.
Spirit DLC: We see a man pull a sword on a woman and hear him hack her to bits with the sword. Could assume that the killer is the man, but the download displays the woman in her hacked up state. Kinda mixed message but is telling a story of her origin.
Legion DLC: Legion, posing as a survivor, flees alongside David. As they both hide, David looks to see of the coast is clear, and when he turns back, Legion displays their true colors and kills David. Potentially showing that Legion can pretend to be a survivor and hide amongst their ranks.11 -
If anyone has seen the Susie concept models she kinda looks like Nea in terms of clothing0
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I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.
I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
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@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
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To build hype, and therefore.. revenue.
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While that will work in the sense of jumpscares scratched mirror Myers comes to mind.Orion said:@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
The idea of blending into survivors to trick them out is only something that is going to work against solo players, as a swf sqaud can periodically just ping their locations anything that doesn't correspond can assumed to be the Killer.
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@Aari_Piggy66 said:
While that will work in the sense of jumpscares scratched mirror Myers comes to mind.The idea of blending into survivors to trick them out is only something that is going to work against solo players, as a swf sqaud can periodically just ping their locations anything that doesn't correspond can assumed to be the Killer.
Well, for this to work, the Killer would also need to move faster than Survivors.
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I don't think so. It might happen but they actually have to ask like "dude, are you close to me?" "No" -get hit-Aari_Piggy66 said:
While that will work in the sense of jumpscares scratched mirror Myers comes to mind.Orion said:@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
The idea of blending into survivors to trick them out is only something that is going to work against solo players, as a swf sqaud can periodically just ping their locations anything that doesn't correspond can assumed to be the Killer.
Swf still people, they don't act like machines and need to confirm their location and just few seconds to make sure of it would still be enough to get a hit
Miscommunications exists too, a shape shifter or survivor like killer almost like pig but more believable would be strong af and also fun for solo and swf if made it right0 -
@Aari_Piggy66 said:
Orion said:@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.
I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
While that will work in the sense of jumpscares scratched mirror Myers comes to mind.
The idea of blending into survivors to trick them out is only something that is going to work against solo players, as a swf sqaud can periodically just ping their locations anything that doesn't correspond can assumed to be the Killer.
Offtopic but i think it needs some supernatural element which ghostface or legion dont have to make a "shapeshifter killer" work. The shapeshift ability would need to mess with each survivors hud and perception (like an invisible madness debuff), for example have every survivor look different for every survivor, AND FORCE SURVIVOR INTERACTION somehow, even with cwf interferrence.
In case of team fortress' spy he partially only works because there nromally are other enemies to be careful about. Shapeshifting killer could probably work better in a 2 killer mode or a special case like chogall in HotS.Ontopi, I think legions current ability simply isn't trialer material... Stabbing someone is something most killers do.
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It's a cinematic trailer, it doesn't have be faithful to the gameplay. If you look at the Doctor's trailer he arrives out of nowhere with no TR.
@Khroalthemadbomber said:
Legion DLC: Legion, posing as a survivor, flees alongside David. As they both hide, David looks to see of the coast is clear, and when he turns back, Legion displays their true colors and kills David. Potentially showing that Legion can pretend to be a survivor and hide amongst their ranks.Legion is shown having the ability to move as survivors, running and vaulting. That's what they do.
@Orion said:
@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
It's the opposite, it would make Myers, the Wraith and the Pig's stealth outdated.
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Anyone who's gonna buy the DLC with expectations gained only from watching the cinematic trailer aren't people who made a smart purchase.
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@White_Owl that's fine and I agree Doctor is shown improperly as well as I posted in my description of every killer trailer to date, however he's basically the only one before Legion to have done so. All the other killers, save Hag and Freddy, openly displayed at least one part of their kit, while the two aforementioned merely attack the camera.
It's something BHVR has done since the beginning so it's safe to believe that those going in blind or those taking interest in the game that are new, having heard the prospects of dedicated servers, would see the trailer and believe that Legion can hide amongst the survivor ranks.0 -
@Boss said:
Anyone who's gonna buy the DLC with expectations gained only from watching the cinematic trailer aren't people who made a smart purchase.Yeah, but the trailer was shown at the game awards, meant to make an impression on potential new players. I can remember watching the easy allies reaction and while they were impressed about the first commercial trailer with all the dlcs, the second one was called underwhelming. And on another one people assumed that killer can blend in as survivor.
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@White_Owl said:
It's a cinematic trailer, it doesn't have be faithful to the gameplay. If you look at the Doctor's trailer he arrives out of nowhere with no TR.@Khroalthemadbomber said:
Legion DLC: Legion, posing as a survivor, flees alongside David. As they both hide, David looks to see of the coast is clear, and when he turns back, Legion displays their true colors and kills David. Potentially showing that Legion can pretend to be a survivor and hide amongst their ranks.Legion is shown having the ability to move as survivors, running and vaulting. That's what they do.
@Orion said:
@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
It's the opposite, it would make Myers, the Wraith and the Pig's stealth outdated.
Actually, doctor has the ability to reduce his Terror radius to 0 with proper addons and perks. The perk he uses is also his own perk.
All of the killers you mentioned has other abilities. Myers can one shot down people, wraith has ms increase as well as 150% sprint burst, pig has ambush and her RBTs. You might argue that this killer would be superior to them but this is no surprise. After all, nurse is superior to all of the killers. Even if you compare killers in their own categories, we have billy and leatherface. Also Myers is much stronger than the Pig anyway.
