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Is Working With The Opposite Team Always Bannable
So according to the rules working with the opposite team is reportable and it's under griefing, but what if that's not what's happening? There were 4 scenarios I wanted to ask about...
1: A teammate is purposely blowing gens, body blocking survivors into corners, not helping and going out of their way to teabag, not unhooking someone but starting the animation to grief. If survivors are practically trying to work with the killer (and I hope I clarified I don't mind simply playing selfishly) is it bannable for the survivors to work with the killer to get them out and get on to a normal game?
2: A survivor is clearly or subtly hacking and the other survivors can tell so they body block and point out the survivor's position to get them killed.
3: (Usually only works on the killer's side). The player needs a challenge or an achievement so instead of playing normally they are friendly so the survivors will let them meet their goals.
4: On that note can you get in trouble for holding a hacker hostage?
Sorry if this was a dumb question but it's something I think about at night, especially watching videos of some really popular players going against real griefers and hackers. Thank you everyone for reading! ^^
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Scenario 1 : I don't know... If a survivor is griefing, I think other survivors are mostly expected to just stay out of their way and let the killer decide what to do with them. I personally wouldn't report a survivor for sandbagging an established griefer, but some others might. I personally just stay out of their way. I'd say killer generally notices and deals with it in their own way.
Scenario 2 : Not bannable. Working with killer to drive out (blatant) hackers is okay. I have before, along with the 2 other non-hacking survivors.
Scenario 3 : Not bannable. Farming is completely fine as long as every participant consents to it. For example, slugging a player to farm them or prevent them from leaving while you're farming with others, is bannable (refusing to participate in the game normally + griefing). Leaving the survivor who doesn't want to farm to do their own thing while you're playing around with the others is okay : you're not preventing them from progressing the game and leaving if they don't want to stay.
Scenario 4 : I have no idea !
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I feel like NONE of these should be bannable, especially #3. But I don't make the rules.
That said, I appreciate the Felix and Claud earlier that let me farm my three chainsaw hits on my Milkman Billy.
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About the 4. Those things called reportable because you have to report them. Only after reporting and providing evidences this case will be on review.
So holding player hostage is reportable but the player has to record that and report you with proofs of... him cheating. That's why they don't do that, and that's why no one can ban you for that. But if this guy act innocent and record you holding him hostage, bhvr can legally ban you. Report is here, proofs is here, voilà. That's why it's important to record hackers and report them, especially if you go out of your way and break rules (formally, but) to help. In that case, I think, bhvr will admit your actions as reasonable.
Same with second. What if the survivor is not subtle, innocent? Or what if no one reported this hacker, but the hacker was able to record you sandbagging them? What if they will report you for that? You have to report them and provide proofs, and maybe, even if they really innocent, bhvr won't punish you for good intentions unless it's your daily routine to sandbag people and report them to be "safe". And maybe not. Maybe this IS subtle cheater but your proofs won't be enough, and you'll get banned for your actions if they report you in response.
Anyway, it's better to not violate the rules even with good motives. Report cheaters and griefers, record evidences and be careful.
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The only real application of this rule is when the killer and survivor explicitly and premeditatedly enter a trial with the intent to work together.
Farming to complete challenges is not bannable. For example, if I see someone trying to complete a glyph, I wait until they're done to hit them. 100% okay. Even farming for bp isn't bannable.
Holding people hostage is a slippery slope, even if they're hackers. If they get a video of you holding then hostage and report you, all BHVR support is going to see is you holding someone hostage.
But helping the killer kill a hacker I'm fairly sure isn't bannable, because you didn't go into the game with the intent to help the killer kill them.
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Scenario 1 could be bannable possibly, it could fall under the Griefing bullet point below
Working with the opposite team to gain an advantage or grief teammates
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You could long long ago. Killers and survivors doged lobbies to find each other and it was possible to be done.
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- If a survivor purposely making the game unwinnable or unplayable to other survivors - bannable. Working with killer to get down other survivors - bannable. You have to have an evidence of that.
- Hackers (cheaters) are not players. If you play online game with cheats, your reports have no meaning. If survivors have a cheater in their team, don't report them for helping you (if you're a killer).
- Farming, doing archives or achievements are not bannable.
- Read point 2.
If you want argue about cheaters, feel free. =)
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1,2 - Technically, probably yes. But remember - moderators are also human and would be extremely unlikely to ban you in this situation.
3 - This is completely fine. The killer has the final discretion as to how they want to treat survivors - they can be very merciful or utterly ruthless and both options are fine.
4 - Yes, probably. Just report them.
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