Body Blocking and Hostage Taking Question
I recently had a game where a fellow survivor body blocked me against a wall so that I couldn't move for more than five minutes, taking my character hostage and ultimately getting me killed once we both had AFK crows and Myers walked over and got us both.
I reported this to Behavior with an in-game griefing report and then sent in a support ticket with video of the incident, since the website about reporting says "*Body blocking that results in holding the game hostage is reportable and falls under the Griefing category (reporting via in-game and support ticket required)." Being pinned to a wall for five minutes by someone else seems like "taking the game hostage" via body blocking, and seems like it would count as griefing under this definition.
I received a reply to my support ticket that says "because body blocking is not considered to be a punishable offence, it means no action will be taken against this player" and includes a link to this page (https://support.deadbydaylight.com/hc/en-us/articles/4408586353940-Invalid-report-reasons), where it again specifies "*Body blocking that results in holding the game hostage is reportable and falls under the Griefing category (reporting via in-game and support ticket required)."
I am curious as what constitutes holding a game hostage if not this. What kind of griefing is reportable? A little clarification from mods would be helpful. I don't want to be sending in unactionable reports or going out of my way to document stuff that isn't reportable, but this seems pretty cut and dry as a case of hostage taking via bodyblocking to me.
Personally, when this kind of thing happens I just roll my eyes and move on, but I love this game and feel like reporting griefers is ultimately a good thing for the community. I'm just looking for clarification here. Is it ever worth reporting this kind of griefing? If not, then what kind of griefing should be reported?
Thanks, and see you in the fog.
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Hello, I am sorry that you've had this reply.
Can you give me more information on your support ticket please - ticket number, name of person who resolved this, thank you?
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If they purposely body-blocked you to get you killed... It's a 100% reportable offence.
I've no idea why you've had such reply, since you brought a video with a ticket.
Usually developers taking action.
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Hi Mandy. Thank you! My ticket number was 1156066 and it looks like Noah replied.
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Hey mandy i hope you reply to this because i've been trying to figure this out for years :D
Is hiding AND NOT DOING GENS just hiding bannable?
As i see it that wouldn't be considered holding the game hostage because the killer can find you, right?
And please dont send me a screenshot from the rules becuase i've read them and i've seen tons of other people ask this but never really gotten an answer. So i would prefer a YES or a NO, Thanks!
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It is from last I have heard. Let's say there's two survivors left with 3 gens left but not a 3 Gen lock.....the Killer does thier rounds patroling and none of the gens are being worked on because the Survivors are locker hoping or plain hiding to avoid afk crows. That is taking the game hostage because the Survivors are actively not progressing the game and the game can't end because the Killer can't find the Survivors.
Now I'm not sure on the amount of time that needs to pass to constitute as holding hostage but that is considered as such
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Thank you for the information.
This is 100% reportable and against game rules, just want to confirm that so no confusion arises.
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ooh really? but i mean its not really holding the game hostage thats the thing you can find the survivors... But is it really enough to be bannable i mean shouldnt people be able to play how they want?
I get body blocking as a killer because there is nothing you can do as a survivor but a killer can def find the survivors
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Thank you for the reply and for clarifying, I really appreciate it!
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Let's put my example on a Mother's Dwelling map. That map is so large that even if the Killer left his patrol to look they may still not find the Survivors, and if the Survivors refuse to do the Gens then it falls onto the Survivors to progress the game.
Remember the killer has two objectives at this point. Stop Gen repairs and Kill Survivors while the Survivors is to repair thier Gens
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You can find the survs, but let's be honest, if al you are doing is avoiding detection, that may be the easiest thing to do in the game. The game was not designed as a hide and seek simulator, it assumes players are going to try to progress the game (even if it means getting killed, ultimately). As a killer, finding two survs who are only trying to hide is a painful and near futile endeavor. On some maps it's near impossible, unless the survs really screw up.
Should it be bannable? Not permanently, but maybe. It certainly not on the same level as physically blocking someone into a corner.
The better solution is to cap game length at 30 minutes, maybe force EGC at 28 minutes regardless. Realistically, there's no good reason any game should progress beyond 30 minutes anyway. That would also head off any new hostage taking efforts by hackers.
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I think Mandy or at least another Mod has confirmed if survivors are doing nothing but hiding and not doing Gens for a extended period of time that is hostage taking because of the fact they are refusing to do thier objective and not progressing the game. On maps like Mother's Dwelling the Survivors could hide indefinitely because the Killer won't leave the patrol of their gens to search I'm dead zones.
I do like your idea of automatic EGC if progress of Gens is idle for too long. ATM the match will automatically end after 2 hrs when the game server shuts down
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It's been mentioned before that if survivors just outright refuse to do gens and hide, then that's reportable as it's holding the game hostage.
Obviously if they're just hiding temporarily because the killer is nearby or they're afraid of BBQ, that's perfectly fine, but we've all had games where the last two survivors just give up and hide and -will- not do gens ever again. That's against the rules.
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I thought to combat the hackers they already trimmed max game time to 1 hour from 2? To me, that's still 30 minutes more than is reasonably necessary.
I can't recall any game I've been in that went beyond 20-25 minutes (granted there haven't been many) where actual gameplay hadn't ceased and been replaced by some sort of nonsense.
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Yea listen im not pro hiding :D but as you said i dont really think it should be bannable becuase in theory its possible to find them. EGC at 30 min is whatever sometimes games last 40 minutes+ (WITH ACTIVE GAMEPLAY from both survivors and killers) But yea its probably one of the better solutions
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