What's the Bloodhound Legion counter?
All thoughout the ptb, I've heard nothing but how Legion is the worst killer next to Freddy. But I played Legion for the first time today and I seriously have never finished chases faster. The first hit is easier than normal to get cause of Frenzy, and then you just break chase and follow blood trail with bloodhound without initiating, and then they go down faster than it would take to get a 2nd hit with a normal killer.
There's 2 possibilities. Either no high rank player has discovered this strategy that was completely obvious to me. Or there's a counter to it that I have not run into yet. But all the discord servers I ask on seem unable to tell me what the counter is. I find it difficult to believe that I thought of something that top players couldn't figure out on their own. So what's the counter to Bloodhound Legion that I haven't run into yet?
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This issue here is that Legion has the movement speed of a snail in frozen molasses. Any good survivor can keep you running around the map for 5 generators to get done. Even if you frenzy again you have to hit 4 times to get a single down. Just wait until you play against decent players... seeing blood won't help you.
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@folterung said:
This issue here is that Legion has the movement speed of a snail in frozen molasses. Any good survivor can keep you running around the map for 5 generators to get done. Even if you frenzy again you have to hit 4 times to get a single down. Just wait until you play against decent players... seeing blood won't help you.You do realize how deep wound works, right? They can only run from you for a limited time period. Which is generally shorter than it takes a normal killer to get a 2nd hit.
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Do you mean just staring at the ground following the blood so you don't start a chase? mUsT TRy
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@blue4zion said:
Do you mean just staring at the ground following the blood so you don't start a chase? mUsT TRyyeah, Bloodhound makes them ridiculously easy to follow without initiating chase. Which other people must have realized by now. But for there still to be so many complaints about Legion means there has to be some kind of counter to it that I haven't run into and nobody has told me about.
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@Dehitay said:
@blue4zion said:
Do you mean just staring at the ground following the blood so you don't start a chase? mUsT TRyyeah, Bloodhound makes them ridiculously easy to follow without initiating chase. Which other people must have realized by now. But for there still to be so many complaints about Legion means there has to be some kind of counter to it that I haven't run into and nobody has told me about.
10/10 only way to play legion
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@Dehitay said:
@folterung said:
This issue here is that Legion has the movement speed of a snail in frozen molasses. Any good survivor can keep you running around the map for 5 generators to get done. Even if you frenzy again you have to hit 4 times to get a single down. Just wait until you play against decent players... seeing blood won't help you.You do realize how deep wound works, right? They can only run from you for a limited time period. Which is generally shorter than it takes a normal killer to get a 2nd hit.
Deep Wounds doesn't tick down during chase, I don't think you know how it works.
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@Blueberry said:
Deep Wounds doesn't tick down during chase, I don't think you know how it works.
Did you even bother reading the post? Or did you just charge in with a close minded agenda?
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In my opinion it’s not that high rank killers can’t figure out how to use it. It’s just because of how toxic survivors are at the higher ranks. When you are playing Legion it takes time to get used to. And bloody hell, countering a 360 while in frenzy is very hard when you’re playing a killer for the first time.
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@Dehitay said:
@Blueberry said:
Deep Wounds doesn't tick down during chase, I don't think you know how it works.
Did you even bother reading the post? Or did you just charge in with a close minded agenda?
You realize how much time he would have wasted in the scenario you are talking about and how unrealistic that is to actually be "good"?
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Also, as someone who cannot play wraith at all, I don’t actually have bloodhound as a teachable. I believe many people may be the same.
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@Blueberry said:
You realize how much time he would have wasted in the scenario you are talking about and how unrealistic that is to actually be "good"?
If by waste time, you mean get the down, then yes, about 15 or 20 second which is significantly shorter than how I get the 2nd hit with most other killers against skilled survivors. And if by unrealistic, you mean something that's worked every single time I tried it except when I get distracted by another survivor, then it's actually "good".
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All they have to do is counter the EXACT same way high ranking survivors do with Pig's RBTs: pop into view for a moment and then get in a "chase."
There also seems to be an issue with blood lately of just vanishing for no apparent reason. I'm not meaning it's been the proper length of time. I mean literally POOF Dance With Me levels of gone.0 -
@Khroalthemadbomber said:
All they have to do is counter the EXACT same way high ranking survivors do with Pig's RBTs: pop into view for a moment and then get in a "chase."There also seems to be an issue with blood lately of just vanishing for no apparent reason. I'm not meaning it's been the proper length of time. I mean literally POOF Dance With Me levels of gone.
