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Making the game easier for new players(survivors)wont increase the playerbase

Adaez
Adaez Member Posts: 1,243

I get they're trying to make the game easier for newer players but making the role that was already easier even easier just because of the 4/1 ration is not the way.

It will just make veteran players leave.

Playing survivor was always the more chill and easy role compared to playing killer that's much more stressfull and hard.

Playing killer you have to deal with:

Swf on comp(its not that often to go againts a god squad but it still happen)

Subtle cheaters which there is no way to tell if they're hacking compared to how much easier is to spot when a killer is cheating.

The horrible fov(a lot of streamers and content creators complained about having no fov slider and that can cause you to suffer from motion sickness due to the fov being too low,most killers dont want to waste a perk slot just to make the fov what should of been an option).

As killer you have to deal with so many objectives,and survivors only have 1 ,rush gens as fast as possible.

Why make the easier role even easier when rushing gens is already a huge problem since survivors dont have any other objectives they really have to care about?

Dont touch totems,dont touch chests,dont take hits for your teammates,just stick on gens as fast as possible and the killer cant do anything about it unless the survivors make a lot of mistakes or its Nurse,even if the killer plays good.

This is the current meta for survivors,and it works if the killer doesn't tunnel first survivor out of the hook and his chases are not under 30 seconds.

If you really wanna retain your playerbase,is by giving soloq players a way to communicate with each other,give survivors secondary objectives that they are forced to do,because right now there is none and playing survivor is just a genrush speedrun everygame.

Make killer a less stressfull experience by at least giving them a fov slider because no one wants to play killer if they just wanna have fun and have a chill experience(you play survivor for that,even in soloq its a much relaxed experience than playing killer).

This video sums it pretty well.

Comments

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 6,929

    look back throughout the years and tell me Survivor is easier than ever right now

  • ShinobuSK
    ShinobuSK Member Posts: 5,279

    I agree with FOV slider. Thats probably all

  • Rovend
    Rovend Member Posts: 1,064

    You do understand that survivors now fully commit to gens because killers usually goes full 4 slowdown/regressing perks and blow the surv's gens 20 times across the map in a normal game.

    Why would you open a chest? Why would you do totems? Against the usual meta builds like Brine/Overcharge/Eruption/Pain Res if you dont repair some gens early you are throwing the game.

    And with the killers is the same, they too are forced to bring slowdown agains gen-rush SWF.

  • MaTtRoSiTy
    MaTtRoSiTy Member Posts: 2,202

    The problem is for BHVR enticing new players in is good for business and making it easier for them is going to keep them playing for the meantime and in that time they will likely buy DLC and cosmetics etc. The more you play the more flaws you recognise and after thousands of hours some of them become so painful it can be hard to want to keep playing. But by then BHVR already have your money as you probably bought all the DLC and cosmetics for your favourite survivors and killers and if you move on it isn't that much of a loss (though I am sure they would also like to keep you as a customer).

  • xni6_
    xni6_ Member Posts: 505

    they arent catering to new players - thats where killer is actually strong. they cater more to the low-mid average skill level. not good players, but not new ones either

  • Adaez
    Adaez Member Posts: 1,243
    edited November 2022

    I'm not saying why,and that is the problem,survivor dont have to do anything else and killers are forced to bring full regression perks to stand a chance of getting decent pressure before all gens are done .

    How is the killer fault your teammates play bad??

  • Adaez
    Adaez Member Posts: 1,243

    Can you show me footage of those 36 games to see how the survivors you went againts played and what killer you used?

    Just because playing survivor is easier doesn't mean you dont have to get good if you wanna survive

  • Rovend
    Rovend Member Posts: 1,064

    I was referring to the part where you said that survivors just need to stick to gens and ignore everything because they are the easier role and you can chill, etc.

    Survivors are as tied to gens as killers are tied to camp, tunnel and using slowdown because of the current meta.

    Gen slowdown/regressing for killers and Gen rushing for survivors are the most oppresive builds for each side, and because of these two existence, you cant play "nice" in fear to be crushed by the other.

  • solarjin1
    solarjin1 Member Posts: 2,277

    probably 30% with all the dc's. It been plenty of people on these forms who say they never win as survivor anymore in solo q. I wish they just remove the hatch so it can fully tank the numbers at this point.

    Every week on twitch some killer streamer gotta a ridiculous streak going while the top survivor channels can't even get 4 to 5 wins back to back without a swf. The game is balance when u got at least 3 to 4 decent survivors on one team but rarely the case due to abysmal matchmaking.

  • ImNotBobDylan
    ImNotBobDylan Member Posts: 221

    I recorded the streak here:

    That was a while ago, since then I also got 10+ winstreaks with each of these killers: Trickster, Huntress, Trapper, Myers, Ghostface, (Nurse)

    (I'm much better at killer now so I'll probably re-record a new streak at some point. Looking back at this gameplay now is embarassing.)

  • Rootlo
    Rootlo Member Posts: 82

    Ive been playing off and on since release. Last break was 3 years. I hit rank 1 again as survivor. Funnily enough though, i have never hit Rank 1 as killer and last month i did, so id say its easier than ever as killer for sure.

  • Shroompy
    Shroompy Member Posts: 6,929

    yeah killer is absolutely the easiest its ever been

    now before some one reads this and starts foaming from the mouth, I'm not saying killer is easy. I'm just saying if you look back throughout DbD's history, its the easiest its been.

  • Rootlo
    Rootlo Member Posts: 82

    Ive never even hit red ranks as killer before, and now as at red ranks i sometimes double pip. I will say though the hard games as killer are impossible for me to win, but on average I 3-4K. However Survivor is still as easy as it has ever been.

  • HugTheHag
    HugTheHag Member Posts: 3,140

    Hard disagree.

  • fake
    fake Member Posts: 3,250

    I agree with this opinion...

    DbD old man crap, but it used to be much harder. We are in the process of putting some weight on the killer as well, to slowly bring the tilted balance closer to parallel.

    But the weight of SWF has always been the same.

  • Adaez
    Adaez Member Posts: 1,243

    Killer seems easy because survivors usually just chill and dont play as serious,you dont go as often againts swf squads,and even less againts good soloq squads

  • solarjin1
    solarjin1 Member Posts: 2,277

    30% really! They not counting the endless amount of dc'. You can guarantee a good amount of those escapes are through the hatch too. Always thought it was silly to give one survivor a win after the team been demolish. Everyday on these forms some poor guy is crying how they never win anymore in solo q. Meanwhile on twitch every WEEK some killer channel got a crazy streak going.

  • JustAnotherNewbie
    JustAnotherNewbie Member Posts: 1,941

    They can just slug, don't even need to hook honestly and the game can end much faster that way despite having to wait to bleed out (this is where the Mori rework would be of some use)

  • Pulsar
    Pulsar Member Posts: 21,038

    Solo Q is currently the hardest role and people need to accept that.