What the 4Ks Today Had In Common
Today was kind of rough. I played solo queue and I had 9 losses out of 14 games with all but one ending in a 4K for the losses. What all the 4Ks had today in common though was one of two things:
(a) The last survivor or last two survivors left hadn't been hooked; and/or
(b) Survivors were left to second stage (mainly me as the only reason I don't prevent second staging is if it's impossible to prevent)
It doesn't matter if you haven't been hooked at all if the rest of your team is dead; you still die on the next hook.
Similarly, if you let someone second stage they become very easy to tunnel out and then your chance of escaping is less.
So, and this is only for the survivors that fastidiously try to avoid taking hits or being hooked, your chances of survival rise the longer your teammates are in the game. If someone on death hook is being chased and you haven't been hooked get between the Killer and your teammate. Overall, you will find you escape more.
I'm not blaming the Killers for camping and tunneling; that's BHVR's job to fix and my wins were also against Killers who mostly tunneled and camped. The difference is survivors hook trading and taking hits.
If you don't take hits or hook trade please consider it. You may find you escape more overall.
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also, permanent cleansing against plague on maps like swamp
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Just as I thought. It involved cheating out hook states, because there's no time to get 12 hooks or even 10. And I'm assuming these weren't landslide matches for you either, as in there was 1 or no gens left when the final person was sacrificed. Imagine if you spread the hooks out, as you might have done in your list matches. There'd have been 3 and 4 escapes each time. Camping and tunneling is a shortcut that you have to take against good survivors, because otherwise you literally won't have enough time.
Some people think you don't have to 2-hook and 1-hook people, that you'd have more pressure going after everybody than camping til 2nd stage. I recently heard someone say that hook trading is in the killer's favor: yes and no. If you hook trade, you're getting another hook, but even if it's a Pain Res hook or something, nobody is dead still. So it happens 2-4 more times, nobody's dead, and then the gens are done, because what smart survivors do is push gens, wait til the last second, and get the survivor off hook even if they hook trade. That scenario is more beneficial to survivors than letting someone hit death hook earlier, because nobody's dead and everyone can push gens til the last possible second before they go for the unhook. The gens will get done from that happening. If they're not, the survivors are doing something wrong.
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I honestly believe the players who need to hear/read this are not on these forums. I have a theory that a LOT of little kids play this game.
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One thing I gotta add, if you are a survivor and you unhook and the the killer is coming back to the hook. You do not hide. The unhooked survivor can't hide because they are injured. TAKE AGRO OR THE UNHOOKED SURVIVOR WILL BE TUNNELED. There is only two times I tunnel when I come back to hook and the unhooker is no where to be found or two the unhooked survivor is trying to force bt/off the record.
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Yeah I had this game that was just mindboggling. Was against a GF, one survivor dead (let go on hook), 2 of us hadn't been hooked once and 1 of us had been hooked once. I got downed and first hooked, 1 gen to go. I felt for sure the 3 of us could get out. The other survivor who hadn't been hooked once finds herself a gen and ignores me. Other survivor gets downed, is second hooked. Survivor on gen still ignores us. I go to second stage, gen survivor is Exposed suddenly and downed a second later. Cost us the game.
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I've been running reassurance all day to help my fellow survivors. If I notice them being camped I go use it on them then lure the killer away so someone else can rescue. Most of the time there is one other survivor near by but if not then I risk it. However on my end I always get to 2nd stage cause alot of my matches my team sticks with gens to get their points. Not just killers its also on survivors side too.
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It's important to examine the "why" of it too. This can happen when one or two survivors have very good positioning and the other survivors don't. This happens to me a lot. I'm not going out of my way to avoid chases or be stealthy, but I'm also not going to play poorly because everyone else is. I leave gens early and pre-position a couple tiles away if my gen isn't close. That's what a survivor should be doing. But then I end up not getting chased some games while my teammates stick out like sore thumbs and give the killer free hits.
I'll take hits and take aggro, but I can't force the killer to commit to me. And killers prefer poorly positioned players over ones pre-positioned at a jungle gym.
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9 times out of 10 the killer B-lines it for the unhooked anyhow. "Take agro" doesn't work like that bud. Killer mains usually tunnel out someone so they can put more "pressure" on the rest.
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They can but if the person is on death hook you can stay between the Killer and the unhooked person up to and including the Killer downing you. You are running the risk that the Killer may down both of you bit, for me anyway, the unhooked survivor nearly always gets away.
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Yeah, my solo queue games have been pretty rough too. I think a lot of it is because it's an event so a lot of very occasional players come out and, understandably, their inexperience leads to mistakes.
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9 out of 10 times is most definitely an exaggeration. I have been tunneled once in my 44 survivor games this month. I know it's different for everyone, but this idea that all killers tunnel every game is just not true. It does happen often but no where near as much as people think.
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My experience is the same as yours. I do suspect though, that things like camping and tunnelling might be a more regional thing. And MMR related too. I think there are different attitudes around gaming in general in different countries. I'm in Australia and honestly, sweaty games are few and far between for me. I played about 20 or so games all up over the last few days and there was only one camping killer, who camped from 5 gens (he was P36 too which surprised me), and two killers who tunnelled - I was tunnelled once, and another survivor in another game. Not enough for me to be bothered by it.
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I'm NA, so I would imagine the region that has all the tunneling and camping must be EU. And I really think tunneling one person out of the game from the start is the only tunneling in the game. At least a decent amount of people think their being tunneled when they are not.
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This is precisely why I've been rocking BT+Guardian in Solo Q and I swear by it for this situation. Watching killers blatantly ignore me and fail to find the unhooked never fails to amuse me.
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Today I had a game against Michael he didn't camp all game except when he caught me with one gen left. I was like your going to camp me aren't you sure enough I was chilling with Mikey tell the entity came.
I knew it was going to happen because he had no one on death hook and he knew the last gen would be done soon. Most tunneling happens around 2-3 gens I've noticed most killers do it when gens start to pop and then need to pull control back some way. Spreading pressure between 4 different survivors with 2 gens left is like asking survivors to 75% of all of the gens before finishing one.
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I was tunneled last night. It was obvious too. He was in chase with someone and spotted me and broke chase to go for me even though I was quite a bit further away than the Yui he was chasing. It totally backfired. Well, maybe not totally, I did die. The other three managed to pound out 4 gens before the killer got me to death hook though. Then he was stuck with 1 gen left and three survivors who hadn't been hooked. They had no problem getting out
How is tunneling a good strategy again? Just seems prickish. Doesn't seem all that beneficial since it removes a lot of pressure from the gens.
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Tunneling only works if the Killer can tunnel the survivor out quickly and the team doesn't intefere. Otherwise, it's a detriment. Unfortunately, so many newer Killers that they tunnel and camp from the beginning, get success at low MMR, and then get to an MMR where they don't have the chase skills to pull it off. Then they get 1K or 0K after, get frustrated, and talk about how the game is survivor sided when the issue is that tunneling is low skill floor enough at the beginning you can get disproportionate success which falls apart once you hit an MMR where most survivors are at the skill floor where you know the strategies to counter tunneling.
It would necessitate Killer buffs after but the strongest argument, imo, for current DS basekit is that it would discourage tunneling enough that BHVR could balance for a healthier gamestyle.
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