Admittedly, that does counter this strategy, but popping into Legion's view when they're looking straight down means running into stabbing distance while they're not in feral frenzy which just shortens the down time even more.
Inconsistency with blood however could be a problem if there's a known way to take advantage of it that I don't currently know about.
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@Nokillerinozone Oh I wish there were a LOL button still... Unless you're brand new to this game, Legion is at levels below even Freddy. The newest low tier isn't F, it's L.
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@Dehitay said:
All thoughout the ptb, I've heard nothing but how Legion is the worst killer next to Freddy. But I played Legion for the first time today and I seriously have never finished chases faster. The first hit is easier than normal to get cause of Frenzy, and then you just break chase and follow blood trail with bloodhound without initiating, and then they go down faster than it would take to get a 2nd hit with a normal killer.There's 2 possibilities. Either no high rank player has discovered this strategy that was completely obvious to me. Or there's a counter to it that I have not run into yet. But all the discord servers I ask on seem unable to tell me what the counter is. I find it difficult to believe that I thought of something that top players couldn't figure out on their own. So what's the counter to Bloodhound Legion that I haven't run into yet?
The time it takes you to do that and track with bloodhound any other killer could have just tapped the person again.... I mean essentially you're really wasting your own time which means....survivors can just do gens as you wait for the bleed out? And don't think I'm some noob I've tried this strat before, its meh....considering how slow he moves in the first place.
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The thing with bloodhound Legion is that it's not how they are supposed to be played or meant to be. And It's a very cheap tactic. It's like the pig crouching behind you while your RBT: Pig is countered by the amount of time it takes for the RBT to get off.
BH Legion on the other hand takes, I think, around 30s to down someone that way. Maybe longer if you consider, that people could stop the timer last minute by mending. It's probably faster and reliable in some way. Enough time for a gen to be almost popped. On the other hand an SWF team might counter it with a bodyblock, considering, that you might have to look down or away from the survivor. But not sure with that.
It's really just another design flaw of the Legion.0 -
@Dehitay said:
@Blueberry said:
You realize how much time he would have wasted in the scenario you are talking about and how unrealistic that is to actually be "good"?
If by waste time, you mean get the down, then yes, about 15 or 20 second which is significantly shorter than how I get the 2nd hit with most other killers against skilled survivors. And if by unrealistic, you mean something that's worked every single time I tried it except when I get distracted by another survivor, then it's actually "good".
Any survive with friends group will just abuse you by pulling you in 4 different directions and without the ability to actually down them they will just peel and mend. It really seems like you haven't played any "good" survivors. Just go watch twitch and see how the streamers get abused by SWF. I suppose you could tunnel but that will lose you the game in about 5 minutes (less if they are hitting great skill checks every time).
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@folterung said:
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Any survive with friends group will just abuse you by pulling you in 4 different directions and without the ability to actually down them they will just peel and mend. It really seems like you haven't played any "good" survivors. Just go watch twitch and see how the streamers get abused by SWF. I suppose you could tunnel but that will lose you the game in about 5 minutes (less if they are hitting great skill checks every time).
I love how you simultaneously say that swf will group and pull me in 4 different directions and that they'll end the game faster which means they'll magically be doing generators while pulling me off my target. Btw, while I'll full admit that them grouping to throw me off trail will easily cause me to lose my target, the time gained by delaying the down is countered by t he time lost not working on gens. And if all 4 of them are doing it, that just makes it easy to put all 4 of them in deep wounds and start a new chase while 3 have to mend before returning to gens or distracting me.
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@Dehitay said:
All thoughout the ptb, I've heard nothing but how Legion is the worst killer next to Freddy. But I played Legion for the first time today and I seriously have never finished chases faster. The first hit is easier than normal to get cause of Frenzy, and then you just break chase and follow blood trail with bloodhound without initiating, and then they go down faster than it would take to get a 2nd hit with a normal killer.There's 2 possibilities. Either no high rank player has discovered this strategy that was completely obvious to me. Or there's a counter to it that I have not run into yet. But all the discord servers I ask on seem unable to tell me what the counter is. I find it difficult to believe that I thought of something that top players couldn't figure out on their own. So what's the counter to Bloodhound Legion that I haven't run into yet?
There is none and this is one of the most important problems with this new killer.
You can be very unskilled killer against very good survivors but survivors don't have any chance to not go down against this killer. You will always get hooks no matter what.
