Scroll wheel Hag is the most imbalanced thing in this game
She's not the best Killer but scroll wheel allows mkb players to cut down a chase in half. I just got hit instantly by one. Instantly, cannot do it on controller.There was an early dc, also, so I wasn't going to stay in the match either.
I've played another multiplayer game where scroll wheel can affect gameplay. In that particular game, if all things are equal, the scroll wheel user wins 100 times out of 100. That shouldn't exist in a multiplayer/crossplay game. Scroll wheel Hags shouldn't get free hits either.
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If I could find more than 5 hags a year I would be shocked.
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Hag has a billion counters, to the point where without being imbalanced or bad, she's so tedious to learn to play optimally that few bother to.
Fast teleport is fine.
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Not a lot of people play Hag, that's true. It doesn't matter, though. They shouldn't be able to play the game with a massive advantage compared to the rest of the player base not having access to/not using scroll wheel. This is not the only game I've played where scroll wheel changes the actual gameplay/nature of the game. You go up against enough and in different contexts, it becomes a joke how anti-fair it is.
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I'm talking about scroll wheel. Only a portion of the player base has access to it and not all of them use it. It changes how she plays. That should not exist. You cannot counter a Hag using scroll wheel.
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Scroll wheel is an interesting one on Hag. Through most levels of play, it's wildly effective. And then it becomes super exploitable at the upper bleeding edges i.e. comp.
You end up taking a lot of bad teleports because you lose control over your teleport when you're constantly spinning your wheel. Newer Hags that get used to scroll wheel end up screwing themselves out of downs because healthy players will intentionally step on traps when someone is in trouble. They know the Hag can't stop themselves from teleporting.
Not that there are many (she's a super niche pick), but every comp Hag uses CTRL. And as a Hag enjoyer myself, I never use scroll wheel. You don't lose that much speed if you use CTRL and you gain a lot more control over what teleports you take. It's rarely the difference between a hit vs non-hit with a well-placed trap. If scroll wheel is the difference, the trap placement was bad.
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What's scroll wheel Hag?
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You can still avoid a hit against a scroll wheel. If you can't do it on controller, I see that only as a personal problem.
If you know where the traps are:
- Avoid them.
- Crouch.
- In a chase, avoid this loop.
If you don't know where the traps and you can't instantly go on a opposite direction... Nothing to do but get hit.
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I'm pretty sure you can. A comment above gave an example. Plus if you counter her throughout the game setting off her traps at the right times, she will scarcely benefit from scroll wheel.
As it stands, Hag is a bit of a solo stomper. But against organized teams, or solos who know how Hag works, she's really not uncounterable.
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(Mechanical) Exploits shouldn't be openly explained or discussed in an open forum.
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I'm not talking about playing against her on controller, I'm talking about playing her on controller versus playing her on mkb. She gets hits on mkb that controller players cannot get. That should not exist in a game with different inputs. When you do not have scroll wheel, you know when you go against it. It's that good.
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Okay then how exactly am I supposed to know the problem here if you won't tell me? For all I know, it's a basic game addons that's being complained about
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The only difference between "Scrollweel" and just "Spamming" the teleport button is like what..? 0.1 or even 0.2 maybe?
I don't think it's affecting the main goal of getting insta hit anyway.
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"Hug tech" - is an exploit which is messing with buggy collisions.
Hag is not exploiting anything by using a scrollwheel.
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First of all, hag doesn't have a "scroll wheel" addon. A quick Google search on the fandom wiki helps there.
Second, why would someone need to know how to use some exploit except to use them to get an advantage in a game themselves?
And third, just to satisfy your curiosity (since this isn't as much of a big deal as others), they bind the action button used for teleporting to her traps on mousewheele up or down and then simple scroll when they guess someone is tripping one of her traps and that give them a slightly faster reaction time.
Why mousewheele? Because you can have free scrolling on some PC mise.
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Has it officially been acknowledged as an exploit though ? I've never heard of it being frowned upon by the devs before, but I could be wrong.
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Any one sided advantage can be an exploit of a faulty game mechanic or hardware limitations like here.
Voice chat for example is basically an officially condoned exploit. (But is mostly grounded in the fact their they are unable to do anything against it)
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Fix swf with com first, because they have a massive advantage compared to the rest of the playerbase not having access to /using com.
If you dont fix it, why should you fix hag?
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So you really caused all that headache over something that easy to explain? For one I'm on console so I literally couldn't do this if I tried, Two I dont even play Hag so I'm not going to even consider trying this, and three do you even pay attention to words? I said for all I know it could be addons combos, meaning specific combos of addons to create a new tech not an actual addons. The fact that it took that much effort for a basic question is annoying
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Stop being mean. They just wanted to know what the "exploid" is so she could make her own decision if it's bad or not.
I would not even call it an exploid cause it saves you like 0.1 seconds that's hardly something we need to change what you can set as input for
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Well then we should stop supporting dbd on either PC or console cause they have vastly different inputs and i also heard Player complain that its unfair that it's easier to play hunter or nurse or Trickster on pc
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I don't care if you find it annoying.
I made a general statement that this stuff shouldn't be openly discussed or explained, that's it.
And that you neither are on PC or play hag isn't public knowledge.
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Being able to configure keybinds is not an exploit. If anything, we should be advocating for controllers to receive more improved configuration, sensitivity, and dead zone settings and the option to use mnk on console.
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I don't think i was mean in my first answer. We aren't (or at least shouldn't be) small children here.
And if someone really wants to know such stuff then google is your friend and an open space like a forum really isn't the place to explain any kind of one sided advantages for the public to use, abuse or imitate.
