Whats with the toxic end game?
So there I am. I'm playing a game of dead by daylight as the killer. The survivor team is doing ok but due to some mistakes on their part I'm able to 4k the team with 1 gen left.
I'm sitting here thinking "Man that was a great game. fair matchmaking, survivors weren't playing sweaty and it was an all around fun game" So i hit them with the GG well played <3 in the post game.
What do i get back.
"What a trash killer"
"Baby killer omg"
"Nice camping" (usually when I haven't camped or tunneled)
Why is it whenever you have a good game as killer that the survivors come back with insults like "your trash" or "baby killer" despite you 4king.
I get that they are mad they lost but come on. how hard is it to either say GG then go next or not say anything and go next.
And its not just survivors that do this. On the rare occasion I play survivor i have seen countless killers come back with the ole "EZ 4k" or "get rekt"
Like this is a video game. It aint the most balanced or fair video game granted but at the end of the day no matter how the game went it is just a game.
Now sure. if a survivor or killer purposly went out of there way to make your game literal hell then give them some grief post game but 99% of the time its a normal game so if you lose accept it and move on.
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Endgame chat sucks, especially as killer. Hide it and ignore it unless you're in a good mood and want someone to put a damper on it.
Let us disable it completely and delete the whole button. Also, for the complete opposite type of players, let us disable the profanity filter. That would be a good update. Toxic people can enjoy not getting censored, normal people can disable chat.
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The profanity filter is stupid imo. Have a way to actually report racist players and overly agressive sure but why filter text in a 18+ game.
I mean the filter is out of control. You can't say Deathslinger, moried, teabag, and i believe even GGWP gets filtered these days.
I know a few survivor names are filtered aswell especially the non english names like feng min
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My favorite one was a game with less than 5 hooks for me and over in less than 10 minutes and they give me GG.
I answer "not for me" and that kick lose an avalanche of toxicity. "Then go FCK off", "trash killer" and so on, the full package (without suicide or other extreme stuff).
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Not even limited to killer vs survivor.
Had a game today where a dwight sold me out at the end, getting us both killed, and then trash talked me for supposedly doing nothing the whole game, only hiding in lockers. Guy had 25k BP, I had 24k BP. If I knew how to get that many BP by just hiding, I would do that all the game, honestly!
Why did he claim I would be hiding in lockers all game? Bc at the start, when I was chased by the killer (Pig) and was out of options, I jumped into a locker, so the pig would grab me, but I wouldn't get a trap. And then at the end, when the game was already lost, I fetched my white glyph and brought it into the basement. Thats all the "evidence" the dwight had for me doing "nothing".
Some players are just so out of touch with reality in post game chat, it's astonishing.
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Sorry you're only seeing that :/
It might be an mmr bracket thing, where you're at a place where people are all sweats and salt ? I very rarely see such awful endgame chats as killer... I've met several friends that I swf with now by playing killer and bonding in the chat. Generally, in both roles, I tend have mostly nice chats.
If you need to recover some faith in survivors, here's our endgame chats yesterday. :)
(Both first killers in yellow, last in orange)
(Pig got a tight 2k after a very late first hook (almost 3 gens in), almost made a big comeback because we were dumb and trying to rescue)
(Doctor only got 2 hooks in the whole game, kinda gave up defending the gate in the end, 4E)
(Got 4K'ed by a Susie's Mixtape Legion)
Players being nice in endgame chat is a thing, it can just be quite rare sometimes :(
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And this is why I personally don’t tell the opposition GG when they lose. I’ll let them say it first if they truly believe it was. Too many people have turned what was once a heart-felt sentiment of sportsmanship, into something toxic. Now we never know when someone is being an a-hole or sincere. I definitely don’t get the “GG” when one side gets destroyed. That makes no sense. Obviously it wasn’t a “good game” for the side that got creamed. It’s ok to not say anything at all, when you kick butt. In my opinion, that’s more sportsmanlike (unfortunately) in today’s toxic gaming world.
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Yeah from my experience in my much mentioned experiment 10% are toxic or nice each and the rest is either silence or the rare GG's and even those come majorly when i hard lost.
So i gave up saying anything if the opposition doesn't start the conversation with some obviously neutral or nice.
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Don't get me wrong I also have a fair share of nice interactions post game. Especially with TTV streamers (mostly anyway)
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I've had that happen to me, except the killer let the rat farm me and then escape through hatch... if only we could report video evidence...