On the other hand, this killer doesn't have any ability to punish survivors for their mistakes. For example, if you see 3 injured survivors near each other as Nurse or huntress, the game is pretty much over. This new killer has 110% ms and even if the survivors make these kind of mistakes, he doesn't have the ability to slug end the game etc.
While there is no way to not go down against this killer, you can counter him by simply splitting up and gen rushing. He will get his hooks but he won't be able to end the game properly at least against good survivors.
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@Dehitay said:
All thoughout the ptb, I've heard nothing but how Legion is the worst killer next to Freddy. But I played Legion for the first time today and I seriously have never finished chases faster. The first hit is easier than normal to get cause of Frenzy, and then you just break chase and follow blood trail with bloodhound without initiating, and then they go down faster than it would take to get a 2nd hit with a normal killer.There's 2 possibilities. Either no high rank player has discovered this strategy that was completely obvious to me. Or there's a counter to it that I have not run into yet. But all the discord servers I ask on seem unable to tell me what the counter is. I find it difficult to believe that I thought of something that top players couldn't figure out on their own. So what's the counter to Bloodhound Legion that I haven't run into yet?
you are playing against bad players.
He is worse than freddy against good players.
With freddy you can at least sleep and mind game that first hit and chase as 115% killer for the second hit.
As legion you find someone, hit someone twice with frenzy and you're ######### if you want to swap targets.
Mending takes no time at all, its around 12 seconds.
No healing perks track it.
You have to rely on idiot survivors grouping up to be effective.
Also, freddy downs in 2 hits, legion downs in 3 hits WITH A PURPLE ADDON!
Overall the time from chase to DOWNED is SUPER HIGH on the legion if you need to down someone asap.
The difference is so high it's laughable.
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@Dehitay said:
@folterung said:
This issue here is that Legion has the movement speed of a snail in frozen molasses. Any good survivor can keep you running around the map for 5 generators to get done. Even if you frenzy again you have to hit 4 times to get a single down. Just wait until you play against decent players... seeing blood won't help you.You do realize how deep wound works, right? They can only run from you for a limited time period. Which is generally shorter than it takes a normal killer to get a 2nd hit.
all they have to do is START the mending before they get downed and it will be fine. there are no skillchecks on mending and the progress is saved.
if the killer swapped targets, you will get mending off NP
if he is still chasing you, you just loop him like any other 110% killer til he gets his power charged.
he is stupid easy to loop and waste time against.
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@Dehitay said:
@folterung said:
This issue here is that Legion has the movement speed of a snail in frozen molasses. Any good survivor can keep you running around the map for 5 generators to get done. Even if you frenzy again you have to hit 4 times to get a single down. Just wait until you play against decent players... seeing blood won't help you.You do realize how deep wound works, right? They can only run from you for a limited time period. Which is generally shorter than it takes a normal killer to get a 2nd hit.
that is not how it works.
timer is paused in a chase, they are effectively just injured if you aren't in frenzy mode.
if you are in frenzy mode, they are effectively healthy until you hit them enough to drain the bleed out timer to 0, which is 4 hits base, 3 hits with an addon.
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@Nokillerinozone said:
Fr, people complain Legion is weak but he's honestly OP.lool what? op vs noobs maybe
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There are ways to hide blood though, even against Bloodhound. Tall grass works best. Some maps have bloody floors you can use (Game, Cowshed). You can also backtrack, which most killers won't pick up on (especially if you don't actually have visibility on the survivor). No Mither doesn't leave blood. If someone else body blocks you for just a second or so, enough that you don't react immediately, they can get you to lose the other guy. There are ways to beat it I'm sure.
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Wanna counter bloodhound legion. Well isnt it obvious. No mither. You leave no blood stains and your grunts of pain is reduced. You wanna really screw legion player go iron will no mither with spine chill and sprint burst congratulations legion has been defeated before the game starts.
Other then that have other players who are injured muddy your blood with theirs so he has to guess which tracks to follow. Legion is bad killer not weak or strong he is fundamentally poorly designed and his power should have never been anything beyond a free hit and slow the game down. Bhvr you tried to make him more reliant on his power and now hes cheesing survivours with his power to get downs by looking away from the survivour that's not even time efficient.
Now we do it the communities way give him his 115% ms make mending stop the timer ticking down and move on. It will still be fun to tag a bunch of survivours but his main means of downing sould be actually mindgaming opponets around loops and pallets.
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