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Is it about time to nerf Lethal Pursuer?
It’s in like 90% of builds now. Talk about new META. And all it does is add to the existing problem for solos… the game is mostly oppressive and unfun. LP just brings immediate pressure and is adding to the misery and instant quit/DCs.
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Most of killer aura perks are garbage. And probably Lethal is the best one. And it is just decent perk, it has fair counters by survivorside.
Can we really stop nerf everything? Lethal is good perk and it does not need any change.
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Don't most people who play survivor say the most fun part of the game is the chase? It really isn't a problem. Sure, it's annoying, especially if you're like me and prioritize stealth, but it only really works once at the start ,but then the killer has to play with three perks for the rest of the match. I think it's a good trade off.
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If a killer is using lethal odds are they have 1-2+ other aura perks and that means 1-2 regression perks max. Outside of nurse, who is def a problem, what exactly is OP about lethal? If you don't bring aura perks it's a one time 11 second reveal at the start of the trial, if you are bringing in extra perks to take advantage of the +2 that's less chase and regression perks so what exactly is the problem?
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oh no the killer can see me at the start
better nerf the perk
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It's honestly only problematic on high mobility killers like nurse and blight but they're problematic as basekit without any perks or addons to begin with.
I don't really understand it's value because I can always find survivors at the start of the match. Literally just look towards the gens farthest from you at the start and head towards them. voila, survivors located lol
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LMAO what
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Lethal lets the killer start their first chase early, and if they end it early enough, they may have information on where the other survivors are. That's it, perk over. I'd much rather see it than Eruption or Pain Resonance.
There are many perks that should be looked at before Lethal Pursuer, that's for sure. And survivors ragequitting is entirely its own problem.
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I do agree with Otz that Lethal is a bit problematic because whenever they design an aura reading perk from now on they will have to take Lethal into account when balancing it. Not ideal.
However, they have to do that with all killer perks because of Nurse already and they don't seem to think that's an issue so...
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The perk is fine since to get value outside of its primary use you need to build around it even if you give up only 1 more perk slots half of your build centered around auras means less gen perks which is a good thing
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People will just say straight up anything is a solo queue problem, huh.
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People should learn to not go afk the first 10 seconds of the match, idk.
I've been shilling Lethal since Nemesis released, bit now it's an issue because of 2 second aura extension?
People should be happy that killers are opting for more aggro builds.
But by all means, have a Plaything Pentimento killer instead.
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Use Distortion if you have such a problem with it. It's so easy to gain tokens, it's why they buffed aura reading and off the record and distortion at the same time.
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No
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It is really annoying when you are the surv who ends up in chase immediately, but it's a perk that has limited use and is taking up a slot that would otherwise be used for something better.
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right just run discordance, with prove thy self you get so much value. way more valuable imo than lp.
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Where there’s smoke, there’s fire. I always argued with my friends that BBQ was the strongest perk in the game. Why? Because it was extremely high usage and responsible for finding tons of survivors every game. The sheer amount of impact it had was ridiculous. Now you have most killers running Lethal every game. On the OP killers it’s a game crusher. On ranged killers and highly mobile killers it can start a killer steamrolling. Not bad for some stealth killers either. And its a perk that disproportionately hurts solos.
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Just bring distortion it negates Lp
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Smartest Jeff player couldn't agree more
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Please no, I just got it T3 on Pinhead :S
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By jove, that's it!
The perfect tagline for this thread:
"Brought to you by the folks who called BBQ & Chili OP!"
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You’re correct. And I will actually start trying it. A friend of mine swears by it. But unless it becomes meta my solo teammates wont use it and they’ll still get found and quit / dc.
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All perks are a problem in solo queue! Give us basekit 80 second BT! Basekit old DS! Killer loses all BP if they stay within 24m of hook for more than 7 seconds!!
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Yeah. You’re so oppressed.
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I really like the recent buff to Lethal.
If I were to nerf it in any capacity, I'd make it only reveal auras of survivors further than... idk, 64 meters (at the start of the trial)? Don't hold me to that number--I don't know how far away survivors usually spawn. But the idea would be that it only reveals survivors really far away and at least one survivor will always spawn far enough to be revealed by Lethal Pursuer.
I think Lethal has opened the door for killers to make more informed mind-games, and believe it is really healthy for the game.
If it is really problematic for you, bring Distortion or be deliberate in your pathing at the start of a trial, so as to confuse a killer if they have Lethal.
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I mean normally Lethal Pursuer is ran with Aura Reading perks... that is way less regression to deal with (someone already pointed this out however). Also it gets countered by running perks that counter Aura Reading. B: Shadow Step and Distortion are really good, hell, if you wanted to, you could, Idk, hope in a locker.
BBQ is healthy for the game.
It causes the killer to leave the hooked survivors to chase another survivor, or at least waste their time looking for survivors within an area. BBQ promotes an active playstyle, chasing new people and provides pressure; it discourages tunneling and camping which are seen as cheap ways to build pressure with minimal effort.
You might like to sit in the corner of the map and Self-Care while a Jonah gets facecamped by Bubba, but I prefer the opposite, I want to be chased, I want the action, I want the game to feel challenging and that I am rewarded for my knowledge and time put into the game, and most people feel the same way as me. YOU might care about stealth, but MOST people dont, and the game is designed around the vocal majority since they speak the loudest.
This is the only reasonable issue with Lethal Pursuer that should be addressed, however OP doesnt address this at all. Perks that modify other perks are often bottlenecked by certain killers existing (Nurse) or already existing perks; this often results in the modifying perk getting nerfed or the perk being modified because nerfed or less effective by launch. (Goodjob Krazzik for bringing this up btw!)