If they want to find from third sources fine. from the game own websites? Not such a good thing.
And yes I know that nowadays the internet is such an open space that it is easy to find such things but still "advertising" them on the own websites isn't good.
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No. Hug tech was never officially acknowledged as an exploit either.
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Oh, so it's your own opinion, not an official statement. In that case, there should not be a problem discussing it on the forums.
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I've played against Nurses and ranged Killers that I thought were mkb but were on controller or console. There is no such confusion when it involves a Hag player using scroll wheel. Nothing is as fluid and responsive as that.
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I mean this isn't the burt0r needs to give you answers forum so all cool you just sounded a bit rough.
In the end this whole discussion is advertising for it cause i didn't knew such thing existed before this post and search it up then
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You can insta teleport scroll wheel or not. Hag is the killer with the most counters and she is also unplayed by most of the community. Her scroll wheel is the least imbalanced thing in this game
Not only that, but how do you know the hag you faced had binded scroll wheel?? Do you see their screen?
Just because a hag teleports quickly doesn't mean that that's what they're using. Again, you can insta teleport with any other key bind
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Just spam the button and I mean spam. Sure scrolewheel is smother but spamming is just as fast to a point you don't really see a difference
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There is no difference, especially in chase where you see that the survivor is about to trigger your trap
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Oh wow my bad for dare asking what someone was talking about. All you had to say was it's an exploit. Also it clearly didn't matter much since you answered the question not even directed to you
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How do I down vote this? Hag protectors unite, the comments make me happy😌
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So, how would you fix it?
Deny PC the ability to rebind keys? Set some keys as not bindable? Some people use the mousewheel for other binds because they don't want to slam on their spacebar. Put a timer on how fast Hag can react to something, which would artificially limit their response time?
I want to know how you intend to fix this issue without outright nerfing PC players or Hag specifically. Or, I guess you could just nerf Hag for being available for PC. Any nerf to Hag would effect them on console as well, though.
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What? Mandy said that the "Hug tech" is a bug exploit.
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This is an issue with any game that goes from being PC available to cross-platform. There are always issues that the console players have. The devs can do their best to accommodate, but at the end of the day, it is a PC game and no change will ever be enough unless it's overpoweringly easy for one side.
Not to mention that you can connect a keyboard and mouse to your console, so I guess that would be the solution
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It's the same as saying "Nurse is much better on PC, let's nerf her on PC to the level of consoles" - How? Messing with her camera sensitivity?
They can't simply do something about it.
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I know. It's why I presented the question.
Most "fixes" people would give to the scenario would unfairly penalize PC players or nerf Hag unnecessarily. It's one thing for people to bring up these kind of issues, it's another to come up with a fix for it. Off the top of my head, the only things that could work would either restrict rebinding for PC or nerf Hag. So, I leave it up to people to decide which of these two things is the better outcome. Personally, I don't like either.
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She said it was a bug. That isn't the same thing as an exploit. Bugs aren't bannable and exploits are bannable. That is how the official game rules work.
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You can consider "Intensional bug use" as an Exploit. If I see a Blight intensionally doing that against me, I can report it.
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Yep. I am very intentionally bringing this exact issue up. I want to see what kind of "fixes" are suggested, and see if they are Hag nerfs or PC nerfs. Neither of those are good options, but my guess is that some people have very specific outcomes they'd like to see.
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I say to anyone that has issues playing on controller to change to mouse and keyboard and not punish an entire platform which are the primary players, but that's just me.
At the end of the day we know that anyone can complain about anything and it doesn't mean its valid for the whole community. I don't like Mr. Whisker but a lot of other players do, a lot hate Nurse but I love running from her, etc. That doesn't mean that either should be nerfed to the ground.
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I would love to know how binding teleport to mouse wheel is superior towards ctrl? Yeah its more convinient (but not in all cases), but i cant imagine how this can be as much helpfull? And how this helps pc players more than console players (or i missed something?)? Console players also can bind their inputs, dont they? If they can, they also can bind action key to more convinient button. And even if they dont, Im not sure their bindings are as much trouble as ctrl is for pc players.
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Hug Tech isn't bannable. You can report it, but that won't do anything. If Hug Tech was an exploit, then a dev would have called it an exploit instead of a bug.
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Bug exploits refer to attacks in the form of programs, blocks of data or sets of commands that take advantage of system vulnerabilities in order to gain profit or to expose any particular system.
From this concept I can clearly tell, that if you know that "Hug tech" is a bug and you intensionaly keep using that against survivors to take an advantage in chases - you're bug exploiting.
Bug exploiting is banable.
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The official game rules has a list of bannable exploits, and Hug Tech isn't on it.
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They refer to "HUG TECH" as a bug exploit! So if you see the "BUG EXPLOIT" is bannable, than hug tech too!
People just don't report it simply because of a mentality of: - "Oh it's so hard to do, you actually need a skill for doing so", but still!
It's a Bug use!
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Again, they call it a bug, and they don't use the word exploit. This conversation isn't going anywhere. I'm done with this.
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EXPLOITS: ABUSING BUGS OR ERRORS IN DESIGN TO GAIN A COMPETITIVE ADVANTAGE
- Advertising exploits
- Exploit bugs, errors in design, or undocumented features to gain access to what otherwise would not be available or to obtain a competitive advantage
Here, take it. And I'm out.
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Yeah well, while your intentions are admirable, this is clearly not an exploit in the technical way. Points can be made if its fair or an unfair advantage to mkb users, but its not "exploiting" faulty code or an unintended loop hole.
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everything is exploit to some people.
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