You can't deny that it was a little bit false advertisement on their part. They could actually do better with his own power anyway. Stabbing multiple people, sensing them, and downing them because of deep wounds is more exciting to watch even if it is not fun to play. I have no idea why they think that this way was a good way to show their killer.
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It's false advertising.
Not marketing.
Not a mistake.
Not a misunderstanding.
Just false advertising.
You know, like what happened with Bethesda. Where they announced a quality bag and delivered a cheap plastic bag.
Only difference is, we as sheep swallow everything...1 -
Ultra rare Add on - Personal depiction - Have the option to take the visual appearance of any survivor you down.
After hooking a total of 3 collective times you gain no red stain.
Your terror radius is slightly subdued but line of sight terror radius is more intense.0 -
@Khroalthemadbomber said:
@White_Owl that's fine and I agree Doctor is shown improperly as well as I posted in my description of every killer trailer to date, however he's basically the only one before Legion to have done so. All the other killers, save Hag and Freddy, openly displayed at least one part of their kit, while the two aforementioned merely attack the camera.As I already said, the Legion is showed fast vaulting, which is their main thing.
@Delfador said:
Actually, doctor has the ability to reduce his Terror radius to 0 with proper addons and perks. The perk he uses is also his own perk.12 meters actually. If we talk about perks, Legion in the trailer could have been using Tinkerer for what we know.
@Delfador said:
All of the killers you mentioned has other abilities. Myers can one shot down people, wraith has ms increase as well as 150% sprint burst, pig has ambush and her RBTs. You might argue that this killer would be superior to them but this is no surprise. After all, nurse is superior to all of the killers. Even if you compare killers in their own categories, we have billy and leatherface. Also Myers is much stronger than the Pig anyway.I was talking only about the stealth aspect. Myers is slow in tier 1, the Wraith has only a slight increased speed at base and the sprint is barely a compensation for the fact he has to slowly uncloak, the Pig is slow while crouched and has a reduced fov, and the dash is telegraphed. Legion would basically be a Pig on steroids, with a much faster stealth and an ability to slow down survivors, not counting the ability to deny pallets and loops in general.
Don't forget that with M&A Legion can have a tr of 16 meters. For a small and fast killer that's more than enough to catch survivors off guard without some disguise ability.0 -
@PapaAndrei said:
Why does the Legion trailer show a completely different killer than the one we have?Trailer Legion: Can blend in as a survivor, no terror radius, no stain, take mask on and off, deception gameplay
Actual Legion: Has Stain, has Terror radius. Zero deception gameplay. Gameplay is run at them over and over hoping to down one.
Like, wot
because otherwise no one would buy the piece of ######### in its current state. and the devs and pr team are pulling some shady ######### thats why. its lucky for us who play the game and know the state its in are aware. but to those who are not. its dodgy sales tactics a misleading trailer of a character that is nothing like in game. shame on you devs. but we know you dont care or you wouldnt be doing it the way you do
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Its false advertising0
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@White_Owl ....yes... while posing as a survivor...0
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While I don't think the developers intend to mislead people about the killer's power with the Legion's trailer, it does seem to be doing just that. Below is an excerpt from an article written on Rely On Horror, a horror gaming website:
"The trailer showcases two survivors fleeing towards a cabin (likely a key location in the map) from an unknown attacker. Upon reaching cover, it is revealed that one of the survivors transforms into the new killer. Thus we meet The Legion, a killer whose central gimmick is the ability to disguise itself as one of the survivors."
If one site can make this kind of mistake by watching the trailer, then others surely will too, and then people will be buying a killer whose power will be not what they thought.
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@Malakir said:
Aari_Piggy66 said:
Orion said:@MojoTheFabulous said:
I assume the trailer shows the first time they are seen in the Fog or just ties in with their lore.
I don't understand why anyone would want such an absurdly weak power such as a disguise.
You think having no TR, no red stain, and still being able to attack is a weak power?
While that will work in the sense of jumpscares scratched mirror Myers comes to mind.
The idea of blending into survivors to trick them out is only something that is going to work against solo players, as a swf sqaud can periodically just ping their locations anything that doesn't correspond can assumed to be the Killer.
I don't think so. It might happen but they actually have to ask like "dude, are you close to me?" "No" -get hit-
Swf still people, they don't act like machines and need to confirm their location and just few seconds to make sure of it would still be enough to get a hit
Miscommunications exists too, a shape shifter or survivor like killer almost like pig but more believable would be strong af and also fun for solo and swf if made it right
I mean sure even against swf survivors a power like that could work occasionally. But it's impossible to deny what advantages swf survivors would have over solo survivors when versing this killer. And that's the last thing this game needs. This game can only be balanced properly once the gap between solo and swf survivors has been closed considerably.
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@TheOwl said:
While I don't think the developers intend to mislead people about the killer's power with the Legion's trailer, it does seem to be doing just that. Below is an excerpt from an article written on Rely On Horror, a horror gaming website:"The trailer showcases two survivors fleeing towards a cabin (likely a key location in the map) from an unknown attacker. Upon reaching cover, it is revealed that one of the survivors transforms into the new killer. Thus we meet The Legion, a killer whose central gimmick is the ability to disguise itself as one of the survivors."
If one site can make this kind of mistake by watching the trailer, then others surely will too, and then people will be buying a killer whose power will be not what they thought.
Oof.
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