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It is a lot better now that you can regain tokens
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I do worry about LP limiting BHVR's aura perk reading designs in the future but it sucks since I like that the perk has 2 uses, it encourages build variety and actually pairing it with other perks. I'll take anything over 4 slowdowns
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LP does nothing to solo q, really.
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Lethal Pursuer is literally gimping the killer because it's either a perk that's used once and it's no longer active or they bring a second aura reading perk to get more use out of it - It's actually a really well made perk that means the killer will have LESS regression perks or other perks that survivors hate going against. It's probably one of the safest perks to leave as is right now.
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Considering how they managed to implement countless problematic perk combos and plenty of extremely strong perks for nurse, "balance bottleneck" definitely does not exist.
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Bring Distortion
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It's not about balancing a bottleneck, it's about fixing the root of the issue, Aura Reading perks are problematic on oppressive killers, so perks are held back as a result... the issue is the killers in question, not the perks.
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Killer should able to see survivors' aura at the start for like 3sec to get info where they should go instantly to start the chase.
Though 9sec can be overkill if you spawn too close to killer. You cant make gym juke when killer able to see you. But this is only op if its Nurse, Blight...and again, its S tier killers are the problem of perks balance
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Lol... No.
If they do nerf it, they will just get rid of the buff they recently gave it. There is not much else they can do to cater to your every whim.
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You certainly make a lot of incorrect and deprecating assumptions about my play style. I work. I play by the ethic “Always be doing something productive”. So I’ll ignore your irrelevant insults.
“BBQ is healthy for the game”. Let’s face the facts. BBQ is telling killers exactly where survivors are at the perfect time because… SOMETHING has to be done to prevent them from playing like tools and camping the hook. Be real. Yeah, I’m grateful for a perk that tells nurse, blight and other insanely mobile killers exactly where I am so they don’t camp.
And your amazing insights to use shadow step or just hide in a locker at game start. Wow. So I just find a totem and bless it in the first 10 seconds of the game and that will prevent my being seen in the first 10 seconds of the game. Is that how that works? And they wont see that I just got in that locker right? Because hiding in the locker prevents them seeing that. Right?
Look, Otz raised a good point about the nurse issue. But no, it’s not the only reasonable issue. If 80-90% of killers are running this (just an estimate based on my past few month or so of gameplay) there’s a reason. It helps them win games and faster is a pretty reasonable assumption.
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This seems more of an issue with the killers, not the perk.
Aura Reading is clearly not an issue on low tier killers, and again, promotes healthy play within the game. But with Blight and Nurse it suddenly becomes problematic... maybe, just maybe, it's because of the killer and not the perk. You are doing the equivalent of trying to repair a broken house, but rather than fixing the hole in the wall, youd rather fix the already perfect foundation to the house... what you are doing accomplishes nothing productive and ultimately doesnt solve your issue. You are pointing your finger at the wrong thing here.
Youre going to get better results if you complain about the actual issue of the game, Blight and Nurse, instead of complaining about the proxies, Aura Reading; youre wasting your time and energy on something pointless, and other's time and energy on something pointless.
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It's not anywhere close to being in "90% of builds". It's a popular perk but it still only has about 15% usage.
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I’d personally would rather see it’s secondary effect not stack with itself. Feels like a double dip and consumes 2 distortion tokens for literally one second of reading. Feels a bit cheap. Luckily most people I encounter oddly enough never have tier three lethal.
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That is definitely fair. I had no idea that was even a thing. Classic Behavior, am I right, or am I right?
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Off the Record is such a solid counter that you don't see the benefits of when your aura is blocked. So many times people are running OTR instead of Decisive, and my Floods of Rage or add-on map-wide aura reveals show only 1-3 survivors instead of 3 or 4. Distortion tells you when it is working, but OTR doesn't, so you don't get the same psychological reward or information.
Honestly after a bad streak of matches I swap to slowdown instead of aura reading, because that always works, where aura reads don't.
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That’s a horrible metaphor. But let me try to improve upon it - DBD is a massive fixer upper project. Fixing Nurse and Blight is like fixing the plumbing and the roof. Tweaking LP a bit is like patching a small hole in the wall. Clearly if I had a choice fixing Blight and Nurse would come way before any changes to LP. But I still think they could tweak it down a bit. It doesn’t need to last that long and also improve all other aura related perks / addons. I still think you’re onto something amazing though with that trick of finding and lighting a shadow step boon before LP kicks in. It takes a special mind to come up with that.
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I was referring to use Shadow Step to counter the increased Aura Reading duration since it increases the Aura Reading durations of all perks, but pop off I guess. Clearly you dont care the listen anyways...
I mean everyone has brought up good counterpoints but you push them aside as if everyone is forced to agree with you, a majority of people disagree with you, and it's for a good reason, maybe you should consider why...
Maybe that would be too much for you to handle since you still keep pushing a narrative that I never even said to begin with, as if it invalidates my point, which it doesnt because, ya know, you completely misinterpreted what I said. Also I would watch what you say on the forums, using language that is used to belittle those with disabilities is very distasteful (referring to "it takes a special mind to come up with that", not sure if youre aware but that is used to make fun of disabilities or people with disabilities).
You died on a hill that most people wouldnt die on, you even dug the grave to, I refuse to debate further, you are actively wasting my time at this point.
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Holy F just run Distortion if Lethal Pursuer is meta. It's an amazing counter especially since the buff. Big baby wants perks nerfed instead of using obvious counter play.
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Yeah let's nerf the perk that turns off after 10 seconds. Remove the new passive, I don't care about that tbh
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Just delete nurse and problem is solved.
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guess they should nerf self care because i still see it being used
are you secretly a bhvr dev
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Me on Dredge lolol
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Friendly reminder that Distortion is a perk.
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