squeaky voice:"bhvr listens to their own community"
I heard that from some people who agree then please give me your chance to tell me moments when bhvr listened to the community please bring me the situations where that happened, maybe I missed something in the 4 years and I have every stream Followed by bhvr, but I don't get to the things where bhvr is forced to do it (because the whole community is upset about it and a ######### storm has arisen) bhvr has no choice because the discussions and the whole ######### storm won't stop until bhvr does what everyone is upset about and demanding
here are just few examples, there are many, many more where bhvr did NOT listen to the community:
Billy, the community: "Billy is very balanced killer and is completely fine only the addons for faster reloading should be changed", also bhvr: RIP Billy
Nurse, the community: Nurse is completely broken and needs to be changed: also bhvr: "let's nerf blast mine and make MoM so that it's useless and realize that that was really stupid of us and make it back to what it was before", has anyone asked or complained about this from the community? no ? but bhvr did it anyway because they listen to the community (ironic)
Another example where bhvr has to do it because everyone is constantly complaining, I bet everything that bhvr never planned to release the icons for the solo q, they did it just because ? right because of the endless discussions and complaints, because of the ######### storm no more and no less
well, if the community wants something, they all have to stick together and constantly complain to get what they want, if that "they listen to their community", then if a husband has to give half his fortune from the court, yes also just someone who listens to his wife and therefore gives her what she wants (not because the court decided so (ironic)) of course not! the person is forced to do it and what i saw from bhvr the years: ######### storm = "ok we have to do something", just a few people complaining about it = "oh how sweet they are complaining about it, we just ignore it that's what we do best" Please bring me evidence and convince me otherwise that I'm wrong
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In no particular order-
- Multiple Nurse Nerfs
- Undying Nerf
- Ruin rework/nerf
- Wraith Buff and subsequent nerf
- Minor Trapper QoL (he needs more love tho)
- Freddy Nerf
- Perk Overhaul is a result of the community of constantly complaining about the stale meta
- Basekit Unbreakable a result from tunneling/camping complaints
- Reassurance introduced to help against camping, though it was a sleazy tactic to put it behind a paywall
- Whatever the perk is called that lets Killers destroy Boon totems so they can't be re-blessed (should have been a killer base-kit feature even if it cost the killer more time to perform, but not a huge deal)
- RPD rework due to all the complaints about it from both sides.
- Nerf to whatever the perk is called that allowed the survivor to wiggle free from the killer faster, especially if they fall from a great height. This perk was also a cause for complaints on maps like RPD.
- The nerf to Pig being able to afk in front of one of her game stands and forces survivors to just die without actually playing
- The nerf to basement by making the basement stairs wider so survivors have a chance to escape a camping killer
- Upcoming action icons- Just because you haven't heard anything doesn't mean they aren't working on it. They were testing it recently.
- Mori Nerf
- Key/hatch nerf
- Blood Web nerf- things don't cost as much as they used to, though I wish they would introduce better ways to fill each web faster. It's still tedious to click and hold each node.
- Noed nerf and revealing it's location by aura is a result of complaints from survivors
- Iron Will nerfed due to complaints from killers
- Spirit nerfed multiple times due to survivor complaints
- Decisive Strike was over nerfed due to killer complaints
- Snowmen Nerf and don't grant a third health state to survivors like they did last year
That's all I can think of from the top of my head. They do listen, they just don't move as fast as we want them to.
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Mark my words. Nurse will never be nerfed. Never.
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There's a great list up there which already goes over a lot of the things that BHVR have changed based on community feedback, so I'll take the other arm of the possible answers to your post and point out that just because BHVR listen doesn't mean they're obligated to act on every passing whim the community starts shaking around like a dog with a chew toy.
They're constantly listening. There's a feedback section on this forum, there are pretty regular satisfaction surveys, there are fairly regular QnA streams... if you want to criticise BHVR for something, a far more fair criticism is that they've historically been slow to change things, not that they ignore the community.
Oh, and just to add a few because I remember them personally-- a lot of the big 6.1 midchapter, especially the perk grind elements, were changed from their initial PTB because of community feedback. Every single killer released this year also had popular community feedback changes implemented between PTB and live, with the only real exception being the Knight kind of? But to be fair they were clearly listening there too.
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BHVR listens, they just tend to make the game worse with how they choose to address issues.
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The community has been wrong about Billy for years, he was overperforming and his nerfs made him unappealing to players who like an easy game. You are perpetuating a false story of bHVR nerfing a perfectly fine killer for no reason.
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