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Well, countless time we get "swf sweathards" even though we aren't sweathards at all, we just chill and do stupid things. So even if it was super fun game for you, you don't know how was it on the other end. Maybe someone was annoyed by you because was lucky enough to meet you every possible time. Maybe the person was trying to make an archive and failed. Maybe it's their 30d attempt to do that. Maybe it's their 50d game without escape. Maybe you performed not so well but capitalised couple small mistakes and got "undeserved" win.
Like, yeah, the matchmaking was so fair you did 4k. Fair (as far as I know) is if it's close 2k with variations of 1k or 3k. You even was soooo good person you posted a hart emotion for destroyed people. How nice of you to do that and expect other side to "just say gg or say nothing", how was your "gg well played <3" different from "gg ez 4k"? They did mistakes and died, all of them, was it well played really? Honestly? You destroyed survivors with feeling "ah, it's so cool, they aren't sweaty, it's much easier than could be!" and expect what exactly by typing smth like that?
I mean, that's sarcasm but only partly. Because...
>> Why is it whenever you have a good game as killer that the survivors come back with insults like "your trash" or "baby killer" despite you 4king.
Because, having good, not hard, not sweaty 4k for you sometimes (and most times) feels completely unbeatable for survivors. They were sweating their asses (and you didn't even notice) and achieved nothing.
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>> Now sure. if a survivor or killer purposly went out of there way to make your game literal hell then give them some grief post game but 99% of the time its a normal game so if you lose accept it and move on.
99% of the time what you feel normal isn't normal for others. They feel you easy, hard, tryhard, sweat, not-sweat, dumb, cheater, newbie, swf, and so on. Like why do you complain about "get rekt"? It was normal game, just accept you lose and move on. No? Why? Why do you care about that? How hard it is to just type gg and move on?
You can stay in white coat on the table asking people "but that was a good game, why do you pissed off by my gg, it's a game!" and then asking other people "yeah, you destroyed us, why the hell you mock us after game too with your gg ez??" and see no connection between those two questions. But the truth is: people have feelings, those feelings are different, and no matter how game-ish this game is, people love it and love wins and don't like to loose. They are invested and have passion and this fact itself is cool despite all downsides.
And with current balance and hoe different people are it's super hard to have match where both sides feel it balanced and cool. If you really want to reduce toxicity in community (not ask why is it here but make smth), you should think not only about yourself and your personal impressions of the game.
Countless times I was nearly pissed off by the game and sweat killer but their "gosh, guys you were SO hard, I had to sweat myself to compete with you, nice chases Kate btw" get me cooled.
Countless times I had felling it was nice good game, 4k with all gens, cool chases, killer won and it was deserved, and right before "gg killer, you're good, thanks for playing fair" I read "die bastards, EZEZEZEZEZEZEZEZEZ". Why? Well, this game wasn't really good and balanced for them, I suppose. They did well. Did they feel that way either? I guess, not. It's not their fault. I still sent my message. Turned out, our killer is a nice person who can talk in civil way. He said gg after that.
iT's jUsT aGaMe argument doesn't work here, really. Those people for whom "it's just a game" argument works play it 2 hours a day, 3 times a week. They don't have hundreds and thousands hours, and all those people with hundreds and thousands of hours like this game, they want fair games and sometimes they are sad, frustrated or unlucky because of the game and its imperfection.
The moment you accept other people have feelings (and have their rights to feel those feelings no matter how small and unimportant their hobby looks for you) those toxic messages become 1) less toxic by default 2) more understandable. And the moment you get this idea, you 1) find your way to chat with people without frustration, 2) won't have reasons to ask why people are toxic anymore.
Like, yeah, some people are toxic, but don't you really understand how is it work for humans?..
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Yeah.
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Well i just wanted to find out what goes thru peoples minds when they are toxic just because they lost the game but sure
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Thru minds goes exactly that.
This killer with "gg ez", they didn't loose the game, no? It's 4k for them. Still, they are toxic. And moreover, you are concerned about their toxic message for you. Who do you even call it toxic? Why are you so frustrated about that? Wasn't that 4k? Wasn't that an easy game for the killer? They told the truth, no? You could accept your lose, say gg, move forward, forget and don't recall that situation, but here we are, discussing why survivors feel bad getting gg after loose.
If it was "just because" people wouldn't be toxic. It's never "just because". There is always a background, either hard boss with unreasonable requirements or hard teen-ages or sequence of unlucky games or anything else. And you don't really have to imagine bosses and teen-ages to understand that, sequences of unlucky games should be enough. Just like I said, those good games of you can't be equally good for others.
If they "just <..> lost" they write smth like HugTheHag showed.
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